OT: Iraq
09-05-2003, 05:45 PM
#11
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Iraq
Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear tough
?
My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels of the
pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very nasty and
was a low point of the war.
I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from both
our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in victory. A
large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so little
regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he didn't
stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking their
lives to save the world from ******** like you.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
: > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
there."
: >
: > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be reading
the
: > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would like us
to
: > leave so they can keep thier oil.
: >
:
: This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
: interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
:
: I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
: Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
: Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
: World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
: business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
: firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
: value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000 people.
: To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
: people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
: combined.
:
: Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
: dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
: operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
: killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
: civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
:
: This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
: letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
: come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
: of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
: everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead American
: any day.
:
: You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists and
: underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
: start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out, then
: I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
: civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
: I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
:
: The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with us,
: the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
: would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
: totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
:
: I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
: sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
: month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe I
: have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
?
My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels of the
pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very nasty and
was a low point of the war.
I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from both
our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in victory. A
large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so little
regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he didn't
stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking their
lives to save the world from ******** like you.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
: > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
there."
: >
: > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be reading
the
: > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would like us
to
: > leave so they can keep thier oil.
: >
:
: This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
: interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
:
: I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
: Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
: Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
: World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
: business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
: firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
: value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000 people.
: To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
: people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
: combined.
:
: Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
: dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
: operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
: killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
: civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
:
: This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
: letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
: come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
: of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
: everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead American
: any day.
:
: You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists and
: underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
: start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out, then
: I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
: civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
: I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
:
: The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with us,
: the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
: would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
: totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
:
: I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
: sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
: month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe I
: have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
09-05-2003, 09:34 PM
#12
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Iraq
If you think you went into that war only for WMD, then I that's naieve.
There were/are many reasons for it, ranging from WMD to finishing daddy's
unfinished business - but I do think our government, for all its undoubted
failings, care about the Iraqis.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bjbchg$gn63h$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: The excuse we were given was weapons of mass destruction that could be
used
: against us, not a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people. I don't
: know what you mean by "large part of this operation" but I don't that
think
: our congress really gave a damn about 300,000 dead Iraqis, and I'll bet
your
: parliament didn't either. To say that that is why our troops went in
there
: is revisionism.
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
: tough
: > ?
: > My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels of
: the
: > pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very nasty
: and
: > was a low point of the war.
: >
: > I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
: both
: > our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in victory.
A
: > large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
: little
: > regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he didn't
: > stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
: their
: > lives to save the world from ******** like you.
: >
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
: > news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
: > : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
: > there."
: > : >
: > : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
: reading
: > the
: > : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would
like
: us
: > to
: > : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
: > : >
: > :
: > : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
: > : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
: > :
: > : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
: > : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
: > : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
: > : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
: > : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
: > : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
: > : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000 people.
: > : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
: > : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
: > : combined.
: > :
: > : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
: > : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
: > : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
: > : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
: > : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
: > :
: > : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
: > : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
: > : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
: > : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
: > : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead American
: > : any day.
: > :
: > : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists and
: > : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
: > : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out, then
: > : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
: > : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
: > : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
: > :
: > : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with us,
: > : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
: > : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
: > : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
: > :
: > : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
: > : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
: > : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe I
: > : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
: >
: >
:
:
There were/are many reasons for it, ranging from WMD to finishing daddy's
unfinished business - but I do think our government, for all its undoubted
failings, care about the Iraqis.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bjbchg$gn63h$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: The excuse we were given was weapons of mass destruction that could be
used
: against us, not a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people. I don't
: know what you mean by "large part of this operation" but I don't that
think
: our congress really gave a damn about 300,000 dead Iraqis, and I'll bet
your
: parliament didn't either. To say that that is why our troops went in
there
: is revisionism.
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
: tough
: > ?
: > My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels of
: the
: > pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very nasty
: and
: > was a low point of the war.
: >
: > I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
: both
: > our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in victory.
A
: > large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
: little
: > regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he didn't
: > stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
: their
: > lives to save the world from ******** like you.
: >
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
: > news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
: > : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
: > there."
: > : >
: > : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
: reading
: > the
: > : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would
like
: us
: > to
: > : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
: > : >
: > :
: > : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
: > : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
: > :
: > : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
: > : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
: > : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
: > : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
: > : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
: > : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
: > : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000 people.
: > : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
: > : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
: > : combined.
: > :
: > : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
: > : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
: > : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
: > : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
: > : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
: > :
: > : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
: > : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
: > : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
: > : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
: > : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead American
: > : any day.
: > :
: > : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists and
: > : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
: > : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out, then
: > : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
: > : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
: > : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
: > :
: > : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with us,
: > : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
: > : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
: > : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
: > :
: > : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
: > : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
: > : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe I
: > : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
: >
: >
:
:
09-05-2003, 09:34 PM
#13
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Iraq
If you think you went into that war only for WMD, then I that's naieve.
There were/are many reasons for it, ranging from WMD to finishing daddy's
unfinished business - but I do think our government, for all its undoubted
failings, care about the Iraqis.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bjbchg$gn63h$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: The excuse we were given was weapons of mass destruction that could be
used
: against us, not a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people. I don't
: know what you mean by "large part of this operation" but I don't that
think
: our congress really gave a damn about 300,000 dead Iraqis, and I'll bet
your
: parliament didn't either. To say that that is why our troops went in
there
: is revisionism.
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
: tough
: > ?
: > My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels of
: the
: > pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very nasty
: and
: > was a low point of the war.
: >
: > I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
: both
: > our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in victory.
A
: > large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
: little
: > regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he didn't
: > stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
: their
: > lives to save the world from ******** like you.
: >
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
: > news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
: > : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
: > there."
: > : >
: > : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
: reading
: > the
: > : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would
like
: us
: > to
: > : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
: > : >
: > :
: > : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
: > : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
: > :
: > : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
: > : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
: > : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
: > : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
: > : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
: > : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
: > : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000 people.
: > : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
: > : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
: > : combined.
: > :
: > : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
: > : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
: > : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
: > : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
: > : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
: > :
: > : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
: > : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
: > : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
: > : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
: > : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead American
: > : any day.
: > :
: > : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists and
: > : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
: > : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out, then
: > : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
: > : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
: > : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
: > :
: > : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with us,
: > : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
: > : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
: > : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
: > :
: > : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
: > : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
: > : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe I
: > : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
: >
: >
:
:
There were/are many reasons for it, ranging from WMD to finishing daddy's
unfinished business - but I do think our government, for all its undoubted
failings, care about the Iraqis.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bjbchg$gn63h$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: The excuse we were given was weapons of mass destruction that could be
used
: against us, not a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people. I don't
: know what you mean by "large part of this operation" but I don't that
think
: our congress really gave a damn about 300,000 dead Iraqis, and I'll bet
your
: parliament didn't either. To say that that is why our troops went in
there
: is revisionism.
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
: tough
: > ?
: > My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels of
: the
: > pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very nasty
: and
: > was a low point of the war.
: >
: > I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
: both
: > our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in victory.
A
: > large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
: little
: > regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he didn't
: > stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
: their
: > lives to save the world from ******** like you.
: >
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
: > news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
: > : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
: > there."
: > : >
: > : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
: reading
: > the
: > : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would
like
: us
: > to
: > : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
: > : >
: > :
: > : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
: > : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
: > :
: > : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
: > : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
: > : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
: > : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
: > : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
: > : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
: > : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000 people.
: > : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
: > : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
: > : combined.
: > :
: > : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
: > : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
: > : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
: > : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
: > : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
: > :
: > : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
: > : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
: > : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
: > : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
: > : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead American
: > : any day.
: > :
: > : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists and
: > : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
: > : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out, then
: > : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
: > : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
: > : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
: > :
: > : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with us,
: > : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
: > : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
: > : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
: > :
: > : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
: > : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
: > : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe I
: > : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
: >
: >
:
:
09-05-2003, 09:46 PM
#14
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Iraq
Your government has failings too?
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LQa6b.1889$MM6.17978417@news-text.cableinet.net...
> If you think you went into that war only for WMD, then I that's naieve.
> There were/are many reasons for it, ranging from WMD to finishing daddy's
> unfinished business - but I do think our government, for all its undoubted
> failings, care about the Iraqis.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bjbchg$gn63h$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : The excuse we were given was weapons of mass destruction that could be
> used
> : against us, not a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people. I
don't
> : know what you mean by "large part of this operation" but I don't that
> think
> : our congress really gave a damn about 300,000 dead Iraqis, and I'll bet
> your
> : parliament didn't either. To say that that is why our troops went in
> there
> : is revisionism.
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
> : tough
> : > ?
> : > My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels
of
> : the
> : > pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very
nasty
> : and
> : > was a low point of the war.
> : >
> : > I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
> : both
> : > our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in
victory.
> A
> : > large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
> : little
> : > regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he
didn't
> : > stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
> : their
> : > lives to save the world from ******** like you.
> : >
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> : > news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
> : > : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
> : > there."
> : > : >
> : > : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
> : reading
> : > the
> : > : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would
> like
> : us
> : > to
> : > : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
> : > : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
> : > :
> : > : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
> : > : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
> : > : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
> : > : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
> : > : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
> : > : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
> : > : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000
people.
> : > : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
> : > : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
> : > : combined.
> : > :
> : > : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
> : > : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
> : > : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
> : > : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
> : > : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
> : > :
> : > : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
> : > : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
> : > : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
> : > : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
> : > : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead
American
> : > : any day.
> : > :
> : > : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists
and
> : > : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
> : > : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out,
then
> : > : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
> : > : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
> : > : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
> : > :
> : > : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with
us,
> : > : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
> : > : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
> : > : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
> : > :
> : > : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
> : > : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
> : > : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe
I
> : > : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LQa6b.1889$MM6.17978417@news-text.cableinet.net...
> If you think you went into that war only for WMD, then I that's naieve.
> There were/are many reasons for it, ranging from WMD to finishing daddy's
> unfinished business - but I do think our government, for all its undoubted
> failings, care about the Iraqis.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bjbchg$gn63h$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : The excuse we were given was weapons of mass destruction that could be
> used
> : against us, not a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people. I
don't
> : know what you mean by "large part of this operation" but I don't that
> think
> : our congress really gave a damn about 300,000 dead Iraqis, and I'll bet
> your
> : parliament didn't either. To say that that is why our troops went in
> there
> : is revisionism.
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
> : tough
> : > ?
> : > My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels
of
> : the
> : > pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very
nasty
> : and
> : > was a low point of the war.
> : >
> : > I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
> : both
> : > our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in
victory.
> A
> : > large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
> : little
> : > regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he
didn't
> : > stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
> : their
> : > lives to save the world from ******** like you.
> : >
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> : > news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
> : > : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
> : > there."
> : > : >
> : > : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
> : reading
> : > the
> : > : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would
> like
> : us
> : > to
> : > : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
> : > : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
> : > :
> : > : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
> : > : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
> : > : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
> : > : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
> : > : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
> : > : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
> : > : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000
people.
> : > : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
> : > : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
> : > : combined.
> : > :
> : > : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
> : > : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
> : > : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
> : > : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
> : > : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
> : > :
> : > : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
> : > : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
> : > : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
> : > : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
> : > : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead
American
> : > : any day.
> : > :
> : > : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists
and
> : > : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
> : > : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out,
then
> : > : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
> : > : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
> : > : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
> : > :
> : > : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with
us,
> : > : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
> : > : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
> : > : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
> : > :
> : > : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
> : > : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
> : > : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe
I
> : > : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
09-05-2003, 09:46 PM
#15
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Iraq
Your government has failings too?
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LQa6b.1889$MM6.17978417@news-text.cableinet.net...
> If you think you went into that war only for WMD, then I that's naieve.
> There were/are many reasons for it, ranging from WMD to finishing daddy's
> unfinished business - but I do think our government, for all its undoubted
> failings, care about the Iraqis.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bjbchg$gn63h$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : The excuse we were given was weapons of mass destruction that could be
> used
> : against us, not a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people. I
don't
> : know what you mean by "large part of this operation" but I don't that
> think
> : our congress really gave a damn about 300,000 dead Iraqis, and I'll bet
> your
> : parliament didn't either. To say that that is why our troops went in
> there
> : is revisionism.
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
> : tough
> : > ?
> : > My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels
of
> : the
> : > pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very
nasty
> : and
> : > was a low point of the war.
> : >
> : > I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
> : both
> : > our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in
victory.
> A
> : > large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
> : little
> : > regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he
didn't
> : > stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
> : their
> : > lives to save the world from ******** like you.
> : >
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> : > news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
> : > : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
> : > there."
> : > : >
> : > : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
> : reading
> : > the
> : > : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would
> like
> : us
> : > to
> : > : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
> : > : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
> : > :
> : > : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
> : > : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
> : > : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
> : > : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
> : > : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
> : > : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
> : > : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000
people.
> : > : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
> : > : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
> : > : combined.
> : > :
> : > : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
> : > : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
> : > : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
> : > : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
> : > : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
> : > :
> : > : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
> : > : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
> : > : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
> : > : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
> : > : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead
American
> : > : any day.
> : > :
> : > : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists
and
> : > : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
> : > : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out,
then
> : > : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
> : > : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
> : > : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
> : > :
> : > : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with
us,
> : > : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
> : > : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
> : > : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
> : > :
> : > : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
> : > : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
> : > : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe
I
> : > : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LQa6b.1889$MM6.17978417@news-text.cableinet.net...
> If you think you went into that war only for WMD, then I that's naieve.
> There were/are many reasons for it, ranging from WMD to finishing daddy's
> unfinished business - but I do think our government, for all its undoubted
> failings, care about the Iraqis.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bjbchg$gn63h$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : The excuse we were given was weapons of mass destruction that could be
> used
> : against us, not a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people. I
don't
> : know what you mean by "large part of this operation" but I don't that
> think
> : our congress really gave a damn about 300,000 dead Iraqis, and I'll bet
> your
> : parliament didn't either. To say that that is why our troops went in
> there
> : is revisionism.
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
> : tough
> : > ?
> : > My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels
of
> : the
> : > pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very
nasty
> : and
> : > was a low point of the war.
> : >
> : > I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
> : both
> : > our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in
victory.
> A
> : > large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
> : little
> : > regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he
didn't
> : > stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
> : their
> : > lives to save the world from ******** like you.
> : >
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> : > news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
> : > : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
> : > there."
> : > : >
> : > : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
> : reading
> : > the
> : > : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would
> like
> : us
> : > to
> : > : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
> : > : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
> : > :
> : > : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
> : > : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
> : > : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
> : > : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
> : > : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
> : > : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
> : > : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000
people.
> : > : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
> : > : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
> : > : combined.
> : > :
> : > : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
> : > : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
> : > : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
> : > : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
> : > : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
> : > :
> : > : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
> : > : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
> : > : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
> : > : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
> : > : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead
American
> : > : any day.
> : > :
> : > : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists
and
> : > : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
> : > : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out,
then
> : > : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
> : > : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
> : > : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
> : > :
> : > : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with
us,
> : > : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
> : > : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
> : > : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
> : > :
> : > : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
> : > : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
> : > : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe
I
> : > : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
09-05-2003, 11:49 PM
#16
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Iraq
135K (your statistic of 300K is over double the highest estimates) Germans
are more innocent than 6,000,000 Jews?
Germany was the aggressor, and earned every bomb that fell on them.
Were not those bombs to destroy a dictator's war making ability?
just how else would you have proposed it be done? Ask him to leave?
WW2 was a war against opposing nations civil infrastructure as much as it
was a war against military targets, partially because the technology did not
exist to fight it any other way.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
tough
> ?
> My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels of
the
> pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very nasty
and
> was a low point of the war.
>
> I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
both
> our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in victory. A
> large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
little
> regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he didn't
> stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
their
> lives to save the world from ******** like you.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
> : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
> there."
> : >
> : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
reading
> the
> : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would like
us
> to
> : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
> : >
> :
> : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
> : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
> :
> : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
> : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
> : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
> : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
> : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
> : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
> : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000 people.
> : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
> : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
> : combined.
> :
> : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
> : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
> : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
> : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
> : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
> :
> : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
> : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
> : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
> : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
> : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead American
> : any day.
> :
> : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists and
> : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
> : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out, then
> : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
> : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
> : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
> :
> : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with us,
> : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
> : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
> : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
> :
> : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
> : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
> : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe I
> : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
>
>
are more innocent than 6,000,000 Jews?
Germany was the aggressor, and earned every bomb that fell on them.
Were not those bombs to destroy a dictator's war making ability?
just how else would you have proposed it be done? Ask him to leave?
WW2 was a war against opposing nations civil infrastructure as much as it
was a war against military targets, partially because the technology did not
exist to fight it any other way.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
tough
> ?
> My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels of
the
> pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very nasty
and
> was a low point of the war.
>
> I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
both
> our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in victory. A
> large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
little
> regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he didn't
> stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
their
> lives to save the world from ******** like you.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
> : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
> there."
> : >
> : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
reading
> the
> : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would like
us
> to
> : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
> : >
> :
> : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
> : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
> :
> : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
> : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
> : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
> : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
> : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
> : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
> : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000 people.
> : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
> : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
> : combined.
> :
> : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
> : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
> : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
> : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
> : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
> :
> : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
> : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
> : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
> : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
> : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead American
> : any day.
> :
> : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists and
> : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
> : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out, then
> : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
> : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
> : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
> :
> : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with us,
> : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
> : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
> : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
> :
> : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
> : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
> : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe I
> : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
>
>
09-05-2003, 11:49 PM
#17
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Iraq
135K (your statistic of 300K is over double the highest estimates) Germans
are more innocent than 6,000,000 Jews?
Germany was the aggressor, and earned every bomb that fell on them.
Were not those bombs to destroy a dictator's war making ability?
just how else would you have proposed it be done? Ask him to leave?
WW2 was a war against opposing nations civil infrastructure as much as it
was a war against military targets, partially because the technology did not
exist to fight it any other way.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
tough
> ?
> My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels of
the
> pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very nasty
and
> was a low point of the war.
>
> I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
both
> our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in victory. A
> large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
little
> regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he didn't
> stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
their
> lives to save the world from ******** like you.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
> : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
> there."
> : >
> : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
reading
> the
> : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would like
us
> to
> : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
> : >
> :
> : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
> : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
> :
> : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
> : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
> : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
> : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
> : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
> : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
> : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000 people.
> : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
> : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
> : combined.
> :
> : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
> : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
> : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
> : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
> : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
> :
> : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
> : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
> : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
> : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
> : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead American
> : any day.
> :
> : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists and
> : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
> : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out, then
> : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
> : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
> : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
> :
> : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with us,
> : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
> : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
> : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
> :
> : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
> : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
> : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe I
> : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
>
>
are more innocent than 6,000,000 Jews?
Germany was the aggressor, and earned every bomb that fell on them.
Were not those bombs to destroy a dictator's war making ability?
just how else would you have proposed it be done? Ask him to leave?
WW2 was a war against opposing nations civil infrastructure as much as it
was a war against military targets, partially because the technology did not
exist to fight it any other way.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
tough
> ?
> My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels of
the
> pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very nasty
and
> was a low point of the war.
>
> I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
both
> our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in victory. A
> large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
little
> regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he didn't
> stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
their
> lives to save the world from ******** like you.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
> : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
> there."
> : >
> : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
reading
> the
> : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would like
us
> to
> : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
> : >
> :
> : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
> : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
> :
> : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
> : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
> : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
> : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
> : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
> : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
> : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000 people.
> : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
> : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
> : combined.
> :
> : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
> : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
> : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
> : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
> : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
> :
> : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
> : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
> : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
> : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
> : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead American
> : any day.
> :
> : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists and
> : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
> : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out, then
> : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
> : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
> : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
> :
> : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with us,
> : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
> : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
> : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
> :
> : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
> : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
> : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe I
> : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
>
>
09-05-2003, 11:52 PM
#18
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Iraq
I think you hit it square with daddy's war.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LQa6b.1889$MM6.17978417@news-text.cableinet.net...
> If you think you went into that war only for WMD, then I that's naieve.
> There were/are many reasons for it, ranging from WMD to finishing daddy's
> unfinished business - but I do think our government, for all its undoubted
> failings, care about the Iraqis.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bjbchg$gn63h$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : The excuse we were given was weapons of mass destruction that could be
> used
> : against us, not a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people. I
don't
> : know what you mean by "large part of this operation" but I don't that
> think
> : our congress really gave a damn about 300,000 dead Iraqis, and I'll bet
> your
> : parliament didn't either. To say that that is why our troops went in
> there
> : is revisionism.
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
> : tough
> : > ?
> : > My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels
of
> : the
> : > pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very
nasty
> : and
> : > was a low point of the war.
> : >
> : > I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
> : both
> : > our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in
victory.
> A
> : > large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
> : little
> : > regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he
didn't
> : > stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
> : their
> : > lives to save the world from ******** like you.
> : >
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> : > news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
> : > : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
> : > there."
> : > : >
> : > : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
> : reading
> : > the
> : > : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would
> like
> : us
> : > to
> : > : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
> : > : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
> : > :
> : > : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
> : > : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
> : > : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
> : > : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
> : > : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
> : > : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
> : > : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000
people.
> : > : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
> : > : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
> : > : combined.
> : > :
> : > : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
> : > : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
> : > : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
> : > : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
> : > : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
> : > :
> : > : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
> : > : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
> : > : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
> : > : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
> : > : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead
American
> : > : any day.
> : > :
> : > : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists
and
> : > : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
> : > : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out,
then
> : > : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
> : > : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
> : > : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
> : > :
> : > : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with
us,
> : > : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
> : > : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
> : > : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
> : > :
> : > : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
> : > : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
> : > : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe
I
> : > : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LQa6b.1889$MM6.17978417@news-text.cableinet.net...
> If you think you went into that war only for WMD, then I that's naieve.
> There were/are many reasons for it, ranging from WMD to finishing daddy's
> unfinished business - but I do think our government, for all its undoubted
> failings, care about the Iraqis.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bjbchg$gn63h$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : The excuse we were given was weapons of mass destruction that could be
> used
> : against us, not a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people. I
don't
> : know what you mean by "large part of this operation" but I don't that
> think
> : our congress really gave a damn about 300,000 dead Iraqis, and I'll bet
> your
> : parliament didn't either. To say that that is why our troops went in
> there
> : is revisionism.
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
> : tough
> : > ?
> : > My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels
of
> : the
> : > pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very
nasty
> : and
> : > was a low point of the war.
> : >
> : > I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
> : both
> : > our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in
victory.
> A
> : > large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
> : little
> : > regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he
didn't
> : > stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
> : their
> : > lives to save the world from ******** like you.
> : >
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> : > news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
> : > : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
> : > there."
> : > : >
> : > : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
> : reading
> : > the
> : > : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would
> like
> : us
> : > to
> : > : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
> : > : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
> : > :
> : > : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
> : > : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
> : > : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
> : > : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
> : > : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
> : > : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
> : > : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000
people.
> : > : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
> : > : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
> : > : combined.
> : > :
> : > : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
> : > : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
> : > : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
> : > : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
> : > : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
> : > :
> : > : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
> : > : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
> : > : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
> : > : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
> : > : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead
American
> : > : any day.
> : > :
> : > : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists
and
> : > : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
> : > : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out,
then
> : > : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
> : > : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
> : > : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
> : > :
> : > : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with
us,
> : > : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
> : > : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
> : > : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
> : > :
> : > : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
> : > : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
> : > : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe
I
> : > : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
09-05-2003, 11:52 PM
#19
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Iraq
I think you hit it square with daddy's war.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LQa6b.1889$MM6.17978417@news-text.cableinet.net...
> If you think you went into that war only for WMD, then I that's naieve.
> There were/are many reasons for it, ranging from WMD to finishing daddy's
> unfinished business - but I do think our government, for all its undoubted
> failings, care about the Iraqis.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bjbchg$gn63h$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : The excuse we were given was weapons of mass destruction that could be
> used
> : against us, not a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people. I
don't
> : know what you mean by "large part of this operation" but I don't that
> think
> : our congress really gave a damn about 300,000 dead Iraqis, and I'll bet
> your
> : parliament didn't either. To say that that is why our troops went in
> there
> : is revisionism.
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
> : tough
> : > ?
> : > My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels
of
> : the
> : > pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very
nasty
> : and
> : > was a low point of the war.
> : >
> : > I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
> : both
> : > our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in
victory.
> A
> : > large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
> : little
> : > regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he
didn't
> : > stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
> : their
> : > lives to save the world from ******** like you.
> : >
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> : > news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
> : > : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
> : > there."
> : > : >
> : > : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
> : reading
> : > the
> : > : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would
> like
> : us
> : > to
> : > : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
> : > : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
> : > :
> : > : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
> : > : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
> : > : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
> : > : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
> : > : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
> : > : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
> : > : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000
people.
> : > : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
> : > : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
> : > : combined.
> : > :
> : > : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
> : > : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
> : > : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
> : > : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
> : > : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
> : > :
> : > : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
> : > : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
> : > : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
> : > : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
> : > : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead
American
> : > : any day.
> : > :
> : > : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists
and
> : > : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
> : > : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out,
then
> : > : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
> : > : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
> : > : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
> : > :
> : > : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with
us,
> : > : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
> : > : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
> : > : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
> : > :
> : > : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
> : > : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
> : > : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe
I
> : > : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LQa6b.1889$MM6.17978417@news-text.cableinet.net...
> If you think you went into that war only for WMD, then I that's naieve.
> There were/are many reasons for it, ranging from WMD to finishing daddy's
> unfinished business - but I do think our government, for all its undoubted
> failings, care about the Iraqis.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bjbchg$gn63h$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : The excuse we were given was weapons of mass destruction that could be
> used
> : against us, not a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people. I
don't
> : know what you mean by "large part of this operation" but I don't that
> think
> : our congress really gave a damn about 300,000 dead Iraqis, and I'll bet
> your
> : parliament didn't either. To say that that is why our troops went in
> there
> : is revisionism.
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
> : tough
> : > ?
> : > My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels
of
> : the
> : > pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very
nasty
> : and
> : > was a low point of the war.
> : >
> : > I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
> : both
> : > our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in
victory.
> A
> : > large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
> : little
> : > regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he
didn't
> : > stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
> : their
> : > lives to save the world from ******** like you.
> : >
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> : > news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
> : > : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
> : > there."
> : > : >
> : > : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
> : reading
> : > the
> : > : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would
> like
> : us
> : > to
> : > : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
> : > : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
> : > :
> : > : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
> : > : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
> : > : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
> : > : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
> : > : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
> : > : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
> : > : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000
people.
> : > : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
> : > : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
> : > : combined.
> : > :
> : > : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
> : > : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
> : > : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
> : > : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
> : > : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
> : > :
> : > : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
> : > : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
> : > : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
> : > : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
> : > : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead
American
> : > : any day.
> : > :
> : > : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists
and
> : > : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
> : > : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out,
then
> : > : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
> : > : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
> : > : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
> : > :
> : > : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with
us,
> : > : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
> : > : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
> : > : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
> : > :
> : > : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
> : > : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
> : > : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe
I
> : > : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
09-06-2003, 01:29 AM
#20
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Iraq
Ya, eversince the last election, I imagine a little boy going home
everynight and calling daddy crying "what do I do????" wah. Ok, I'm donning
my flame retardent suit right now...
Nick
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LQa6b.1889$MM6.17978417@news-text.cableinet.net...
> If you think you went into that war only for WMD, then I that's naieve.
> There were/are many reasons for it, ranging from WMD to finishing daddy's
> unfinished business - but I do think our government, for all its undoubted
> failings, care about the Iraqis.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bjbchg$gn63h$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : The excuse we were given was weapons of mass destruction that could be
> used
> : against us, not a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people. I
don't
> : know what you mean by "large part of this operation" but I don't that
> think
> : our congress really gave a damn about 300,000 dead Iraqis, and I'll bet
> your
> : parliament didn't either. To say that that is why our troops went in
> there
> : is revisionism.
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
> : tough
> : > ?
> : > My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels
of
> : the
> : > pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very
nasty
> : and
> : > was a low point of the war.
> : >
> : > I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
> : both
> : > our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in
victory.
> A
> : > large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
> : little
> : > regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he
didn't
> : > stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
> : their
> : > lives to save the world from ******** like you.
> : >
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> : > news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
> : > : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
> : > there."
> : > : >
> : > : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
> : reading
> : > the
> : > : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would
> like
> : us
> : > to
> : > : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
> : > : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
> : > :
> : > : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
> : > : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
> : > : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
> : > : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
> : > : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
> : > : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
> : > : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000
people.
> : > : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
> : > : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
> : > : combined.
> : > :
> : > : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
> : > : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
> : > : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
> : > : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
> : > : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
> : > :
> : > : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
> : > : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
> : > : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
> : > : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
> : > : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead
American
> : > : any day.
> : > :
> : > : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists
and
> : > : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
> : > : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out,
then
> : > : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
> : > : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
> : > : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
> : > :
> : > : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with
us,
> : > : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
> : > : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
> : > : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
> : > :
> : > : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
> : > : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
> : > : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe
I
> : > : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
everynight and calling daddy crying "what do I do????" wah. Ok, I'm donning
my flame retardent suit right now...
Nick
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LQa6b.1889$MM6.17978417@news-text.cableinet.net...
> If you think you went into that war only for WMD, then I that's naieve.
> There were/are many reasons for it, ranging from WMD to finishing daddy's
> unfinished business - but I do think our government, for all its undoubted
> failings, care about the Iraqis.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bjbchg$gn63h$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : The excuse we were given was weapons of mass destruction that could be
> used
> : against us, not a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people. I
don't
> : know what you mean by "large part of this operation" but I don't that
> think
> : our congress really gave a damn about 300,000 dead Iraqis, and I'll bet
> your
> : parliament didn't either. To say that that is why our troops went in
> there
> : is revisionism.
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:At76b.1742$Sn5.16906365@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Jeez - you advocate killing 300,000 innocent people so you can appear
> : tough
> : > ?
> : > My next door neighbour was in Dresden - her feet burnt and the wheels
of
> : the
> : > pram she was pushing caught fire from the incendiaries ; its very
nasty
> : and
> : > was a low point of the war.
> : >
> : > I'm sorry but your attitude is a disgrace to the soldiers in Iraq from
> : both
> : > our countries who are fighting extremism and being courteous in
victory.
> A
> : > large part of this operation was to get rid of a dictator who had so
> : little
> : > regard for human life (both his own people and the Kurds) that he
didn't
> : > stop at killing 300,000 innocent people. In short soldiers are risking
> : their
> : > lives to save the world from ******** like you.
> : >
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> : > news:b102b6e4.0309051331.686d0d2b@posting.google.c om...
> : > : > " He said that 90% of the Iraqi people are glad the Americans are
> : > there."
> : > : >
> : > : > I would have to question this guys credibility. 90%? I must be
> : reading
> : > the
> : > : > wrong media (around the world). Maybe he ment 10% and 90% would
> like
> : us
> : > to
> : > : > leave so they can keep thier oil.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : This is totally off topic, but I didn't start it and it's an
> : > : interesting topic so I will gladly respond.
> : > :
> : > : I for one really do not understand why we are being so soft with the
> : > : Iraqis. I keep seeing comparisons in the media with how badly the
> : > : Iraqi occupation is going compared to the German occupation after
> : > : World War II. Well, the reason is, we showed the Germans we meant
> : > : business. One particular example is that at the war's close we
> : > : firebombed Dresden, an undefended city of no meaningful military
> : > : value. The bombing was so extensive it killed nearly 300,000
people.
> : > : To put that in perspective, that's more than double the amount of
> : > : people killed in the atomic bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima
> : > : combined.
> : > :
> : > : Speaking of the Germans, they were also pretty good at quashing
> : > : dissent in occupied territories, (and I'm not talking about the SS
> : > : operations and concentration camps.) Any time a German soldier was
> : > : killed by an underground partisan, the Germans lined up ten local
> : > : civilians at random and executed them on the spot.
> : > :
> : > : This may sound inhumane, but which is worse, lancing the boil or
> : > : letting it fester? If we don't start getting serious we are going to
> : > : come home from Iraq in defeat, which will only reinforce the mindset
> : > : of the terrorists and make it open season on American civilians
> : > : everywhere. Personally, I prefer 10 dead Iraqis over 1 dead
American
> : > : any day.
> : > :
> : > : You have to break a few eggs to make the omlette. The terrorists
and
> : > : underground fighters in Iraq should be glad I'm not in charge. I'd
> : > : start by giving everyone in Tikrit 30 minutes notice to get out,
then
> : > : I'd firebomb the place off the map. Then massively disproportional
> : > : civilian reprisals for every future scratch suffered by US forces.
> : > : I'd bet $100 to $1 that would calm the place down real darn quick.
> : > :
> : > : The downside is that this would make the "Arab Street" angry with
us,
> : > : the Europeans would no longer be our faithful allies, and liberals
> : > : would start calling Bush a war criminal. (Which is, of course,
> : > : totally unlike the situation that exists at the current moment.)
> : > :
> : > : I also don't understand why we don't seize the Iraqi oil fields and
> : > : sell the oil wherever we please to pay for the billion dollar per
> : > : month occupation cost. But that's another subject and I do believe
I
> : > : have gotten my 2 cents worth for today.
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>