OT New Orleans
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Re: OT New Orleans
Would you being a true liberal stayed to die of thrust?
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Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
> dying of thirst were lying?
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Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
> dying of thirst were lying?
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Re: OT New Orleans
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:45:58 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>news:ed96i1tle7q5kk3pbmpb22j9etm5vbcsel@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:09:15 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
>>>culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the need
>>>for
>>>building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent evacuation
>>>planning,
>>>and the lack of motivation for federal response.
>>
>> Building the levees to protect against a cat 5 hurricane are a state
>> responsibility. I believe the Federal government has been more than
>> generous in providing assistance in this regard. New Orleans is not,
>> and should not be, a federal responsibility. In any case, the levees
>> will not protect against the damage caused by a cat5 hurricane. The
>> city would have flooded from the rain, even had the levees held.
>
>Never said building the levees were a federal responsibility, please re-read
>my post.
You wrote:
"The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the
need for building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent
evacuation planning, and the lack of motivation for federal response."
Your post could be reasonably read to imply that fed was responsible.
I did not (and still do not) understand the intent of your post given
that the only named government was the federal government.
>> The Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water to the Superdome
>> the day the hurricane hit and seven more trailers the very next day.
>
>According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
>dying of thirst were lying?
I don't understand the meaning of this either. Normally I would take
this as sarcasm, but perhaps you meant something else. You really
should state what you mean to avoid misunderstandings.
The 'refugees' fled their homes for the Superdome on Monday morning.
I pointed out that the Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water
on that very same Monday. If anybody said they were dying of thirst on
Monday, then yes, I would say they're were lying or else they had a
hell of head start.
Of course, running seven trailers of food and water into the face of a
cat 4 hurricane may not seem like much to some, but I was sure
impressed. It certainly was much more than the locals managed to
accomplish.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>news:ed96i1tle7q5kk3pbmpb22j9etm5vbcsel@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:09:15 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
>>>culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the need
>>>for
>>>building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent evacuation
>>>planning,
>>>and the lack of motivation for federal response.
>>
>> Building the levees to protect against a cat 5 hurricane are a state
>> responsibility. I believe the Federal government has been more than
>> generous in providing assistance in this regard. New Orleans is not,
>> and should not be, a federal responsibility. In any case, the levees
>> will not protect against the damage caused by a cat5 hurricane. The
>> city would have flooded from the rain, even had the levees held.
>
>Never said building the levees were a federal responsibility, please re-read
>my post.
You wrote:
"The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the
need for building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent
evacuation planning, and the lack of motivation for federal response."
Your post could be reasonably read to imply that fed was responsible.
I did not (and still do not) understand the intent of your post given
that the only named government was the federal government.
>> The Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water to the Superdome
>> the day the hurricane hit and seven more trailers the very next day.
>
>According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
>dying of thirst were lying?
I don't understand the meaning of this either. Normally I would take
this as sarcasm, but perhaps you meant something else. You really
should state what you mean to avoid misunderstandings.
The 'refugees' fled their homes for the Superdome on Monday morning.
I pointed out that the Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water
on that very same Monday. If anybody said they were dying of thirst on
Monday, then yes, I would say they're were lying or else they had a
hell of head start.
Of course, running seven trailers of food and water into the face of a
cat 4 hurricane may not seem like much to some, but I was sure
impressed. It certainly was much more than the locals managed to
accomplish.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
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Re: OT New Orleans
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:45:58 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>news:ed96i1tle7q5kk3pbmpb22j9etm5vbcsel@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:09:15 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
>>>culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the need
>>>for
>>>building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent evacuation
>>>planning,
>>>and the lack of motivation for federal response.
>>
>> Building the levees to protect against a cat 5 hurricane are a state
>> responsibility. I believe the Federal government has been more than
>> generous in providing assistance in this regard. New Orleans is not,
>> and should not be, a federal responsibility. In any case, the levees
>> will not protect against the damage caused by a cat5 hurricane. The
>> city would have flooded from the rain, even had the levees held.
>
>Never said building the levees were a federal responsibility, please re-read
>my post.
You wrote:
"The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the
need for building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent
evacuation planning, and the lack of motivation for federal response."
Your post could be reasonably read to imply that fed was responsible.
I did not (and still do not) understand the intent of your post given
that the only named government was the federal government.
>> The Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water to the Superdome
>> the day the hurricane hit and seven more trailers the very next day.
>
>According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
>dying of thirst were lying?
I don't understand the meaning of this either. Normally I would take
this as sarcasm, but perhaps you meant something else. You really
should state what you mean to avoid misunderstandings.
The 'refugees' fled their homes for the Superdome on Monday morning.
I pointed out that the Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water
on that very same Monday. If anybody said they were dying of thirst on
Monday, then yes, I would say they're were lying or else they had a
hell of head start.
Of course, running seven trailers of food and water into the face of a
cat 4 hurricane may not seem like much to some, but I was sure
impressed. It certainly was much more than the locals managed to
accomplish.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>news:ed96i1tle7q5kk3pbmpb22j9etm5vbcsel@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:09:15 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
>>>culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the need
>>>for
>>>building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent evacuation
>>>planning,
>>>and the lack of motivation for federal response.
>>
>> Building the levees to protect against a cat 5 hurricane are a state
>> responsibility. I believe the Federal government has been more than
>> generous in providing assistance in this regard. New Orleans is not,
>> and should not be, a federal responsibility. In any case, the levees
>> will not protect against the damage caused by a cat5 hurricane. The
>> city would have flooded from the rain, even had the levees held.
>
>Never said building the levees were a federal responsibility, please re-read
>my post.
You wrote:
"The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the
need for building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent
evacuation planning, and the lack of motivation for federal response."
Your post could be reasonably read to imply that fed was responsible.
I did not (and still do not) understand the intent of your post given
that the only named government was the federal government.
>> The Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water to the Superdome
>> the day the hurricane hit and seven more trailers the very next day.
>
>According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
>dying of thirst were lying?
I don't understand the meaning of this either. Normally I would take
this as sarcasm, but perhaps you meant something else. You really
should state what you mean to avoid misunderstandings.
The 'refugees' fled their homes for the Superdome on Monday morning.
I pointed out that the Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water
on that very same Monday. If anybody said they were dying of thirst on
Monday, then yes, I would say they're were lying or else they had a
hell of head start.
Of course, running seven trailers of food and water into the face of a
cat 4 hurricane may not seem like much to some, but I was sure
impressed. It certainly was much more than the locals managed to
accomplish.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
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Re: OT New Orleans
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:45:58 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>news:ed96i1tle7q5kk3pbmpb22j9etm5vbcsel@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:09:15 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
>>>culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the need
>>>for
>>>building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent evacuation
>>>planning,
>>>and the lack of motivation for federal response.
>>
>> Building the levees to protect against a cat 5 hurricane are a state
>> responsibility. I believe the Federal government has been more than
>> generous in providing assistance in this regard. New Orleans is not,
>> and should not be, a federal responsibility. In any case, the levees
>> will not protect against the damage caused by a cat5 hurricane. The
>> city would have flooded from the rain, even had the levees held.
>
>Never said building the levees were a federal responsibility, please re-read
>my post.
You wrote:
"The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the
need for building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent
evacuation planning, and the lack of motivation for federal response."
Your post could be reasonably read to imply that fed was responsible.
I did not (and still do not) understand the intent of your post given
that the only named government was the federal government.
>> The Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water to the Superdome
>> the day the hurricane hit and seven more trailers the very next day.
>
>According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
>dying of thirst were lying?
I don't understand the meaning of this either. Normally I would take
this as sarcasm, but perhaps you meant something else. You really
should state what you mean to avoid misunderstandings.
The 'refugees' fled their homes for the Superdome on Monday morning.
I pointed out that the Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water
on that very same Monday. If anybody said they were dying of thirst on
Monday, then yes, I would say they're were lying or else they had a
hell of head start.
Of course, running seven trailers of food and water into the face of a
cat 4 hurricane may not seem like much to some, but I was sure
impressed. It certainly was much more than the locals managed to
accomplish.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>news:ed96i1tle7q5kk3pbmpb22j9etm5vbcsel@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:09:15 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
>>>culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the need
>>>for
>>>building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent evacuation
>>>planning,
>>>and the lack of motivation for federal response.
>>
>> Building the levees to protect against a cat 5 hurricane are a state
>> responsibility. I believe the Federal government has been more than
>> generous in providing assistance in this regard. New Orleans is not,
>> and should not be, a federal responsibility. In any case, the levees
>> will not protect against the damage caused by a cat5 hurricane. The
>> city would have flooded from the rain, even had the levees held.
>
>Never said building the levees were a federal responsibility, please re-read
>my post.
You wrote:
"The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the
need for building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent
evacuation planning, and the lack of motivation for federal response."
Your post could be reasonably read to imply that fed was responsible.
I did not (and still do not) understand the intent of your post given
that the only named government was the federal government.
>> The Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water to the Superdome
>> the day the hurricane hit and seven more trailers the very next day.
>
>According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
>dying of thirst were lying?
I don't understand the meaning of this either. Normally I would take
this as sarcasm, but perhaps you meant something else. You really
should state what you mean to avoid misunderstandings.
The 'refugees' fled their homes for the Superdome on Monday morning.
I pointed out that the Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water
on that very same Monday. If anybody said they were dying of thirst on
Monday, then yes, I would say they're were lying or else they had a
hell of head start.
Of course, running seven trailers of food and water into the face of a
cat 4 hurricane may not seem like much to some, but I was sure
impressed. It certainly was much more than the locals managed to
accomplish.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
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Re: OT New Orleans
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:45:58 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>news:ed96i1tle7q5kk3pbmpb22j9etm5vbcsel@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:09:15 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
>>>culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the need
>>>for
>>>building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent evacuation
>>>planning,
>>>and the lack of motivation for federal response.
>>
>> Building the levees to protect against a cat 5 hurricane are a state
>> responsibility. I believe the Federal government has been more than
>> generous in providing assistance in this regard. New Orleans is not,
>> and should not be, a federal responsibility. In any case, the levees
>> will not protect against the damage caused by a cat5 hurricane. The
>> city would have flooded from the rain, even had the levees held.
>
>Never said building the levees were a federal responsibility, please re-read
>my post.
You wrote:
"The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the
need for building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent
evacuation planning, and the lack of motivation for federal response."
Your post could be reasonably read to imply that fed was responsible.
I did not (and still do not) understand the intent of your post given
that the only named government was the federal government.
>> The Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water to the Superdome
>> the day the hurricane hit and seven more trailers the very next day.
>
>According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
>dying of thirst were lying?
I don't understand the meaning of this either. Normally I would take
this as sarcasm, but perhaps you meant something else. You really
should state what you mean to avoid misunderstandings.
The 'refugees' fled their homes for the Superdome on Monday morning.
I pointed out that the Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water
on that very same Monday. If anybody said they were dying of thirst on
Monday, then yes, I would say they're were lying or else they had a
hell of head start.
Of course, running seven trailers of food and water into the face of a
cat 4 hurricane may not seem like much to some, but I was sure
impressed. It certainly was much more than the locals managed to
accomplish.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>news:ed96i1tle7q5kk3pbmpb22j9etm5vbcsel@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:09:15 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
>>>culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the need
>>>for
>>>building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent evacuation
>>>planning,
>>>and the lack of motivation for federal response.
>>
>> Building the levees to protect against a cat 5 hurricane are a state
>> responsibility. I believe the Federal government has been more than
>> generous in providing assistance in this regard. New Orleans is not,
>> and should not be, a federal responsibility. In any case, the levees
>> will not protect against the damage caused by a cat5 hurricane. The
>> city would have flooded from the rain, even had the levees held.
>
>Never said building the levees were a federal responsibility, please re-read
>my post.
You wrote:
"The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the
need for building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent
evacuation planning, and the lack of motivation for federal response."
Your post could be reasonably read to imply that fed was responsible.
I did not (and still do not) understand the intent of your post given
that the only named government was the federal government.
>> The Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water to the Superdome
>> the day the hurricane hit and seven more trailers the very next day.
>
>According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
>dying of thirst were lying?
I don't understand the meaning of this either. Normally I would take
this as sarcasm, but perhaps you meant something else. You really
should state what you mean to avoid misunderstandings.
The 'refugees' fled their homes for the Superdome on Monday morning.
I pointed out that the Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water
on that very same Monday. If anybody said they were dying of thirst on
Monday, then yes, I would say they're were lying or else they had a
hell of head start.
Of course, running seven trailers of food and water into the face of a
cat 4 hurricane may not seem like much to some, but I was sure
impressed. It certainly was much more than the locals managed to
accomplish.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
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Re: OT New Orleans
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
news:jop6i19bn372iitpvpvrprckrhuevvblmo@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:45:58 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>>news:ed96i1tle7q5kk3pbmpb22j9etm5vbcsel@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:09:15 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
>>>>culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the need
>>>>for
>>>>building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent evacuation
>>>>planning,
>>>>and the lack of motivation for federal response.
>>>
>>> Building the levees to protect against a cat 5 hurricane are a state
>>> responsibility. I believe the Federal government has been more than
>>> generous in providing assistance in this regard. New Orleans is not,
>>> and should not be, a federal responsibility. In any case, the levees
>>> will not protect against the damage caused by a cat5 hurricane. The
>>> city would have flooded from the rain, even had the levees held.
>>
>>Never said building the levees were a federal responsibility, please
>>re-read
>>my post.
>
> You wrote:
>
> "The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
> culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the
> need for building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent
> evacuation planning, and the lack of motivation for federal response."
>
> Your post could be reasonably read to imply that fed was responsible.
> I did not (and still do not) understand the intent of your post given
> that the only named government was the federal government.
>
Then I clarify: Failures of every level of government. Local to recognize
the what needed to be done to protect the citizens living there, local and
state for competent evacuation planning, and lacking motivation for federal
response when it was clear a strong federal response was needed but not
delivered.
>>> The Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water to the Superdome
>>> the day the hurricane hit and seven more trailers the very next day.
>>
>>According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
>>dying of thirst were lying?
>
> I don't understand the meaning of this either. Normally I would take
> this as sarcasm, but perhaps you meant something else. You really
> should state what you mean to avoid misunderstandings.
>
> The 'refugees' fled their homes for the Superdome on Monday morning.
> I pointed out that the Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water
> on that very same Monday. If anybody said they were dying of thirst on
> Monday, then yes, I would say they're were lying or else they had a
> hell of head start.
>
> Of course, running seven trailers of food and water into the face of a
> cat 4 hurricane may not seem like much to some, but I was sure
> impressed. It certainly was much more than the locals managed to
> accomplish.
You are still basing this assertion on a statement from a spokesman for the
Dept of Homeland Security. I would be interested to see a confirmation of
the assertion, can you cite one? If it is true, the supplies did seem to run
out rather quickly and slow to be replenished.
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Re: OT New Orleans
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
news:jop6i19bn372iitpvpvrprckrhuevvblmo@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:45:58 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>>news:ed96i1tle7q5kk3pbmpb22j9etm5vbcsel@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:09:15 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
>>>>culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the need
>>>>for
>>>>building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent evacuation
>>>>planning,
>>>>and the lack of motivation for federal response.
>>>
>>> Building the levees to protect against a cat 5 hurricane are a state
>>> responsibility. I believe the Federal government has been more than
>>> generous in providing assistance in this regard. New Orleans is not,
>>> and should not be, a federal responsibility. In any case, the levees
>>> will not protect against the damage caused by a cat5 hurricane. The
>>> city would have flooded from the rain, even had the levees held.
>>
>>Never said building the levees were a federal responsibility, please
>>re-read
>>my post.
>
> You wrote:
>
> "The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
> culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the
> need for building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent
> evacuation planning, and the lack of motivation for federal response."
>
> Your post could be reasonably read to imply that fed was responsible.
> I did not (and still do not) understand the intent of your post given
> that the only named government was the federal government.
>
Then I clarify: Failures of every level of government. Local to recognize
the what needed to be done to protect the citizens living there, local and
state for competent evacuation planning, and lacking motivation for federal
response when it was clear a strong federal response was needed but not
delivered.
>>> The Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water to the Superdome
>>> the day the hurricane hit and seven more trailers the very next day.
>>
>>According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
>>dying of thirst were lying?
>
> I don't understand the meaning of this either. Normally I would take
> this as sarcasm, but perhaps you meant something else. You really
> should state what you mean to avoid misunderstandings.
>
> The 'refugees' fled their homes for the Superdome on Monday morning.
> I pointed out that the Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water
> on that very same Monday. If anybody said they were dying of thirst on
> Monday, then yes, I would say they're were lying or else they had a
> hell of head start.
>
> Of course, running seven trailers of food and water into the face of a
> cat 4 hurricane may not seem like much to some, but I was sure
> impressed. It certainly was much more than the locals managed to
> accomplish.
You are still basing this assertion on a statement from a spokesman for the
Dept of Homeland Security. I would be interested to see a confirmation of
the assertion, can you cite one? If it is true, the supplies did seem to run
out rather quickly and slow to be replenished.
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Re: OT New Orleans
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
news:jop6i19bn372iitpvpvrprckrhuevvblmo@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:45:58 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>>news:ed96i1tle7q5kk3pbmpb22j9etm5vbcsel@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:09:15 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
>>>>culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the need
>>>>for
>>>>building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent evacuation
>>>>planning,
>>>>and the lack of motivation for federal response.
>>>
>>> Building the levees to protect against a cat 5 hurricane are a state
>>> responsibility. I believe the Federal government has been more than
>>> generous in providing assistance in this regard. New Orleans is not,
>>> and should not be, a federal responsibility. In any case, the levees
>>> will not protect against the damage caused by a cat5 hurricane. The
>>> city would have flooded from the rain, even had the levees held.
>>
>>Never said building the levees were a federal responsibility, please
>>re-read
>>my post.
>
> You wrote:
>
> "The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
> culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the
> need for building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent
> evacuation planning, and the lack of motivation for federal response."
>
> Your post could be reasonably read to imply that fed was responsible.
> I did not (and still do not) understand the intent of your post given
> that the only named government was the federal government.
>
Then I clarify: Failures of every level of government. Local to recognize
the what needed to be done to protect the citizens living there, local and
state for competent evacuation planning, and lacking motivation for federal
response when it was clear a strong federal response was needed but not
delivered.
>>> The Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water to the Superdome
>>> the day the hurricane hit and seven more trailers the very next day.
>>
>>According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
>>dying of thirst were lying?
>
> I don't understand the meaning of this either. Normally I would take
> this as sarcasm, but perhaps you meant something else. You really
> should state what you mean to avoid misunderstandings.
>
> The 'refugees' fled their homes for the Superdome on Monday morning.
> I pointed out that the Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water
> on that very same Monday. If anybody said they were dying of thirst on
> Monday, then yes, I would say they're were lying or else they had a
> hell of head start.
>
> Of course, running seven trailers of food and water into the face of a
> cat 4 hurricane may not seem like much to some, but I was sure
> impressed. It certainly was much more than the locals managed to
> accomplish.
You are still basing this assertion on a statement from a spokesman for the
Dept of Homeland Security. I would be interested to see a confirmation of
the assertion, can you cite one? If it is true, the supplies did seem to run
out rather quickly and slow to be replenished.
Guest
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Re: OT New Orleans
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:45:58 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>>news:ed96i1tle7q5kk3pbmpb22j9etm5vbcsel@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:09:15 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
>>>>culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the need
>>>>for
>>>>building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent evacuation
>>>>planning,
>>>>and the lack of motivation for federal response.
>>>
>>> Building the levees to protect against a cat 5 hurricane are a state
>>> responsibility. I believe the Federal government has been more than
>>> generous in providing assistance in this regard. New Orleans is not,
>>> and should not be, a federal responsibility. In any case, the levees
>>> will not protect against the damage caused by a cat5 hurricane. The
>>> city would have flooded from the rain, even had the levees held.
>>
>>Never said building the levees were a federal responsibility, please
>>re-read
>>my post.
>
> You wrote:
>
> "The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
> culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the
> need for building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent
> evacuation planning, and the lack of motivation for federal response."
>
> Your post could be reasonably read to imply that fed was responsible.
> I did not (and still do not) understand the intent of your post given
> that the only named government was the federal government.
>
Then I clarify: Failures of every level of government. Local to recognize
the what needed to be done to protect the citizens living there, local and
state for competent evacuation planning, and lacking motivation for federal
response when it was clear a strong federal response was needed but not
delivered.
>>> The Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water to the Superdome
>>> the day the hurricane hit and seven more trailers the very next day.
>>
>>According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
>>dying of thirst were lying?
>
> I don't understand the meaning of this either. Normally I would take
> this as sarcasm, but perhaps you meant something else. You really
> should state what you mean to avoid misunderstandings.
>
> The 'refugees' fled their homes for the Superdome on Monday morning.
> I pointed out that the Feds delivered seven trailers of food and water
> on that very same Monday. If anybody said they were dying of thirst on
> Monday, then yes, I would say they're were lying or else they had a
> hell of head start.
>
> Of course, running seven trailers of food and water into the face of a
> cat 4 hurricane may not seem like much to some, but I was sure
> impressed. It certainly was much more than the locals managed to
> accomplish.
You are still basing this assertion on a statement from a spokesman for the
Dept of Homeland Security. I would be interested to see a confirmation of
the assertion, can you cite one? If it is true, the supplies did seem to run
out rather quickly and slow to be replenished.
Guest
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Re: OT New Orleans
Of course not, if I had the means to leave....
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Would you being a true liberal stayed to die of thrust?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
>> dying of thirst were lying?
>
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43235640.B06BBD56@***.net...
> Would you being a true liberal stayed to die of thrust?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> According to a DHS spokesman, I suppose the people there who were there
>> dying of thirst were lying?
>
