L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Your way, 51 miles:
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z=
My scenic way, 40.68 plus 17.50 miles:
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...nore&2s=CA&2z=
Plus:
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z=
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> No it doesn't. The road connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. If
> one wants the shortest route from San Clemente to Temecula, the Ortega
> Highway is probably not the best choice. I haven't measured it, but my gut
> instinct is that Hiway 76 through O'side to the I-15 then go north would be
> shorter than the Ortega, but this is beside the point, Captain.
>
> The Ortega connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. Period.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

You're right in the middle of the faults:
http://www.----------.com/temp/corona.jpg Just not our San Andreas.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach front
> property if things go reasonably well ...

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

You're right in the middle of the faults:
http://www.----------.com/temp/corona.jpg Just not our San Andreas.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach front
> property if things go reasonably well ...

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

You're right in the middle of the faults:
http://www.----------.com/temp/corona.jpg Just not our San Andreas.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach front
> property if things go reasonably well ...

Billy Ray

28 miles (45 km) (24 nautical miles)


Initial heading from San Clemente to Temecula:
east (82.1 degrees)
Initial heading from Temecula to San Clemente:
west (262.3 degrees)
San Clemente, California, US


County: Orange County
Location: 33:26:50N 117:36:40W
Elevation: 160 feet

Temecula, California, US

County: Riverside County
Location: 33:30:10N 117:07:44W
Elevation: 1006 feet

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43793E18.EFAA580A@***.net...
> Your way, 51 miles:
> http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z=
> My scenic way, 40.68 plus 17.50 miles:
> http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...nore&2s=CA&2z=
> Plus:
> http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z=
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> No it doesn't. The road connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. If
>> one wants the shortest route from San Clemente to Temecula, the Ortega
>> Highway is probably not the best choice. I haven't measured it, but my
>> gut
>> instinct is that Hiway 76 through O'side to the I-15 then go north would
>> be
>> shorter than the Ortega, but this is beside the point, Captain.
>>
>> The Ortega connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. Period.

Billy Ray

28 miles (45 km) (24 nautical miles)


Initial heading from San Clemente to Temecula:
east (82.1 degrees)
Initial heading from Temecula to San Clemente:
west (262.3 degrees)
San Clemente, California, US


County: Orange County
Location: 33:26:50N 117:36:40W
Elevation: 160 feet

Temecula, California, US

County: Riverside County
Location: 33:30:10N 117:07:44W
Elevation: 1006 feet

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43793E18.EFAA580A@***.net...
> Your way, 51 miles:
> http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z=
> My scenic way, 40.68 plus 17.50 miles:
> http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...nore&2s=CA&2z=
> Plus:
> http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z=
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> No it doesn't. The road connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. If
>> one wants the shortest route from San Clemente to Temecula, the Ortega
>> Highway is probably not the best choice. I haven't measured it, but my
>> gut
>> instinct is that Hiway 76 through O'side to the I-15 then go north would
>> be
>> shorter than the Ortega, but this is beside the point, Captain.
>>
>> The Ortega connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. Period.

Billy Ray

28 miles (45 km) (24 nautical miles)


Initial heading from San Clemente to Temecula:
east (82.1 degrees)
Initial heading from Temecula to San Clemente:
west (262.3 degrees)
San Clemente, California, US


County: Orange County
Location: 33:26:50N 117:36:40W
Elevation: 160 feet

Temecula, California, US

County: Riverside County
Location: 33:30:10N 117:07:44W
Elevation: 1006 feet

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43793E18.EFAA580A@***.net...
> Your way, 51 miles:
> http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z=
> My scenic way, 40.68 plus 17.50 miles:
> http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...nore&2s=CA&2z=
> Plus:
> http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z=
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> No it doesn't. The road connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. If
>> one wants the shortest route from San Clemente to Temecula, the Ortega
>> Highway is probably not the best choice. I haven't measured it, but my
>> gut
>> instinct is that Hiway 76 through O'side to the I-15 then go north would
>> be
>> shorter than the Ortega, but this is beside the point, Captain.
>>
>> The Ortega connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. Period.

Billy Ray

If the New Madrid Fault is the site of the BIG one I might have beachfront
property. The question is.... will it be the new east or west coast.... or
both?


"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NZ6dnawfnvGNpeTeRVn-gA@ez2.net...
> Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach
> front property if things go reasonably well ...
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43777FE2.488B9C77@sympatico.ca...
>> So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
>> to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-)
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in
>>> my
>>> backyard, literally.
>>>
>>> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
>>> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
>>> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go
>>> all of
>>> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
>>> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that
>>> gets
>>> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
>>> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
>>> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and
>>> back
>>> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people
>>> don't
>>> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in
>>> San
>>> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go
>>> 40
>>> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
>>> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening
>>> and
>>> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is
>>> a
>>> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
>>> mountain range.
>>>
>>> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15
>>> along
>>> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very
>>> long
>>> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and
>>> when it
>>> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
>>> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel
>>> is
>>> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of
>>> the
>>> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
>>>
>>> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem
>>> to
>>> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I
>>> think
>>> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with
>>> money.
>>> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
>>>
>>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
>>> > Bill,
>>> >
>>> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>>> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>>> >
>

Billy Ray

If the New Madrid Fault is the site of the BIG one I might have beachfront
property. The question is.... will it be the new east or west coast.... or
both?


"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NZ6dnawfnvGNpeTeRVn-gA@ez2.net...
> Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach
> front property if things go reasonably well ...
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43777FE2.488B9C77@sympatico.ca...
>> So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
>> to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-)
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in
>>> my
>>> backyard, literally.
>>>
>>> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
>>> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
>>> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go
>>> all of
>>> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
>>> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that
>>> gets
>>> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
>>> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
>>> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and
>>> back
>>> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people
>>> don't
>>> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in
>>> San
>>> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go
>>> 40
>>> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
>>> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening
>>> and
>>> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is
>>> a
>>> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
>>> mountain range.
>>>
>>> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15
>>> along
>>> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very
>>> long
>>> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and
>>> when it
>>> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
>>> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel
>>> is
>>> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of
>>> the
>>> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
>>>
>>> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem
>>> to
>>> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I
>>> think
>>> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with
>>> money.
>>> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
>>>
>>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
>>> > Bill,
>>> >
>>> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>>> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>>> >
>

Billy Ray

If the New Madrid Fault is the site of the BIG one I might have beachfront
property. The question is.... will it be the new east or west coast.... or
both?


"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NZ6dnawfnvGNpeTeRVn-gA@ez2.net...
> Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach
> front property if things go reasonably well ...
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43777FE2.488B9C77@sympatico.ca...
>> So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
>> to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-)
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in
>>> my
>>> backyard, literally.
>>>
>>> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
>>> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
>>> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go
>>> all of
>>> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
>>> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that
>>> gets
>>> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
>>> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
>>> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and
>>> back
>>> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people
>>> don't
>>> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in
>>> San
>>> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go
>>> 40
>>> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
>>> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening
>>> and
>>> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is
>>> a
>>> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
>>> mountain range.
>>>
>>> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15
>>> along
>>> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very
>>> long
>>> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and
>>> when it
>>> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
>>> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel
>>> is
>>> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of
>>> the
>>> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
>>>
>>> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem
>>> to
>>> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I
>>> think
>>> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with
>>> money.
>>> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
>>>
>>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
>>> > Bill,
>>> >
>>> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>>> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>>> >
>