"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote
> -jc wrote:
> >
> > ... and I've been riding for 20+ years and have never died nor had
anyone
> > that I now first hand die from a motorcycle crash.
> >
> > Another data point.
> >
> Jeez, I know a bunch of them, they were Vietnam Vets, though, maybe
> they had a death wish.

Maybe I only know low risk people. I have known plenty that have crashed
but none that were seriously injured or died.


--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.

 

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote
> -jc wrote:
> >
> > ... and I've been riding for 20+ years and have never died nor had
anyone
> > that I now first hand die from a motorcycle crash.
> >
> > Another data point.
> >
> Jeez, I know a bunch of them, they were Vietnam Vets, though, maybe
> they had a death wish.

Maybe I only know low risk people. I have known plenty that have crashed
but none that were seriously injured or died.


--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.

 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
> -jc wrote:
> > "Mike Romain" wrote
> > > The last time I rode, I had to lay the bike down twice coming up Yonge
> > > St. in Toronto Canada!
> >
> > Not to second guess you Mike, but if you had time to lay it down and
avoid
> > the collision, it's highly likely that you had time to brake and
maneuver
> > and avoid the crash all together.
>
> You have never driven on wet greasy streets much eh?

Plenty. Even ice and snow.

> When the brakes are locked up and some fool is 10' in front of you, you
> have two choices. Lay the bike down or eat metal.

I don't know the particulars but maybe you shouldn't have been 10' behind
this fool.

> The second one was close enough that I stopped myself from going under
> him with my foot on his door.

In that one, it's likely that you would have been able to bring your bike to
a stop rubber side down with no contact. Maybe not ...

All else fails, see my sig. ;-)


--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.

 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
> -jc wrote:
> > "Mike Romain" wrote
> > > The last time I rode, I had to lay the bike down twice coming up Yonge
> > > St. in Toronto Canada!
> >
> > Not to second guess you Mike, but if you had time to lay it down and
avoid
> > the collision, it's highly likely that you had time to brake and
maneuver
> > and avoid the crash all together.
>
> You have never driven on wet greasy streets much eh?

Plenty. Even ice and snow.

> When the brakes are locked up and some fool is 10' in front of you, you
> have two choices. Lay the bike down or eat metal.

I don't know the particulars but maybe you shouldn't have been 10' behind
this fool.

> The second one was close enough that I stopped myself from going under
> him with my foot on his door.

In that one, it's likely that you would have been able to bring your bike to
a stop rubber side down with no contact. Maybe not ...

All else fails, see my sig. ;-)


--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.

 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
> -jc wrote:
> > "Mike Romain" wrote
> > > The last time I rode, I had to lay the bike down twice coming up Yonge
> > > St. in Toronto Canada!
> >
> > Not to second guess you Mike, but if you had time to lay it down and
avoid
> > the collision, it's highly likely that you had time to brake and
maneuver
> > and avoid the crash all together.
>
> You have never driven on wet greasy streets much eh?

Plenty. Even ice and snow.

> When the brakes are locked up and some fool is 10' in front of you, you
> have two choices. Lay the bike down or eat metal.

I don't know the particulars but maybe you shouldn't have been 10' behind
this fool.

> The second one was close enough that I stopped myself from going under
> him with my foot on his door.

In that one, it's likely that you would have been able to bring your bike to
a stop rubber side down with no contact. Maybe not ...

All else fails, see my sig. ;-)


--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.

 

I gotta run the numbers, but I am filling up twice a week at roughly $35 per
load, or $70 per week. I do that 4.3 times per month, that's $301 a month
for gas. If I can cut that number in half, I'll save $150. The savings can
easily make the payment, IF the savings is really half. If I trim my fuel
costs by only a third, then the savings is $90, and the payment I am looking
at is only about $115. For the $20 extra bucks the bike will cost, I'll save
an unknown number of hours of commute.

I would prefer my Jeep as well, but the Jeep demands Premium fuel (because
of mods), and the goal is to save time and money, not have more fun. I'll
save time because the last 10 miles of my commute takes more time that the
previous 30 miles because of standing still on the freeway - a bike can roll
on through this mess much faster than my Jeep - and the Jeep sucks up the
gas much faster than the BMW does, and goes much slower - standing still
notwithstanding. The bottom line is, the Jeep is a giant leap backwards
relative to the goal.



"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
news:ejpf40t49qv2ubppofaq9t477pmngoelh2@4ax.com...
> Hope Mrs CRWLR doesn't have a ------ sheet cause the math just doesn't
work out.
>
> Assuming $2/gallon on gas and a 50 mile round trip per day commute the
monthly
> gas cost 25 mpg is $80. If you bought some gas sipping scooter that gets
65 mpg
> the monthly gas cost is 30.77. You'll save about $50.
>
> Now the payment on $7,500 for 60 months @ 6% will run you $145. So you'll
still
> have to come up with about $100 extra per month. And that doesn't include
> insurance, tax, license, etc. And those big bikes cost as much as a car,
no
> where near $7,500.
>
> I rode street bikes when I was a kid and impervious to damage. ;-). How I
lived
> to adulthood mystifies me. They are called donor-cycles for a reason.
Now I
> ride around in my Jeep, top and doors off and it is better IMHO than any
> motorcycle. I have all the fresh air I can possibly breath, plus I have
airbags
> and seat belts just incase something were to happen.
>
> Dean
> and if bikes weren"t so #%^&&~~ dangerous I'd still have one, but I want
to live
> past adulthood and into old age.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 15:14:59 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >My commute is such that I could do it in half the time on a bike, but I
need
> >more to get Mrs. CRWLR onboard. She is not liking the idea very much.
> >
> >I want to sell her on the idea that I will save enough on gas for the BMW
to
> >finance the payment on the bike. I am talking about a Real Bike here, not
> >any sissy scooter. I have my eye on a big-bore, but have not settled on a
> >particular make or model. I pretended for a long time that I would want a
> >Goldwing or equivelent, but that plan supposes that Mrs. CRWLR would be a
> >willing passenger. It seems that she won't even go into the garage if the
> >bike is out there, let alone slide it between her knees. I have now
> >broadened my horizons to include the cruiser class (Harley and clones) as
> >well as the touring class (Goldwing and clones). I have no interest in
the
> >crotch rockets.
> >
> >My off topic question is, what sort of mileage do you guys with the
Harley
> >type and the Goldwing type bikes get? I am hoping the number is in the
35+
> >mpg range, but my BMW delivers 25 mpg, so I need a pretty high
differential
> >in bike mileage vs. car mileage to make my sales pitch work.
>

 

I gotta run the numbers, but I am filling up twice a week at roughly $35 per
load, or $70 per week. I do that 4.3 times per month, that's $301 a month
for gas. If I can cut that number in half, I'll save $150. The savings can
easily make the payment, IF the savings is really half. If I trim my fuel
costs by only a third, then the savings is $90, and the payment I am looking
at is only about $115. For the $20 extra bucks the bike will cost, I'll save
an unknown number of hours of commute.

I would prefer my Jeep as well, but the Jeep demands Premium fuel (because
of mods), and the goal is to save time and money, not have more fun. I'll
save time because the last 10 miles of my commute takes more time that the
previous 30 miles because of standing still on the freeway - a bike can roll
on through this mess much faster than my Jeep - and the Jeep sucks up the
gas much faster than the BMW does, and goes much slower - standing still
notwithstanding. The bottom line is, the Jeep is a giant leap backwards
relative to the goal.



"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
news:ejpf40t49qv2ubppofaq9t477pmngoelh2@4ax.com...
> Hope Mrs CRWLR doesn't have a ------ sheet cause the math just doesn't
work out.
>
> Assuming $2/gallon on gas and a 50 mile round trip per day commute the
monthly
> gas cost 25 mpg is $80. If you bought some gas sipping scooter that gets
65 mpg
> the monthly gas cost is 30.77. You'll save about $50.
>
> Now the payment on $7,500 for 60 months @ 6% will run you $145. So you'll
still
> have to come up with about $100 extra per month. And that doesn't include
> insurance, tax, license, etc. And those big bikes cost as much as a car,
no
> where near $7,500.
>
> I rode street bikes when I was a kid and impervious to damage. ;-). How I
lived
> to adulthood mystifies me. They are called donor-cycles for a reason.
Now I
> ride around in my Jeep, top and doors off and it is better IMHO than any
> motorcycle. I have all the fresh air I can possibly breath, plus I have
airbags
> and seat belts just incase something were to happen.
>
> Dean
> and if bikes weren"t so #%^&&~~ dangerous I'd still have one, but I want
to live
> past adulthood and into old age.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 15:14:59 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >My commute is such that I could do it in half the time on a bike, but I
need
> >more to get Mrs. CRWLR onboard. She is not liking the idea very much.
> >
> >I want to sell her on the idea that I will save enough on gas for the BMW
to
> >finance the payment on the bike. I am talking about a Real Bike here, not
> >any sissy scooter. I have my eye on a big-bore, but have not settled on a
> >particular make or model. I pretended for a long time that I would want a
> >Goldwing or equivelent, but that plan supposes that Mrs. CRWLR would be a
> >willing passenger. It seems that she won't even go into the garage if the
> >bike is out there, let alone slide it between her knees. I have now
> >broadened my horizons to include the cruiser class (Harley and clones) as
> >well as the touring class (Goldwing and clones). I have no interest in
the
> >crotch rockets.
> >
> >My off topic question is, what sort of mileage do you guys with the
Harley
> >type and the Goldwing type bikes get? I am hoping the number is in the
35+
> >mpg range, but my BMW delivers 25 mpg, so I need a pretty high
differential
> >in bike mileage vs. car mileage to make my sales pitch work.
>

 

I gotta run the numbers, but I am filling up twice a week at roughly $35 per
load, or $70 per week. I do that 4.3 times per month, that's $301 a month
for gas. If I can cut that number in half, I'll save $150. The savings can
easily make the payment, IF the savings is really half. If I trim my fuel
costs by only a third, then the savings is $90, and the payment I am looking
at is only about $115. For the $20 extra bucks the bike will cost, I'll save
an unknown number of hours of commute.

I would prefer my Jeep as well, but the Jeep demands Premium fuel (because
of mods), and the goal is to save time and money, not have more fun. I'll
save time because the last 10 miles of my commute takes more time that the
previous 30 miles because of standing still on the freeway - a bike can roll
on through this mess much faster than my Jeep - and the Jeep sucks up the
gas much faster than the BMW does, and goes much slower - standing still
notwithstanding. The bottom line is, the Jeep is a giant leap backwards
relative to the goal.



"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
news:ejpf40t49qv2ubppofaq9t477pmngoelh2@4ax.com...
> Hope Mrs CRWLR doesn't have a ------ sheet cause the math just doesn't
work out.
>
> Assuming $2/gallon on gas and a 50 mile round trip per day commute the
monthly
> gas cost 25 mpg is $80. If you bought some gas sipping scooter that gets
65 mpg
> the monthly gas cost is 30.77. You'll save about $50.
>
> Now the payment on $7,500 for 60 months @ 6% will run you $145. So you'll
still
> have to come up with about $100 extra per month. And that doesn't include
> insurance, tax, license, etc. And those big bikes cost as much as a car,
no
> where near $7,500.
>
> I rode street bikes when I was a kid and impervious to damage. ;-). How I
lived
> to adulthood mystifies me. They are called donor-cycles for a reason.
Now I
> ride around in my Jeep, top and doors off and it is better IMHO than any
> motorcycle. I have all the fresh air I can possibly breath, plus I have
airbags
> and seat belts just incase something were to happen.
>
> Dean
> and if bikes weren"t so #%^&&~~ dangerous I'd still have one, but I want
to live
> past adulthood and into old age.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 15:14:59 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >My commute is such that I could do it in half the time on a bike, but I
need
> >more to get Mrs. CRWLR onboard. She is not liking the idea very much.
> >
> >I want to sell her on the idea that I will save enough on gas for the BMW
to
> >finance the payment on the bike. I am talking about a Real Bike here, not
> >any sissy scooter. I have my eye on a big-bore, but have not settled on a
> >particular make or model. I pretended for a long time that I would want a
> >Goldwing or equivelent, but that plan supposes that Mrs. CRWLR would be a
> >willing passenger. It seems that she won't even go into the garage if the
> >bike is out there, let alone slide it between her knees. I have now
> >broadened my horizons to include the cruiser class (Harley and clones) as
> >well as the touring class (Goldwing and clones). I have no interest in
the
> >crotch rockets.
> >
> >My off topic question is, what sort of mileage do you guys with the
Harley
> >type and the Goldwing type bikes get? I am hoping the number is in the
35+
> >mpg range, but my BMW delivers 25 mpg, so I need a pretty high
differential
> >in bike mileage vs. car mileage to make my sales pitch work.
>

 

I will, thanks.

Is there a BMW bike group? I found the BMW car group.

I also found a late model 1200R(?) for $8700. What do these bikes normally
go for?




"nds" <neil.scott@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:3LCdnSZN0Od7c9rd4p2dnA@adelphia.com...
> I average 45+ on my BMW K1200, did a bit better on the K1100. Suggest you
> post to some of the bike news groups.
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:104fe5edfh17e5a@corp.supernews.com...
> > My commute is such that I could do it in half the time on a bike, but I
> need
> > more to get Mrs. CRWLR onboard. She is not liking the idea very much.
> >
> > I want to sell her on the idea that I will save enough on gas for the
BMW
> to
> > finance the payment on the bike. I am talking about a Real Bike here,
not
> > any sissy scooter. I have my eye on a big-bore, but have not settled on
a
> > particular make or model. I pretended for a long time that I would want
a
> > Goldwing or equivelent, but that plan supposes that Mrs. CRWLR would be
a
> > willing passenger. It seems that she won't even go into the garage if
the
> > bike is out there, let alone slide it between her knees. I have now
> > broadened my horizons to include the cruiser class (Harley and clones)
as
> > well as the touring class (Goldwing and clones). I have no interest in
the
> > crotch rockets.
> >
> > My off topic question is, what sort of mileage do you guys with the
Harley
> > type and the Goldwing type bikes get? I am hoping the number is in the
35+
> > mpg range, but my BMW delivers 25 mpg, so I need a pretty high
> differential
> > in bike mileage vs. car mileage to make my sales pitch work.
> >
>
>

 

I will, thanks.

Is there a BMW bike group? I found the BMW car group.

I also found a late model 1200R(?) for $8700. What do these bikes normally
go for?




"nds" <neil.scott@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:3LCdnSZN0Od7c9rd4p2dnA@adelphia.com...
> I average 45+ on my BMW K1200, did a bit better on the K1100. Suggest you
> post to some of the bike news groups.
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:104fe5edfh17e5a@corp.supernews.com...
> > My commute is such that I could do it in half the time on a bike, but I
> need
> > more to get Mrs. CRWLR onboard. She is not liking the idea very much.
> >
> > I want to sell her on the idea that I will save enough on gas for the
BMW
> to
> > finance the payment on the bike. I am talking about a Real Bike here,
not
> > any sissy scooter. I have my eye on a big-bore, but have not settled on
a
> > particular make or model. I pretended for a long time that I would want
a
> > Goldwing or equivelent, but that plan supposes that Mrs. CRWLR would be
a
> > willing passenger. It seems that she won't even go into the garage if
the
> > bike is out there, let alone slide it between her knees. I have now
> > broadened my horizons to include the cruiser class (Harley and clones)
as
> > well as the touring class (Goldwing and clones). I have no interest in
the
> > crotch rockets.
> >
> > My off topic question is, what sort of mileage do you guys with the
Harley
> > type and the Goldwing type bikes get? I am hoping the number is in the
35+
> > mpg range, but my BMW delivers 25 mpg, so I need a pretty high
> differential
> > in bike mileage vs. car mileage to make my sales pitch work.
> >
>
>