OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
11-13-2005, 03:59 AM
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Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:16:21 -0500, "Billy Ray"
<Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>Bill,
>
>What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>
Maybe it's the proposed high speed train under consideration?
It will have a tunnel through parts of the mountains north of the
Pasadena area.
....
<Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>Bill,
>
>What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>
Maybe it's the proposed high speed train under consideration?
It will have a tunnel through parts of the mountains north of the
Pasadena area.
....
11-13-2005, 03:59 AM
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Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:16:21 -0500, "Billy Ray"
<Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>Bill,
>
>What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>
Maybe it's the proposed high speed train under consideration?
It will have a tunnel through parts of the mountains north of the
Pasadena area.
....
<Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>Bill,
>
>What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>
Maybe it's the proposed high speed train under consideration?
It will have a tunnel through parts of the mountains north of the
Pasadena area.
....
11-13-2005, 03:59 AM
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Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:16:21 -0500, "Billy Ray"
<Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>Bill,
>
>What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>
Maybe it's the proposed high speed train under consideration?
It will have a tunnel through parts of the mountains north of the
Pasadena area.
....
<Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>Bill,
>
>What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>
Maybe it's the proposed high speed train under consideration?
It will have a tunnel through parts of the mountains north of the
Pasadena area.
....
11-13-2005, 12:37 PM
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Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my
backyard, literally.
They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of
the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets
something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back
again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't
want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San
Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40
miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and
improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a
National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
mountain range.
There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along
the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long
time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it
decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is
not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the
tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to
be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think
both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money.
Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
> Bill,
>
> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>
backyard, literally.
They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of
the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets
something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back
again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't
want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San
Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40
miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and
improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a
National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
mountain range.
There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along
the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long
time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it
decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is
not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the
tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to
be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think
both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money.
Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
> Bill,
>
> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>
11-13-2005, 12:37 PM
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Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my
backyard, literally.
They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of
the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets
something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back
again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't
want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San
Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40
miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and
improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a
National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
mountain range.
There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along
the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long
time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it
decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is
not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the
tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to
be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think
both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money.
Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
> Bill,
>
> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>
backyard, literally.
They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of
the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets
something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back
again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't
want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San
Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40
miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and
improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a
National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
mountain range.
There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along
the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long
time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it
decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is
not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the
tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to
be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think
both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money.
Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
> Bill,
>
> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>
11-13-2005, 12:37 PM
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Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my
backyard, literally.
They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of
the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets
something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back
again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't
want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San
Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40
miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and
improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a
National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
mountain range.
There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along
the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long
time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it
decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is
not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the
tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to
be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think
both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money.
Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
> Bill,
>
> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>
backyard, literally.
They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of
the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets
something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back
again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't
want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San
Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40
miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and
improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a
National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
mountain range.
There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along
the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long
time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it
decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is
not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the
tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to
be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think
both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money.
Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
> Bill,
>
> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>
11-13-2005, 12:39 PM
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Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Geez, there's barely a mountain there. It's scenic though, the
> Greenies must be in the way of widening the two lane going from San
> Clemente to Temecula:
Technically, that's San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore ...
11-13-2005, 12:39 PM
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Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Geez, there's barely a mountain there. It's scenic though, the
> Greenies must be in the way of widening the two lane going from San
> Clemente to Temecula:
Technically, that's San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore ...
11-13-2005, 12:39 PM
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Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Geez, there's barely a mountain there. It's scenic though, the
> Greenies must be in the way of widening the two lane going from San
> Clemente to Temecula:
Technically, that's San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore ...
11-13-2005, 01:01 PM
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Re: OT:
Hey, I might be out your way in December, well I'll be in your state, not
sure if I'll be near you or not. If things work out and I can get the time
off I'll be visiting Long Beach.
Snow...
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.75...7153&t=k&hl=en
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I don't know of it. We have a problematic subway in Los Angeles:
> http://www.urbanrail.net/am/lsan/los-angeles.htm I know of many unused
> tunnels that go though the mountain ranges, one to Palm Springs, I have
> no idea why the dug it. And a bunch of top secret stuff in the San
> Bernardino mountains. A tunnel under the Tejon Pass/Grapevine would be
> wonderful for the trucker. Where'd you find this rumor?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
sure if I'll be near you or not. If things work out and I can get the time
off I'll be visiting Long Beach.
Snow...
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.75...7153&t=k&hl=en
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4376A903.FB228AB9@***.net...
> I don't know of it. We have a problematic subway in Los Angeles:
> http://www.urbanrail.net/am/lsan/los-angeles.htm I know of many unused
> tunnels that go though the mountain ranges, one to Palm Springs, I have
> no idea why the dug it. And a bunch of top secret stuff in the San
> Bernardino mountains. A tunnel under the Tejon Pass/Grapevine would be
> wonderful for the trucker. Where'd you find this rumor?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?