Retiredff

"Snow" <snowbalspam@spamrogersspam.com> wrote in message
news:rqVMa.34831$a51.8560@news02.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> It is now the policy that the only time a cop or ambulance will be
> dispatched to an accident is if there is either people trapped in cars,
> suitable amount of blood, fire trucks requested, intersections or roads
> (highways) blocked

That has got to be the most stupid, ignorant, asinine thing I've read in a
long time. Mike's accident proves it.

EMS providers, whether they are Firefighters, EMT's, or Paramedics, are
trained to look for mechanism of injury. Many times, injuries will remain
hidden, and just because you feel good after an accident, it doesn't mean
you don't have a serious, or possibly life-threatening injury.

Turn your head the wrong way, and that fractured neck that wasn't bothering
you suddenly paralyses you for life. That bleeding internal organ that you
can't feel causes you to suddenly collapse and die.

You guys need to start fighting that kind of crap.

Larry

Thom

Get better soon, but recover completely. Reoccurrences are a bitch.

Luck,
Thom.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F0368AD.F39A7C81@sympatico.ca...
> Thank you all for the best wishes.
>
> Man, it is going to be one long boring summer.....
>
> Off roading with a compressed vertebra in my neck is kinda out... :-(
>
> And it isn't going to be fun for a month or more until I find out what
> the internal damage is for sure. The MRI is going to take weeks to set
> up it would seem.
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Well, I appear to be in some fairly serious trouble here.
> >
> > It would appear that I got my head bounced pretty bad as passenger
> > three weeks ago.
> >
> > The reason I was a passenger is because I had a cut on my cornea and
> > just came back from the doctor with a patch on and was in screaming
> > pain, even with a lot of pain pills in me so was in no condition to
> > drive. Likely I could have even broken my leg and not felt it at that
> > time.
> >
> > We were turning right on a small residential road in front of my house
> > into a driveway and some fool in a Honda thought it would be cool to
> > show off for the Russian chicks with him and tried to pass us on the
> > right.
> >
> > He hit hard enough to need a tow away.
> >
> > Jerk T-boned us and I was the passenger....
> >
> > I 'knew' my leg got hit, but had no idea the severity or lack of at the
> > time.
> >
> > Knee and ankle are messed up.
> >
> > Don't 'really' remember if my head got bounced or not. Vague memory of
> > moving fast that way maybe, but I think the knee got hit first, so my
> > attention was there.
> >
> > The clinic I went to finally had my neck x-rayed last week, the leg was
> > the first priority and phoned yesterday to have me come in, so I
> > intended on going in today as they were open and the same doctor was on.
> >
> > I didn't make it....
> >
> > I was going for a shower and reached in with my left hand to check the
> > water and my complete upper back nerve set seized up on the left side
> > and half seized on the right side from the neck to the solar plexus.
> >
> > I couldn't inhale using my chest. Still as I write this I can barely
> > use my chest to breath. I still don't know how or if I am going to
> > sleep tonight....
> >
> > It took me a half hour to crawl to the phone and just as I got there it
> > rang. My wife who very seldom 'ever' calls home from work was on it,
> > she knows I don't usually answer, it's always for the kid on weekends
> > and holidays like today was.
> >
> > We 'connect' sometimes, always have.... Pretty cool.
> >
> > Rather than call 911, she came home from work which is real close and we
> > managed to get me into the Cherokee.
> >
> > We went to Emergency at a local hospital.
> >
> > They did a second set of neck x-rays in different positions after
> > phoning the clinic for the results of the first set and the complete
> > back and found a curve in one place in my neck that 'isn't' supposed to
> > be
> > there so I have to go back tomorrow for a CT scan on my neck. Could be
> > a fracture the xray doesn't see is what the doctor told me.
> >
> > I am in a solid foam neck brace until further notice.
> >
> > Because of the headache I have had since the accident and still having a
> > high light sensitivity in my eyes, they did a CT scan on my head.
> >
> > They found internal damage with the CT scan... Damn!
> >
> > They are setting up an appointment with a neurologist and sending me for
> > an MRI scan ASAP using the 'emergency' department priority. The Doc
> > said that would be the fastest. Hope so.
> >
> > My scalp and outer skull are still physically 'very' sore to the touch
> > in the center right area three weeks later. About where the door post
> > of the car would have connected.
> >
> > It wasn't a fun day today.... I spent 12 hours in Emergency having to
> > wear a mask because of SARS and in a neck brace, not being able to
> > breathe to start with, in freaking screaming pain bad enough I couldn't
> > inhale and they wouldn't allow pain pills. Got out at 1:00 AM or so...
> >
> > Tomorrow is also going to be a long one.
> >
> > Crap!
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

CJimmie in Iowa

Mike: I'm sorry to here about your accident; I hope that you have just a
very minimal amount of pain and problems. I've had my share of close ones'
so I know some of what your going through. I hope you do come out fine. My
best wish's go out to you and your family. Good Luck!!
Jeep
Jimmie ; Jeep O|||||||O Jeep


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F03D513.5A5EFD97@sympatico.ca...
> Thanks Carlo.
>
> You are right, it could be way worse.
>
> If they stick me on any drug or anything, I will for sure ask.
>
> They don't want me on anything stronger than advil or tylenol right now.
>
> Mike
>
> "Carlo Jr." wrote:
> >
> > Hey........
> > the fact that you are able to type this post is sort of good news. As
> > everyone else, am hoping for a successful recovery. This is not the time
to
> > rush things - do it right the first time. You have my e-mail address. If
I
> > can be of any assistance info-wise - don't hesitate. I'm a pharmacist -
not
> > a doctor - but I have access to professional literature, friends, etc -
If I
> > don't know it, I'll do my best to find it.
> >
> > --
> > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > carlo.jr@comcast.net
> > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > O|||||||O
> > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F029F42.E4808562@sympatico.ca...
> > > Well, I appear to be in some fairly serious trouble here.
> > >
> > > It would appear that I got my head bounced pretty bad as passenger
> > > three weeks ago.
> > >
> > > The reason I was a passenger is because I had a cut on my cornea and
> > > just came back from the doctor with a patch on and was in screaming
> > > pain, even with a lot of pain pills in me so was in no condition to
> > > drive. Likely I could have even broken my leg and not felt it at that
> > > time.
> > >
> > > We were turning right on a small residential road in front of my house
> > > into a driveway and some fool in a Honda thought it would be cool to
> > > show off for the Russian chicks with him and tried to pass us on the
> > > right.
> > >
> > > He hit hard enough to need a tow away.
> > >
> > > Jerk T-boned us and I was the passenger....
> > >
> > > I 'knew' my leg got hit, but had no idea the severity or lack of at
the
> > > time.
> > >
> > > Knee and ankle are messed up.
> > >
> > > Don't 'really' remember if my head got bounced or not. Vague memory
of
> > > moving fast that way maybe, but I think the knee got hit first, so my
> > > attention was there.
> > >
> > > The clinic I went to finally had my neck x-rayed last week, the leg
was
> > > the first priority and phoned yesterday to have me come in, so I
> > > intended on going in today as they were open and the same doctor was
on.
> > >
> > > I didn't make it....
> > >
> > > I was going for a shower and reached in with my left hand to check the
> > > water and my complete upper back nerve set seized up on the left side
> > > and half seized on the right side from the neck to the solar plexus.
> > >
> > > I couldn't inhale using my chest. Still as I write this I can barely
> > > use my chest to breath. I still don't know how or if I am going to
> > > sleep tonight....
> > >
> > > It took me a half hour to crawl to the phone and just as I got there
it
> > > rang. My wife who very seldom 'ever' calls home from work was on it,
> > > she knows I don't usually answer, it's always for the kid on weekends
> > > and holidays like today was.
> > >
> > > We 'connect' sometimes, always have.... Pretty cool.
> > >
> > > Rather than call 911, she came home from work which is real close and
we
> > > managed to get me into the Cherokee.
> > >
> > > We went to Emergency at a local hospital.
> > >
> > > They did a second set of neck x-rays in different positions after
> > > phoning the clinic for the results of the first set and the complete
> > > back and found a curve in one place in my neck that 'isn't' supposed
to
> > > be
> > > there so I have to go back tomorrow for a CT scan on my neck. Could
be
> > > a fracture the xray doesn't see is what the doctor told me.
> > >
> > > I am in a solid foam neck brace until further notice.
> > >
> > > Because of the headache I have had since the accident and still having
a
> > > high light sensitivity in my eyes, they did a CT scan on my head.
> > >
> > > They found internal damage with the CT scan... Damn!
> > >
> > > They are setting up an appointment with a neurologist and sending me
for
> > > an MRI scan ASAP using the 'emergency' department priority. The Doc
> > > said that would be the fastest. Hope so.
> > >
> > > My scalp and outer skull are still physically 'very' sore to the touch
> > > in the center right area three weeks later. About where the door post
> > > of the car would have connected.
> > >
> > > It wasn't a fun day today.... I spent 12 hours in Emergency having to
> > > wear a mask because of SARS and in a neck brace, not being able to
> > > breathe to start with, in freaking screaming pain bad enough I
couldn't
> > > inhale and they wouldn't allow pain pills. Got out at 1:00 AM or
so...
> > >
> > > Tomorrow is also going to be a long one.
> > >
> > > Crap!
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME

Prayers for a fast (and more important... complete) recovery.




"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F029F42.E4808562@sympatico.ca...
> Well, I appear to be in some fairly serious trouble here.
>
> It would appear that I got my head bounced pretty bad as passenger
> three weeks ago.
>
> The reason I was a passenger is because I had a cut on my cornea and
> just came back from the doctor with a patch on and was in screaming
> pain, even with a lot of pain pills in me so was in no condition to
> drive. Likely I could have even broken my leg and not felt it at that
> time.
>
> We were turning right on a small residential road in front of my house
> into a driveway and some fool in a Honda thought it would be cool to
> show off for the Russian chicks with him and tried to pass us on the
> right.
>
> He hit hard enough to need a tow away.
>
> Jerk T-boned us and I was the passenger....
>
> I 'knew' my leg got hit, but had no idea the severity or lack of at the
> time.
>
> Knee and ankle are messed up.
>
> Don't 'really' remember if my head got bounced or not. Vague memory of
> moving fast that way maybe, but I think the knee got hit first, so my
> attention was there.
>
> The clinic I went to finally had my neck x-rayed last week, the leg was
> the first priority and phoned yesterday to have me come in, so I
> intended on going in today as they were open and the same doctor was on.
>
> I didn't make it....
>
> I was going for a shower and reached in with my left hand to check the
> water and my complete upper back nerve set seized up on the left side
> and half seized on the right side from the neck to the solar plexus.
>
> I couldn't inhale using my chest. Still as I write this I can barely
> use my chest to breath. I still don't know how or if I am going to
> sleep tonight....
>
> It took me a half hour to crawl to the phone and just as I got there it
> rang. My wife who very seldom 'ever' calls home from work was on it,
> she knows I don't usually answer, it's always for the kid on weekends
> and holidays like today was.
>
> We 'connect' sometimes, always have.... Pretty cool.
>
> Rather than call 911, she came home from work which is real close and we
> managed to get me into the Cherokee.
>
> We went to Emergency at a local hospital.
>
> They did a second set of neck x-rays in different positions after
> phoning the clinic for the results of the first set and the complete
> back and found a curve in one place in my neck that 'isn't' supposed to
> be
> there so I have to go back tomorrow for a CT scan on my neck. Could be
> a fracture the xray doesn't see is what the doctor told me.
>
> I am in a solid foam neck brace until further notice.
>
> Because of the headache I have had since the accident and still having a
> high light sensitivity in my eyes, they did a CT scan on my head.
>
> They found internal damage with the CT scan... Damn!
>
> They are setting up an appointment with a neurologist and sending me for
> an MRI scan ASAP using the 'emergency' department priority. The Doc
> said that would be the fastest. Hope so.
>
> My scalp and outer skull are still physically 'very' sore to the touch
> in the center right area three weeks later. About where the door post
> of the car would have connected.
>
> It wasn't a fun day today.... I spent 12 hours in Emergency having to
> wear a mask because of SARS and in a neck brace, not being able to
> breathe to start with, in freaking screaming pain bad enough I couldn't
> inhale and they wouldn't allow pain pills. Got out at 1:00 AM or so...
>
> Tomorrow is also going to be a long one.
>
> Crap!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jo

I agree.

My better half, who is trained in first aid as a second level bts in St.
John Ambulance (whatever it all means, he knows his ----). Anyway, when
Mike told him some of the symptoms Steve diagnosed it immediately as a head
injury. I can't imagine how Mike has been functioning, but this BS about no
one attending the scene could have saved him so much pain/damage/anxiety,
and I agree that if the worst had happened it would be the direct cause of a
faulty bureaucracy. Well, that and the -----for-brains selfish ------- that
hit him by passing on the F&(KING RIGHT! I wish I knew who it was. Do you
know, Mike?

Jo
"Retiredff" <lbatter@bogfeet.net> wrote in message
news:n%VMa.76516$Io.7149884@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
>
> "Snow" <snowbalspam@spamrogersspam.com> wrote in message
> news:rqVMa.34831$a51.8560@news02.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > It is now the policy that the only time a cop or ambulance will be
> > dispatched to an accident is if there is either people trapped in cars,
> > suitable amount of blood, fire trucks requested, intersections or roads
> > (highways) blocked
>
> That has got to be the most stupid, ignorant, asinine thing I've read in a
> long time. Mike's accident proves it.
>
> EMS providers, whether they are Firefighters, EMT's, or Paramedics, are
> trained to look for mechanism of injury. Many times, injuries will remain
> hidden, and just because you feel good after an accident, it doesn't mean
> you don't have a serious, or possibly life-threatening injury.
>
> Turn your head the wrong way, and that fractured neck that wasn't
bothering
> you suddenly paralyses you for life. That bleeding internal organ that you
> can't feel causes you to suddenly collapse and die.
>
> You guys need to start fighting that kind of crap.
>
> Larry
>
>

Mike Romain

You are right Jo.

Even when I went to the doctor/clinic the next morning they missed the
head and neck injury totally. They were of the 'wait and see'
mentality. Only after having me continue and continue to complain of
the stiff neck and one arm going 'dead' for two weeks did they send me
for neck x-rays and even then the doctor didn't take my headache
seriously.

When I couldn't breath and my arm turned purple and was taken to
emergency, 'That' doctor believed me and went nuts on me and checked
everything out.

Some of these doctors are sometimes in too much of a hurry to bother to
really listen.

An EMT would have been a lot more likely to have checked me out on the
scene after seeing the vehicle damage and angle of hit from what I know
of them and from the few I known personally like Steve. I have seen
Steve in action on our bush runs and he would have been all over me.

And yes, I did get the fool who hit me's name.

Mike

Jo wrote:
>
> I agree.
>
> My better half, who is trained in first aid as a second level bts in St.
> John Ambulance (whatever it all means, he knows his ----). Anyway, when
> Mike told him some of the symptoms Steve diagnosed it immediately as a head
> injury. I can't imagine how Mike has been functioning, but this BS about no
> one attending the scene could have saved him so much pain/damage/anxiety,
> and I agree that if the worst had happened it would be the direct cause of a
> faulty bureaucracy. Well, that and the -----for-brains selfish ------- that
> hit him by passing on the F&(KING RIGHT! I wish I knew who it was. Do you
> know, Mike?
>
> Jo
> "Retiredff" <lbatter@bogfeet.net> wrote in message
> news:n%VMa.76516$Io.7149884@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> >
> > "Snow" <snowbalspam@spamrogersspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:rqVMa.34831$a51.8560@news02.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > It is now the policy that the only time a cop or ambulance will be
> > > dispatched to an accident is if there is either people trapped in cars,
> > > suitable amount of blood, fire trucks requested, intersections or roads
> > > (highways) blocked
> >
> > That has got to be the most stupid, ignorant, asinine thing I've read in a
> > long time. Mike's accident proves it.
> >
> > EMS providers, whether they are Firefighters, EMT's, or Paramedics, are
> > trained to look for mechanism of injury. Many times, injuries will remain
> > hidden, and just because you feel good after an accident, it doesn't mean
> > you don't have a serious, or possibly life-threatening injury.
> >
> > Turn your head the wrong way, and that fractured neck that wasn't
> bothering
> > you suddenly paralyses you for life. That bleeding internal organ that you
> > can't feel causes you to suddenly collapse and die.
> >
> > You guys need to start fighting that kind of crap.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >

Jo

are you home tomorrow?

Pardon me, stupid question. I mean, where are you going to go with a busted
head, anyway?

Can you still drink beer????


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F06E50A.8A0453AD@sympatico.ca...
> You are right Jo.
>
> Even when I went to the doctor/clinic the next morning they missed the
> head and neck injury totally. They were of the 'wait and see'
> mentality. Only after having me continue and continue to complain of
> the stiff neck and one arm going 'dead' for two weeks did they send me
> for neck x-rays and even then the doctor didn't take my headache
> seriously.
>
> When I couldn't breath and my arm turned purple and was taken to
> emergency, 'That' doctor believed me and went nuts on me and checked
> everything out.
>
> Some of these doctors are sometimes in too much of a hurry to bother to
> really listen.
>
> An EMT would have been a lot more likely to have checked me out on the
> scene after seeing the vehicle damage and angle of hit from what I know
> of them and from the few I known personally like Steve. I have seen
> Steve in action on our bush runs and he would have been all over me.
>
> And yes, I did get the fool who hit me's name.
>
> Mike
>
> Jo wrote:
> >
> > I agree.
> >
> > My better half, who is trained in first aid as a second level bts in St.
> > John Ambulance (whatever it all means, he knows his ----). Anyway, when
> > Mike told him some of the symptoms Steve diagnosed it immediately as a
head
> > injury. I can't imagine how Mike has been functioning, but this BS
about no
> > one attending the scene could have saved him so much
pain/damage/anxiety,
> > and I agree that if the worst had happened it would be the direct cause
of a
> > faulty bureaucracy. Well, that and the -----for-brains selfish -------
that
> > hit him by passing on the F&(KING RIGHT! I wish I knew who it was. Do
you
> > know, Mike?
> >
> > Jo
> > "Retiredff" <lbatter@bogfeet.net> wrote in message
> > news:n%VMa.76516$Io.7149884@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> > >
> > > "Snow" <snowbalspam@spamrogersspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:rqVMa.34831$a51.8560@news02.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > It is now the policy that the only time a cop or ambulance will be
> > > > dispatched to an accident is if there is either people trapped in
cars,
> > > > suitable amount of blood, fire trucks requested, intersections or
roads
> > > > (highways) blocked
> > >
> > > That has got to be the most stupid, ignorant, asinine thing I've read
in a
> > > long time. Mike's accident proves it.
> > >
> > > EMS providers, whether they are Firefighters, EMT's, or Paramedics,
are
> > > trained to look for mechanism of injury. Many times, injuries will
remain
> > > hidden, and just because you feel good after an accident, it doesn't
mean
> > > you don't have a serious, or possibly life-threatening injury.
> > >
> > > Turn your head the wrong way, and that fractured neck that wasn't
> > bothering
> > > you suddenly paralyses you for life. That bleeding internal organ that
you
> > > can't feel causes you to suddenly collapse and die.
> > >
> > > You guys need to start fighting that kind of crap.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > >

Mike Romain

I will be around. As you say, not going anywhere in any hurry.

And yes, I can still drink beer, Doc didn't say not to, just can't
afford to until the insurance starts sending me some money in a couple
weeks....

Mike

Jo wrote:
>
> are you home tomorrow?
>
> Pardon me, stupid question. I mean, where are you going to go with a busted
> head, anyway?
>
> Can you still drink beer????
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F06E50A.8A0453AD@sympatico.ca...
> > You are right Jo.
> >
> > Even when I went to the doctor/clinic the next morning they missed the
> > head and neck injury totally. They were of the 'wait and see'
> > mentality. Only after having me continue and continue to complain of
> > the stiff neck and one arm going 'dead' for two weeks did they send me
> > for neck x-rays and even then the doctor didn't take my headache
> > seriously.
> >
> > When I couldn't breath and my arm turned purple and was taken to
> > emergency, 'That' doctor believed me and went nuts on me and checked
> > everything out.
> >
> > Some of these doctors are sometimes in too much of a hurry to bother to
> > really listen.
> >
> > An EMT would have been a lot more likely to have checked me out on the
> > scene after seeing the vehicle damage and angle of hit from what I know
> > of them and from the few I known personally like Steve. I have seen
> > Steve in action on our bush runs and he would have been all over me.
> >
> > And yes, I did get the fool who hit me's name.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Jo wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree.
> > >
> > > My better half, who is trained in first aid as a second level bts in St.
> > > John Ambulance (whatever it all means, he knows his ----). Anyway, when
> > > Mike told him some of the symptoms Steve diagnosed it immediately as a
> head
> > > injury. I can't imagine how Mike has been functioning, but this BS
> about no
> > > one attending the scene could have saved him so much
> pain/damage/anxiety,
> > > and I agree that if the worst had happened it would be the direct cause
> of a
> > > faulty bureaucracy. Well, that and the -----for-brains selfish -------
> that
> > > hit him by passing on the F&(KING RIGHT! I wish I knew who it was. Do
> you
> > > know, Mike?
> > >
> > > Jo
> > > "Retiredff" <lbatter@bogfeet.net> wrote in message
> > > news:n%VMa.76516$Io.7149884@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> > > >
> > > > "Snow" <snowbalspam@spamrogersspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:rqVMa.34831$a51.8560@news02.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > > It is now the policy that the only time a cop or ambulance will be
> > > > > dispatched to an accident is if there is either people trapped in
> cars,
> > > > > suitable amount of blood, fire trucks requested, intersections or
> roads
> > > > > (highways) blocked
> > > >
> > > > That has got to be the most stupid, ignorant, asinine thing I've read
> in a
> > > > long time. Mike's accident proves it.
> > > >
> > > > EMS providers, whether they are Firefighters, EMT's, or Paramedics,
> are
> > > > trained to look for mechanism of injury. Many times, injuries will
> remain
> > > > hidden, and just because you feel good after an accident, it doesn't
> mean
> > > > you don't have a serious, or possibly life-threatening injury.
> > > >
> > > > Turn your head the wrong way, and that fractured neck that wasn't
> > > bothering
> > > > you suddenly paralyses you for life. That bleeding internal organ that
> you
> > > > can't feel causes you to suddenly collapse and die.
> > > >
> > > > You guys need to start fighting that kind of crap.
> > > >
> > > > Larry
> > > >
> > > >

Matt Macchiarolo

Get well soon Mike...
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Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
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Jo

hee heeee.....hopefully the beers will help, eh mike?
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> Get well soon Mike...
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