OT: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
11-06-2004, 01:03 AM
#31
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
Hi Chip,
Would you rather pay what other countries are paying for fuel? They
turn about a five percent profit, when most businesses take fifty
percent or more. Compare other products:
http://www2.inhis.com/HumorNew/humor.asp?id=2784
I think once people see the only ones making money off the Mickey
D's grease are the ones selling the books and refinement equipment:
http://www.veggies.org.uk/graphics/bioproc.jpg But then there's sucker
born every minute, and fool and their money are some parted.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Chip wrote:
>
> I believe that there is more to this story. I'm wondering why the oil
> companies in the US are posting record profits in a depressed economy?
> Maybe it's not so depressed now, but it was. Where I live, diesel was
> recently 2.39 a gallon, the oil companies can hike the price to whatever
> they want and our government does nothing to help. I heard the --------
> about people 'topping off their tanks, causing the price of a gallon a gas
> to go up by 50 cents a gallon overnight? It was right after the Prince
> Edward Sound crash. They saw their oportunity then and have been sticking
> it to us ever since. Heck, one local station posted $4.00 a gallon right
> after desert storm began (they were boycotted for a while). The oil
> companies have the American people by the nads and they know it. They will
> get away with it until someone stops them.
>
> I was thinking about adding a tank to my diesel truck to hold used cooking
> oil. Then I can buy a conversion to run it on byproducts from McDonald's.
> If I had the spare cash, I'd do it now. It's almost free fuel and there is
> no carbon monoxide. It just needs to be filtered.
>
> East Ohio Gas runs their trucks on natural gas, so there are alternatives.
> We just need to get them in use and the oil will be less meaningful, demand
> and price will fall.
>
> Chip
Would you rather pay what other countries are paying for fuel? They
turn about a five percent profit, when most businesses take fifty
percent or more. Compare other products:
http://www2.inhis.com/HumorNew/humor.asp?id=2784
I think once people see the only ones making money off the Mickey
D's grease are the ones selling the books and refinement equipment:
http://www.veggies.org.uk/graphics/bioproc.jpg But then there's sucker
born every minute, and fool and their money are some parted.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Chip wrote:
>
> I believe that there is more to this story. I'm wondering why the oil
> companies in the US are posting record profits in a depressed economy?
> Maybe it's not so depressed now, but it was. Where I live, diesel was
> recently 2.39 a gallon, the oil companies can hike the price to whatever
> they want and our government does nothing to help. I heard the --------
> about people 'topping off their tanks, causing the price of a gallon a gas
> to go up by 50 cents a gallon overnight? It was right after the Prince
> Edward Sound crash. They saw their oportunity then and have been sticking
> it to us ever since. Heck, one local station posted $4.00 a gallon right
> after desert storm began (they were boycotted for a while). The oil
> companies have the American people by the nads and they know it. They will
> get away with it until someone stops them.
>
> I was thinking about adding a tank to my diesel truck to hold used cooking
> oil. Then I can buy a conversion to run it on byproducts from McDonald's.
> If I had the spare cash, I'd do it now. It's almost free fuel and there is
> no carbon monoxide. It just needs to be filtered.
>
> East Ohio Gas runs their trucks on natural gas, so there are alternatives.
> We just need to get them in use and the oil will be less meaningful, demand
> and price will fall.
>
> Chip
11-06-2004, 01:53 AM
#32
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
Still waiting for the hydrogen cells to kill the gas markets. Our city is
hellbent on investing solely on new Hydrogen Busses. We have at least 4 now
and are slowly converting whenever an old bus dies. I think for full-time
vehicles that consume alot of fuel, this is a great alternative. Very
expensive overhead cost tho :( Imagine how much cleaner NYC would be if
all the cabs ran on Hydrogen or even Hybrid?
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
hellbent on investing solely on new Hydrogen Busses. We have at least 4 now
and are slowly converting whenever an old bus dies. I think for full-time
vehicles that consume alot of fuel, this is a great alternative. Very
expensive overhead cost tho :( Imagine how much cleaner NYC would be if
all the cabs ran on Hydrogen or even Hybrid?
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
11-06-2004, 01:53 AM
#33
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
Still waiting for the hydrogen cells to kill the gas markets. Our city is
hellbent on investing solely on new Hydrogen Busses. We have at least 4 now
and are slowly converting whenever an old bus dies. I think for full-time
vehicles that consume alot of fuel, this is a great alternative. Very
expensive overhead cost tho :( Imagine how much cleaner NYC would be if
all the cabs ran on Hydrogen or even Hybrid?
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
hellbent on investing solely on new Hydrogen Busses. We have at least 4 now
and are slowly converting whenever an old bus dies. I think for full-time
vehicles that consume alot of fuel, this is a great alternative. Very
expensive overhead cost tho :( Imagine how much cleaner NYC would be if
all the cabs ran on Hydrogen or even Hybrid?
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
11-06-2004, 04:16 AM
#34
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
There are hydrogen pumps all over the place, and many government
agencies sponsoring the prototypes, but it presently takes about twenty
dollars worth of petroleum to produce a gallon of hydrogen:
http://www.wheels24.co.za/News24/Tec...356277,00.html
Which is of course, still much cheaper than government subsidized wind
generated power that everyone keeps harping about.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> Still waiting for the hydrogen cells to kill the gas markets. Our city is
> hellbent on investing solely on new Hydrogen Busses. We have at least 4 now
> and are slowly converting whenever an old bus dies. I think for full-time
> vehicles that consume alot of fuel, this is a great alternative. Very
> expensive overhead cost tho :( Imagine how much cleaner NYC would be if
> all the cabs ran on Hydrogen or even Hybrid?
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
agencies sponsoring the prototypes, but it presently takes about twenty
dollars worth of petroleum to produce a gallon of hydrogen:
http://www.wheels24.co.za/News24/Tec...356277,00.html
Which is of course, still much cheaper than government subsidized wind
generated power that everyone keeps harping about.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> Still waiting for the hydrogen cells to kill the gas markets. Our city is
> hellbent on investing solely on new Hydrogen Busses. We have at least 4 now
> and are slowly converting whenever an old bus dies. I think for full-time
> vehicles that consume alot of fuel, this is a great alternative. Very
> expensive overhead cost tho :( Imagine how much cleaner NYC would be if
> all the cabs ran on Hydrogen or even Hybrid?
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
11-06-2004, 04:16 AM
#35
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Posts: n/a
Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
There are hydrogen pumps all over the place, and many government
agencies sponsoring the prototypes, but it presently takes about twenty
dollars worth of petroleum to produce a gallon of hydrogen:
http://www.wheels24.co.za/News24/Tec...356277,00.html
Which is of course, still much cheaper than government subsidized wind
generated power that everyone keeps harping about.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> Still waiting for the hydrogen cells to kill the gas markets. Our city is
> hellbent on investing solely on new Hydrogen Busses. We have at least 4 now
> and are slowly converting whenever an old bus dies. I think for full-time
> vehicles that consume alot of fuel, this is a great alternative. Very
> expensive overhead cost tho :( Imagine how much cleaner NYC would be if
> all the cabs ran on Hydrogen or even Hybrid?
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
agencies sponsoring the prototypes, but it presently takes about twenty
dollars worth of petroleum to produce a gallon of hydrogen:
http://www.wheels24.co.za/News24/Tec...356277,00.html
Which is of course, still much cheaper than government subsidized wind
generated power that everyone keeps harping about.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> Still waiting for the hydrogen cells to kill the gas markets. Our city is
> hellbent on investing solely on new Hydrogen Busses. We have at least 4 now
> and are slowly converting whenever an old bus dies. I think for full-time
> vehicles that consume alot of fuel, this is a great alternative. Very
> expensive overhead cost tho :( Imagine how much cleaner NYC would be if
> all the cabs ran on Hydrogen or even Hybrid?
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
11-06-2004, 10:19 AM
#36
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
> Which is of course, still much cheaper than government subsidized wind
> generated power that everyone keeps harping about.
And just where do you get that piece of information?
It's you Kalifornians that insist that you cannot get any new sources of
electricty except from Natural Gas that is causing my gas bill to triple
from what is was 5 years ago. That works out to $1500 a year that you
are ripping off from me to support your lifestyle.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> griffin wrote:
>
>>Still waiting for the hydrogen cells to kill the gas markets. Our city is
>>hellbent on investing solely on new Hydrogen Busses. We have at least 4 now
>>and are slowly converting whenever an old bus dies. I think for full-time
>>vehicles that consume alot of fuel, this is a great alternative. Very
>>expensive overhead cost tho :( Imagine how much cleaner NYC would be if
>>all the cabs ran on Hydrogen or even Hybrid?
>>
>>--
>>griffin
>>'85 Jeep CJ-7
>>'97 Toyota Corolla SD
11-06-2004, 10:19 AM
#37
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Posts: n/a
Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
> Which is of course, still much cheaper than government subsidized wind
> generated power that everyone keeps harping about.
And just where do you get that piece of information?
It's you Kalifornians that insist that you cannot get any new sources of
electricty except from Natural Gas that is causing my gas bill to triple
from what is was 5 years ago. That works out to $1500 a year that you
are ripping off from me to support your lifestyle.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> griffin wrote:
>
>>Still waiting for the hydrogen cells to kill the gas markets. Our city is
>>hellbent on investing solely on new Hydrogen Busses. We have at least 4 now
>>and are slowly converting whenever an old bus dies. I think for full-time
>>vehicles that consume alot of fuel, this is a great alternative. Very
>>expensive overhead cost tho :( Imagine how much cleaner NYC would be if
>>all the cabs ran on Hydrogen or even Hybrid?
>>
>>--
>>griffin
>>'85 Jeep CJ-7
>>'97 Toyota Corolla SD
11-06-2004, 11:03 AM
#38
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
griffin proclaimed:
> Still waiting for the hydrogen cells to kill the gas markets. Our city is
> hellbent on investing solely on new Hydrogen Busses. We have at least 4 now
> and are slowly converting whenever an old bus dies. I think for full-time
> vehicles that consume alot of fuel, this is a great alternative. Very
> expensive overhead cost tho :( Imagine how much cleaner NYC would be if
> all the cabs ran on Hydrogen or even Hybrid?
Do your homework before you tiptoe off thru lala land. Your first
assignment is to discover where that hydrogen comes from and how it
is extracted. Then continue to discover what happens to a mixture
of hydrogen and ordinary air as the hydrogen is burned and whether
the resulting products are pure water as suggested by the scientific
illiterate or something a bit less pristine as happens in the real
world. And for the grand finale, compute the total cycle energy
costs of actually producing and distributing all that hydrogen. Then
take another look at the energy densities available with ordinary old
lowly gasoline scrubbed clean by a cat convertor.
> Still waiting for the hydrogen cells to kill the gas markets. Our city is
> hellbent on investing solely on new Hydrogen Busses. We have at least 4 now
> and are slowly converting whenever an old bus dies. I think for full-time
> vehicles that consume alot of fuel, this is a great alternative. Very
> expensive overhead cost tho :( Imagine how much cleaner NYC would be if
> all the cabs ran on Hydrogen or even Hybrid?
Do your homework before you tiptoe off thru lala land. Your first
assignment is to discover where that hydrogen comes from and how it
is extracted. Then continue to discover what happens to a mixture
of hydrogen and ordinary air as the hydrogen is burned and whether
the resulting products are pure water as suggested by the scientific
illiterate or something a bit less pristine as happens in the real
world. And for the grand finale, compute the total cycle energy
costs of actually producing and distributing all that hydrogen. Then
take another look at the energy densities available with ordinary old
lowly gasoline scrubbed clean by a cat convertor.
11-06-2004, 11:03 AM
#39
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
griffin proclaimed:
> Still waiting for the hydrogen cells to kill the gas markets. Our city is
> hellbent on investing solely on new Hydrogen Busses. We have at least 4 now
> and are slowly converting whenever an old bus dies. I think for full-time
> vehicles that consume alot of fuel, this is a great alternative. Very
> expensive overhead cost tho :( Imagine how much cleaner NYC would be if
> all the cabs ran on Hydrogen or even Hybrid?
Do your homework before you tiptoe off thru lala land. Your first
assignment is to discover where that hydrogen comes from and how it
is extracted. Then continue to discover what happens to a mixture
of hydrogen and ordinary air as the hydrogen is burned and whether
the resulting products are pure water as suggested by the scientific
illiterate or something a bit less pristine as happens in the real
world. And for the grand finale, compute the total cycle energy
costs of actually producing and distributing all that hydrogen. Then
take another look at the energy densities available with ordinary old
lowly gasoline scrubbed clean by a cat convertor.
> Still waiting for the hydrogen cells to kill the gas markets. Our city is
> hellbent on investing solely on new Hydrogen Busses. We have at least 4 now
> and are slowly converting whenever an old bus dies. I think for full-time
> vehicles that consume alot of fuel, this is a great alternative. Very
> expensive overhead cost tho :( Imagine how much cleaner NYC would be if
> all the cabs ran on Hydrogen or even Hybrid?
Do your homework before you tiptoe off thru lala land. Your first
assignment is to discover where that hydrogen comes from and how it
is extracted. Then continue to discover what happens to a mixture
of hydrogen and ordinary air as the hydrogen is burned and whether
the resulting products are pure water as suggested by the scientific
illiterate or something a bit less pristine as happens in the real
world. And for the grand finale, compute the total cycle energy
costs of actually producing and distributing all that hydrogen. Then
take another look at the energy densities available with ordinary old
lowly gasoline scrubbed clean by a cat convertor.
11-06-2004, 11:07 AM
#40
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
RoyJ proclaimed:
>
>> Which is of course, still much cheaper than government subsidized wind
>> generated power that everyone keeps harping about.
>
>
> And just where do you get that piece of information?
My guess would be from actual data sources unencumbered by wishful
thinking. And a bit of actually estimating the real energy
available from a wind farm as opposed to the values pulled
totally from the rear ends of scientifically ignorant econazis.
>
> It's you Kalifornians that insist that you cannot get any new sources of
> electricty except from Natural Gas that is causing my gas bill to triple
> from what is was 5 years ago. That works out to $1500 a year that you
> are ripping off from me to support your lifestyle.
Bummer. You could always go for nuclear power, one of the few power
sources superior to natural gas...however the actual supplies of
ordinary old methane along any suboceanic coast are simply freakingly
overwhelming to contemplate. Look up clathrates.
>
>> Which is of course, still much cheaper than government subsidized wind
>> generated power that everyone keeps harping about.
>
>
> And just where do you get that piece of information?
My guess would be from actual data sources unencumbered by wishful
thinking. And a bit of actually estimating the real energy
available from a wind farm as opposed to the values pulled
totally from the rear ends of scientifically ignorant econazis.
>
> It's you Kalifornians that insist that you cannot get any new sources of
> electricty except from Natural Gas that is causing my gas bill to triple
> from what is was 5 years ago. That works out to $1500 a year that you
> are ripping off from me to support your lifestyle.
Bummer. You could always go for nuclear power, one of the few power
sources superior to natural gas...however the actual supplies of
ordinary old methane along any suboceanic coast are simply freakingly
overwhelming to contemplate. Look up clathrates.
