Billy Ray

Yeah, only problem is the Jarheads might not appreciate an overflight.
probably have to skirt around a bit.


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43796348.1ADCDDFB@***.net...
> Yup, as the crow flies. I was a surveyor in the ARMY.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> 28 miles (45 km) (24 nautical miles)
>>
>> Initial heading from San Clemente to Temecula:
>> east (82.1 degrees)
>> Initial heading from Temecula to San Clemente:
>> west (262.3 degrees)
>> San Clemente, California, US
>>
>> County: Orange County
>> Location: 33:26:50N 117:36:40W
>> Elevation: 160 feet
>>
>> Temecula, California, US
>>
>> County: Riverside County
>> Location: 33:30:10N 117:07:44W
>> Elevation: 1006 feet

Billy Ray

Yeah, only problem is the Jarheads might not appreciate an overflight.
probably have to skirt around a bit.


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43796348.1ADCDDFB@***.net...
> Yup, as the crow flies. I was a surveyor in the ARMY.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> 28 miles (45 km) (24 nautical miles)
>>
>> Initial heading from San Clemente to Temecula:
>> east (82.1 degrees)
>> Initial heading from Temecula to San Clemente:
>> west (262.3 degrees)
>> San Clemente, California, US
>>
>> County: Orange County
>> Location: 33:26:50N 117:36:40W
>> Elevation: 160 feet
>>
>> Temecula, California, US
>>
>> County: Riverside County
>> Location: 33:30:10N 117:07:44W
>> Elevation: 1006 feet

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Bill,
I've snuck on to Camp Pendleton many times form Fallbrook's De Luz
Rd. It's beautiful with lakes and streams, lots of Jeeping. Something we
don't see in my desert like area, about fifteen miles south in Vista.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Yeah, only problem is the Jarheads might not appreciate an overflight.
> probably have to skirt around a bit.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Bill,
I've snuck on to Camp Pendleton many times form Fallbrook's De Luz
Rd. It's beautiful with lakes and streams, lots of Jeeping. Something we
don't see in my desert like area, about fifteen miles south in Vista.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Yeah, only problem is the Jarheads might not appreciate an overflight.
> probably have to skirt around a bit.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Bill,
I've snuck on to Camp Pendleton many times form Fallbrook's De Luz
Rd. It's beautiful with lakes and streams, lots of Jeeping. Something we
don't see in my desert like area, about fifteen miles south in Vista.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Yeah, only problem is the Jarheads might not appreciate an overflight.
> probably have to skirt around a bit.

Jeff Strickland

I've maintained for well over a decade that when the Big One comes,
everything east of the San Andreas Fault is gonna drop off into the
Atlantic.




"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:1d27b$437952a8$4831b233$32584@FUSE.NET...
> If the New Madrid Fault is the site of the BIG one I might have beachfront
> property. The question is.... will it be the new east or west coast....
> or both?
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:NZ6dnawfnvGNpeTeRVn-gA@ez2.net...
>> Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach
>> front property if things go reasonably well ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43777FE2.488B9C77@sympatico.ca...
>>> So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
>>> to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in
>>>> my
>>>> backyard, literally.
>>>>
>>>> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
>>>> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
>>>> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go
>>>> all of
>>>> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not
>>>> very
>>>> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that
>>>> gets
>>>> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell
>>>> to
>>>> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly
>>>> a
>>>> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and
>>>> back
>>>> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people
>>>> don't
>>>> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in
>>>> San
>>>> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go
>>>> 40
>>>> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
>>>> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening
>>>> and
>>>> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is
>>>> a
>>>> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on
>>>> the
>>>> mountain range.
>>>>
>>>> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15
>>>> along
>>>> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very
>>>> long
>>>> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and
>>>> when it
>>>> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
>>>> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel
>>>> is
>>>> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of
>>>> the
>>>> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
>>>>
>>>> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem
>>>> to
>>>> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I
>>>> think
>>>> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with
>>>> money.
>>>> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
>>>>
>>>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
>>>> > Bill,
>>>> >
>>>> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long
>>>> > highway
>>>> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>>>> >
>>
>
>
>

Jeff Strickland

I've maintained for well over a decade that when the Big One comes,
everything east of the San Andreas Fault is gonna drop off into the
Atlantic.




"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:1d27b$437952a8$4831b233$32584@FUSE.NET...
> If the New Madrid Fault is the site of the BIG one I might have beachfront
> property. The question is.... will it be the new east or west coast....
> or both?
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:NZ6dnawfnvGNpeTeRVn-gA@ez2.net...
>> Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach
>> front property if things go reasonably well ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43777FE2.488B9C77@sympatico.ca...
>>> So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
>>> to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in
>>>> my
>>>> backyard, literally.
>>>>
>>>> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
>>>> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
>>>> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go
>>>> all of
>>>> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not
>>>> very
>>>> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that
>>>> gets
>>>> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell
>>>> to
>>>> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly
>>>> a
>>>> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and
>>>> back
>>>> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people
>>>> don't
>>>> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in
>>>> San
>>>> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go
>>>> 40
>>>> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
>>>> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening
>>>> and
>>>> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is
>>>> a
>>>> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on
>>>> the
>>>> mountain range.
>>>>
>>>> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15
>>>> along
>>>> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very
>>>> long
>>>> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and
>>>> when it
>>>> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
>>>> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel
>>>> is
>>>> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of
>>>> the
>>>> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
>>>>
>>>> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem
>>>> to
>>>> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I
>>>> think
>>>> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with
>>>> money.
>>>> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
>>>>
>>>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
>>>> > Bill,
>>>> >
>>>> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long
>>>> > highway
>>>> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>>>> >
>>
>
>
>

Jeff Strickland

I've maintained for well over a decade that when the Big One comes,
everything east of the San Andreas Fault is gonna drop off into the
Atlantic.




"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:1d27b$437952a8$4831b233$32584@FUSE.NET...
> If the New Madrid Fault is the site of the BIG one I might have beachfront
> property. The question is.... will it be the new east or west coast....
> or both?
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:NZ6dnawfnvGNpeTeRVn-gA@ez2.net...
>> Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach
>> front property if things go reasonably well ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43777FE2.488B9C77@sympatico.ca...
>>> So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
>>> to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in
>>>> my
>>>> backyard, literally.
>>>>
>>>> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
>>>> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
>>>> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go
>>>> all of
>>>> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not
>>>> very
>>>> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that
>>>> gets
>>>> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell
>>>> to
>>>> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly
>>>> a
>>>> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and
>>>> back
>>>> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people
>>>> don't
>>>> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in
>>>> San
>>>> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go
>>>> 40
>>>> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
>>>> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening
>>>> and
>>>> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is
>>>> a
>>>> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on
>>>> the
>>>> mountain range.
>>>>
>>>> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15
>>>> along
>>>> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very
>>>> long
>>>> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and
>>>> when it
>>>> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
>>>> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel
>>>> is
>>>> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of
>>>> the
>>>> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
>>>>
>>>> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem
>>>> to
>>>> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I
>>>> think
>>>> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with
>>>> money.
>>>> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
>>>>
>>>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
>>>> > Bill,
>>>> >
>>>> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long
>>>> > highway
>>>> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>>>> >
>>
>
>
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

LOL

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> I've maintained for well over a decade that when the Big One comes,
> everything east of the San Andreas Fault is gonna drop off into the
> Atlantic.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

LOL

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> I've maintained for well over a decade that when the Big One comes,
> everything east of the San Andreas Fault is gonna drop off into the
> Atlantic.