OT New Orleans
09-10-2005, 10:53 AM
#21
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Re: OT New Orleans
Its all over our news, but focusing on the immediate sensationalism as is
the norm for news channels. It seems the head of FEMA has been sacked, but
with the pics I'm seeing, it looks like a really hard job to evac that many
people and keep back that amount of water. But, I'm 6K miles away and have
never been there, hence the questions ! You guys know me well enough to know
I'm not trolling.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> I will now duck and run for cover as things might get ugly around here!
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:KtAUe.106041$G8.65843@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in
> > not
> > rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe
as
> > a
> > result of building below the water table ?
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> >
>
>
the norm for news channels. It seems the head of FEMA has been sacked, but
with the pics I'm seeing, it looks like a really hard job to evac that many
people and keep back that amount of water. But, I'm 6K miles away and have
never been there, hence the questions ! You guys know me well enough to know
I'm not trolling.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> I will now duck and run for cover as things might get ugly around here!
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:KtAUe.106041$G8.65843@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in
> > not
> > rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe
as
> > a
> > result of building below the water table ?
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> >
>
>
09-10-2005, 12:01 PM
#22
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Re: OT New Orleans
There were failures at every level of government, probably most IMO from the
Lousiana state government and its lack of leadership. I find it interesting
that Governor Blanco is hiding from the national media. The local government
simply wasn't able to function after the hurricane hit due to the
infrastucture damage but that is a result of poor planning. But the federal
govenerment has its share of responsibility too...compare Federal response
to last year's Florida hurricanes. Of course last year was an election year
and the First Brother is governor there...
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:KtAUe.106041$G8.65843@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in
> not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as
> a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>
Lousiana state government and its lack of leadership. I find it interesting
that Governor Blanco is hiding from the national media. The local government
simply wasn't able to function after the hurricane hit due to the
infrastucture damage but that is a result of poor planning. But the federal
govenerment has its share of responsibility too...compare Federal response
to last year's Florida hurricanes. Of course last year was an election year
and the First Brother is governor there...
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:KtAUe.106041$G8.65843@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in
> not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as
> a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>
09-10-2005, 12:01 PM
#23
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Re: OT New Orleans
There were failures at every level of government, probably most IMO from the
Lousiana state government and its lack of leadership. I find it interesting
that Governor Blanco is hiding from the national media. The local government
simply wasn't able to function after the hurricane hit due to the
infrastucture damage but that is a result of poor planning. But the federal
govenerment has its share of responsibility too...compare Federal response
to last year's Florida hurricanes. Of course last year was an election year
and the First Brother is governor there...
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:KtAUe.106041$G8.65843@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in
> not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as
> a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>
Lousiana state government and its lack of leadership. I find it interesting
that Governor Blanco is hiding from the national media. The local government
simply wasn't able to function after the hurricane hit due to the
infrastucture damage but that is a result of poor planning. But the federal
govenerment has its share of responsibility too...compare Federal response
to last year's Florida hurricanes. Of course last year was an election year
and the First Brother is governor there...
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:KtAUe.106041$G8.65843@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in
> not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as
> a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>
09-10-2005, 12:01 PM
#24
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Re: OT New Orleans
There were failures at every level of government, probably most IMO from the
Lousiana state government and its lack of leadership. I find it interesting
that Governor Blanco is hiding from the national media. The local government
simply wasn't able to function after the hurricane hit due to the
infrastucture damage but that is a result of poor planning. But the federal
govenerment has its share of responsibility too...compare Federal response
to last year's Florida hurricanes. Of course last year was an election year
and the First Brother is governor there...
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:KtAUe.106041$G8.65843@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in
> not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as
> a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>
Lousiana state government and its lack of leadership. I find it interesting
that Governor Blanco is hiding from the national media. The local government
simply wasn't able to function after the hurricane hit due to the
infrastucture damage but that is a result of poor planning. But the federal
govenerment has its share of responsibility too...compare Federal response
to last year's Florida hurricanes. Of course last year was an election year
and the First Brother is governor there...
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:KtAUe.106041$G8.65843@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in
> not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as
> a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>
09-10-2005, 12:01 PM
#25
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Re: OT New Orleans
There were failures at every level of government, probably most IMO from the
Lousiana state government and its lack of leadership. I find it interesting
that Governor Blanco is hiding from the national media. The local government
simply wasn't able to function after the hurricane hit due to the
infrastucture damage but that is a result of poor planning. But the federal
govenerment has its share of responsibility too...compare Federal response
to last year's Florida hurricanes. Of course last year was an election year
and the First Brother is governor there...
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:KtAUe.106041$G8.65843@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in
> not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as
> a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>
Lousiana state government and its lack of leadership. I find it interesting
that Governor Blanco is hiding from the national media. The local government
simply wasn't able to function after the hurricane hit due to the
infrastucture damage but that is a result of poor planning. But the federal
govenerment has its share of responsibility too...compare Federal response
to last year's Florida hurricanes. Of course last year was an election year
and the First Brother is governor there...
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:KtAUe.106041$G8.65843@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in
> not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as
> a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>
09-10-2005, 12:08 PM
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Re: OT New Orleans
Dave Milne proclaimed:
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
Over 10 years ago, Scientific American ran a feature article on that
area being a disaster just waiting to happen. The natural barrier
islands that helped protect the mainland were being washed away. The
city was pumping water out from under the city, which caused the
marshy soil to sink below the levels of the surrounding rivers and
lakes. The greenies wouldn't let the Corps of Engineers redredge the
rivers and canals. The same greenies wouldn't let the Corps of
Engineers rebuild and strengthen the levies. The government cut the
budget for even maintaining the dikes and levies. The article did
miss-call the source of the flooding, however if the article had
been correct it would be even worse than it is. Then you have to
ask how come all those special terrain vehicles, large rescue and
support ships, and military personnel weren't placed on standby
with over two days advance warning that a Category 4 to 5 storm was
drawing a bead on the gulf coast--even if the target wasn't known
that accurately, whatever ended up being a target would be reasonably
expected to be a disaster with that big a storm. And I guess if you
appoint your old drinking buddy as an emergency coordinator, you might
want to make sure he could handle the job... and with over two days
warning it wouldn't be that difficult to see if he was preparing for
the worst or sitting on his ***.
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
Over 10 years ago, Scientific American ran a feature article on that
area being a disaster just waiting to happen. The natural barrier
islands that helped protect the mainland were being washed away. The
city was pumping water out from under the city, which caused the
marshy soil to sink below the levels of the surrounding rivers and
lakes. The greenies wouldn't let the Corps of Engineers redredge the
rivers and canals. The same greenies wouldn't let the Corps of
Engineers rebuild and strengthen the levies. The government cut the
budget for even maintaining the dikes and levies. The article did
miss-call the source of the flooding, however if the article had
been correct it would be even worse than it is. Then you have to
ask how come all those special terrain vehicles, large rescue and
support ships, and military personnel weren't placed on standby
with over two days advance warning that a Category 4 to 5 storm was
drawing a bead on the gulf coast--even if the target wasn't known
that accurately, whatever ended up being a target would be reasonably
expected to be a disaster with that big a storm. And I guess if you
appoint your old drinking buddy as an emergency coordinator, you might
want to make sure he could handle the job... and with over two days
warning it wouldn't be that difficult to see if he was preparing for
the worst or sitting on his ***.
09-10-2005, 12:08 PM
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Re: OT New Orleans
Dave Milne proclaimed:
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
Over 10 years ago, Scientific American ran a feature article on that
area being a disaster just waiting to happen. The natural barrier
islands that helped protect the mainland were being washed away. The
city was pumping water out from under the city, which caused the
marshy soil to sink below the levels of the surrounding rivers and
lakes. The greenies wouldn't let the Corps of Engineers redredge the
rivers and canals. The same greenies wouldn't let the Corps of
Engineers rebuild and strengthen the levies. The government cut the
budget for even maintaining the dikes and levies. The article did
miss-call the source of the flooding, however if the article had
been correct it would be even worse than it is. Then you have to
ask how come all those special terrain vehicles, large rescue and
support ships, and military personnel weren't placed on standby
with over two days advance warning that a Category 4 to 5 storm was
drawing a bead on the gulf coast--even if the target wasn't known
that accurately, whatever ended up being a target would be reasonably
expected to be a disaster with that big a storm. And I guess if you
appoint your old drinking buddy as an emergency coordinator, you might
want to make sure he could handle the job... and with over two days
warning it wouldn't be that difficult to see if he was preparing for
the worst or sitting on his ***.
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
Over 10 years ago, Scientific American ran a feature article on that
area being a disaster just waiting to happen. The natural barrier
islands that helped protect the mainland were being washed away. The
city was pumping water out from under the city, which caused the
marshy soil to sink below the levels of the surrounding rivers and
lakes. The greenies wouldn't let the Corps of Engineers redredge the
rivers and canals. The same greenies wouldn't let the Corps of
Engineers rebuild and strengthen the levies. The government cut the
budget for even maintaining the dikes and levies. The article did
miss-call the source of the flooding, however if the article had
been correct it would be even worse than it is. Then you have to
ask how come all those special terrain vehicles, large rescue and
support ships, and military personnel weren't placed on standby
with over two days advance warning that a Category 4 to 5 storm was
drawing a bead on the gulf coast--even if the target wasn't known
that accurately, whatever ended up being a target would be reasonably
expected to be a disaster with that big a storm. And I guess if you
appoint your old drinking buddy as an emergency coordinator, you might
want to make sure he could handle the job... and with over two days
warning it wouldn't be that difficult to see if he was preparing for
the worst or sitting on his ***.
09-10-2005, 12:08 PM
#28
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Re: OT New Orleans
Dave Milne proclaimed:
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
Over 10 years ago, Scientific American ran a feature article on that
area being a disaster just waiting to happen. The natural barrier
islands that helped protect the mainland were being washed away. The
city was pumping water out from under the city, which caused the
marshy soil to sink below the levels of the surrounding rivers and
lakes. The greenies wouldn't let the Corps of Engineers redredge the
rivers and canals. The same greenies wouldn't let the Corps of
Engineers rebuild and strengthen the levies. The government cut the
budget for even maintaining the dikes and levies. The article did
miss-call the source of the flooding, however if the article had
been correct it would be even worse than it is. Then you have to
ask how come all those special terrain vehicles, large rescue and
support ships, and military personnel weren't placed on standby
with over two days advance warning that a Category 4 to 5 storm was
drawing a bead on the gulf coast--even if the target wasn't known
that accurately, whatever ended up being a target would be reasonably
expected to be a disaster with that big a storm. And I guess if you
appoint your old drinking buddy as an emergency coordinator, you might
want to make sure he could handle the job... and with over two days
warning it wouldn't be that difficult to see if he was preparing for
the worst or sitting on his ***.
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
Over 10 years ago, Scientific American ran a feature article on that
area being a disaster just waiting to happen. The natural barrier
islands that helped protect the mainland were being washed away. The
city was pumping water out from under the city, which caused the
marshy soil to sink below the levels of the surrounding rivers and
lakes. The greenies wouldn't let the Corps of Engineers redredge the
rivers and canals. The same greenies wouldn't let the Corps of
Engineers rebuild and strengthen the levies. The government cut the
budget for even maintaining the dikes and levies. The article did
miss-call the source of the flooding, however if the article had
been correct it would be even worse than it is. Then you have to
ask how come all those special terrain vehicles, large rescue and
support ships, and military personnel weren't placed on standby
with over two days advance warning that a Category 4 to 5 storm was
drawing a bead on the gulf coast--even if the target wasn't known
that accurately, whatever ended up being a target would be reasonably
expected to be a disaster with that big a storm. And I guess if you
appoint your old drinking buddy as an emergency coordinator, you might
want to make sure he could handle the job... and with over two days
warning it wouldn't be that difficult to see if he was preparing for
the worst or sitting on his ***.
09-10-2005, 12:08 PM
#29
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Re: OT New Orleans
Dave Milne proclaimed:
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
Over 10 years ago, Scientific American ran a feature article on that
area being a disaster just waiting to happen. The natural barrier
islands that helped protect the mainland were being washed away. The
city was pumping water out from under the city, which caused the
marshy soil to sink below the levels of the surrounding rivers and
lakes. The greenies wouldn't let the Corps of Engineers redredge the
rivers and canals. The same greenies wouldn't let the Corps of
Engineers rebuild and strengthen the levies. The government cut the
budget for even maintaining the dikes and levies. The article did
miss-call the source of the flooding, however if the article had
been correct it would be even worse than it is. Then you have to
ask how come all those special terrain vehicles, large rescue and
support ships, and military personnel weren't placed on standby
with over two days advance warning that a Category 4 to 5 storm was
drawing a bead on the gulf coast--even if the target wasn't known
that accurately, whatever ended up being a target would be reasonably
expected to be a disaster with that big a storm. And I guess if you
appoint your old drinking buddy as an emergency coordinator, you might
want to make sure he could handle the job... and with over two days
warning it wouldn't be that difficult to see if he was preparing for
the worst or sitting on his ***.
> So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in not
> rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe as a
> result of building below the water table ?
>
Over 10 years ago, Scientific American ran a feature article on that
area being a disaster just waiting to happen. The natural barrier
islands that helped protect the mainland were being washed away. The
city was pumping water out from under the city, which caused the
marshy soil to sink below the levels of the surrounding rivers and
lakes. The greenies wouldn't let the Corps of Engineers redredge the
rivers and canals. The same greenies wouldn't let the Corps of
Engineers rebuild and strengthen the levies. The government cut the
budget for even maintaining the dikes and levies. The article did
miss-call the source of the flooding, however if the article had
been correct it would be even worse than it is. Then you have to
ask how come all those special terrain vehicles, large rescue and
support ships, and military personnel weren't placed on standby
with over two days advance warning that a Category 4 to 5 storm was
drawing a bead on the gulf coast--even if the target wasn't known
that accurately, whatever ended up being a target would be reasonably
expected to be a disaster with that big a storm. And I guess if you
appoint your old drinking buddy as an emergency coordinator, you might
want to make sure he could handle the job... and with over two days
warning it wouldn't be that difficult to see if he was preparing for
the worst or sitting on his ***.
09-10-2005, 12:09 PM
#30
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Re: OT New Orleans
Brown won't be sacked, you're talking about an administration that won't
fire anyone no matter how inept, as long as they remain loyal and follow the
official line. After the revelations that he padded his resume on top of his
inaction, he was just relieved of his responsibility to oversee the FEMA
operations as a PR recovery move, but remains head of FEMA as of now.
The failures of government in this disaster aren't recent, they are a
culmination of the last 30 years or so, inasmuch as recognizing the need for
building a levee to withstand a Cat 5 storm, competent evacuation planning,
and the lack of motivation for federal response.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:jrCUe.106109$G8.25523@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Its all over our news, but focusing on the immediate sensationalism as is
> the norm for news channels. It seems the head of FEMA has been sacked, but
> with the pics I'm seeing, it looks like a really hard job to evac that
> many
> people and keep back that amount of water. But, I'm 6K miles away and have
> never been there, hence the questions ! You guys know me well enough to
> know
> I'm not trolling.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>> I will now duck and run for cover as things might get ugly around here!
>
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:KtAUe.106041$G8.65843@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> > So what's the crack on New Orleans ? Is it an administration screwup in
>> > not
>> > rescuing the people more efficiently or just an inevitable catastrophe
> as
>> > a
>> > result of building below the water table ?
>> >
>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>