Earle Horton <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:

> "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:B3z8g.32$YY4.19364@news.uswest.net...
> > "Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:9sd562lro9d906r3s18hvkdvcbcm9is1ei@4ax.com...
> > > I had a house with 2 geothermal heat pumps previously... Worked great
> > > at basically sea level and along the Gulf Coast... Electrical costs
> > > seemed quite a bit less than other houses that I've owned...
> > > Unfortunately, it's an apples to oranges type of comparison since the
> > > houses weren't identical...
> >
> > doesnt matter, ground source is the most efficient way to heat and cool
> > your home. its free heat/cooling and will work well in all but the
> > harshest of climates. its very common in rural montana (with electric
> > suppliment for the coldest days) where getting propane delivered is
> > expensive.
> >
> This stuff isn't quite free, unless the electricity for the pump and/or
> compressor is also free.

I used to own one. The system is costly upfront; it's a complex system.

Then the ground loop sprung a leak, and the cost to dig up the yard and
repair it wiped out 10 or 20 years of savings.

 

Earle Horton <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:

> "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:B3z8g.32$YY4.19364@news.uswest.net...
> > "Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:9sd562lro9d906r3s18hvkdvcbcm9is1ei@4ax.com...
> > > I had a house with 2 geothermal heat pumps previously... Worked great
> > > at basically sea level and along the Gulf Coast... Electrical costs
> > > seemed quite a bit less than other houses that I've owned...
> > > Unfortunately, it's an apples to oranges type of comparison since the
> > > houses weren't identical...
> >
> > doesnt matter, ground source is the most efficient way to heat and cool
> > your home. its free heat/cooling and will work well in all but the
> > harshest of climates. its very common in rural montana (with electric
> > suppliment for the coldest days) where getting propane delivered is
> > expensive.
> >
> This stuff isn't quite free, unless the electricity for the pump and/or
> compressor is also free.

I used to own one. The system is costly upfront; it's a complex system.

Then the ground loop sprung a leak, and the cost to dig up the yard and
repair it wiped out 10 or 20 years of savings.

 

Earle Horton <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:

> "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:B3z8g.32$YY4.19364@news.uswest.net...
> > "Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:9sd562lro9d906r3s18hvkdvcbcm9is1ei@4ax.com...
> > > I had a house with 2 geothermal heat pumps previously... Worked great
> > > at basically sea level and along the Gulf Coast... Electrical costs
> > > seemed quite a bit less than other houses that I've owned...
> > > Unfortunately, it's an apples to oranges type of comparison since the
> > > houses weren't identical...
> >
> > doesnt matter, ground source is the most efficient way to heat and cool
> > your home. its free heat/cooling and will work well in all but the
> > harshest of climates. its very common in rural montana (with electric
> > suppliment for the coldest days) where getting propane delivered is
> > expensive.
> >
> This stuff isn't quite free, unless the electricity for the pump and/or
> compressor is also free.

I used to own one. The system is costly upfront; it's a complex system.

Then the ground loop sprung a leak, and the cost to dig up the yard and
repair it wiped out 10 or 20 years of savings.

 

On Fri, 12 May 2006 23:03:31 -0400, re_j99@hotmail.com (RJ) wrote:
> I used to own one. The system is costly upfront; it's a complex system.
>
> Then the ground loop sprung a leak, and the cost to dig up the yard and
> repair it wiped out 10 or 20 years of savings.

Mine wasn't a ground loop... It just pumped water out of the 1100 ft
well and used that as a heat transfer mechanism for the heat pump
instead of air blowing across it like a normal outside unit would
have... The water was fed into some PVC pipe with some sprinkler heads
on it... I could tell when the system was running while I was outside
by whether the sprinklers were working... If both units were running,
the sprinklers were flowing even more water... It was a pretty simple
system...

 

On Fri, 12 May 2006 23:03:31 -0400, re_j99@hotmail.com (RJ) wrote:
> I used to own one. The system is costly upfront; it's a complex system.
>
> Then the ground loop sprung a leak, and the cost to dig up the yard and
> repair it wiped out 10 or 20 years of savings.

Mine wasn't a ground loop... It just pumped water out of the 1100 ft
well and used that as a heat transfer mechanism for the heat pump
instead of air blowing across it like a normal outside unit would
have... The water was fed into some PVC pipe with some sprinkler heads
on it... I could tell when the system was running while I was outside
by whether the sprinklers were working... If both units were running,
the sprinklers were flowing even more water... It was a pretty simple
system...

 

On Fri, 12 May 2006 23:03:31 -0400, re_j99@hotmail.com (RJ) wrote:
> I used to own one. The system is costly upfront; it's a complex system.
>
> Then the ground loop sprung a leak, and the cost to dig up the yard and
> repair it wiped out 10 or 20 years of savings.

Mine wasn't a ground loop... It just pumped water out of the 1100 ft
well and used that as a heat transfer mechanism for the heat pump
instead of air blowing across it like a normal outside unit would
have... The water was fed into some PVC pipe with some sprinkler heads
on it... I could tell when the system was running while I was outside
by whether the sprinklers were working... If both units were running,
the sprinklers were flowing even more water... It was a pretty simple
system...

 

The problem with most kalifornicators in general is that they don't want
to or don't know how to go native. First thing that happens when someone
moves in to a rural area is that they wonder why the garbage service did
not pick up their crap. The idea of a "dump run" is just not even
conceivable... Next thing you know, they've turned what was once a nice
place to live into f'ing LA.

/herb

In article <d4edneO8wdnD2vjZRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote:
#Think that was the case in a couple of the towns along old highway 6 in
#that area. Towns populated mostly by unwanted newly arrived
#kalifornicators.
#
#L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
#
#> I remember it was against the law to burn wood in your own
#> fireplace in Aspen, beginning in the early sixties, a friend that lives
#> there told me.
#> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
#> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
#>
#> Herb Leong wrote:
#>
#>>That reminds me, several of my in-laws have catalytic converters
#>>in their fireplace chimneys. You pull out a bypass rod until the
#>>fire is hot enough and then push it back in when the temp sensing
#>>fan starts up. The smoke goes to zilch. I wonder how well it
#>>would work with unseasoned wood.
#>>
#>>/herb

 

The problem with most kalifornicators in general is that they don't want
to or don't know how to go native. First thing that happens when someone
moves in to a rural area is that they wonder why the garbage service did
not pick up their crap. The idea of a "dump run" is just not even
conceivable... Next thing you know, they've turned what was once a nice
place to live into f'ing LA.

/herb

In article <d4edneO8wdnD2vjZRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote:
#Think that was the case in a couple of the towns along old highway 6 in
#that area. Towns populated mostly by unwanted newly arrived
#kalifornicators.
#
#L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
#
#> I remember it was against the law to burn wood in your own
#> fireplace in Aspen, beginning in the early sixties, a friend that lives
#> there told me.
#> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
#> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
#>
#> Herb Leong wrote:
#>
#>>That reminds me, several of my in-laws have catalytic converters
#>>in their fireplace chimneys. You pull out a bypass rod until the
#>>fire is hot enough and then push it back in when the temp sensing
#>>fan starts up. The smoke goes to zilch. I wonder how well it
#>>would work with unseasoned wood.
#>>
#>>/herb

 

The problem with most kalifornicators in general is that they don't want
to or don't know how to go native. First thing that happens when someone
moves in to a rural area is that they wonder why the garbage service did
not pick up their crap. The idea of a "dump run" is just not even
conceivable... Next thing you know, they've turned what was once a nice
place to live into f'ing LA.

/herb

In article <d4edneO8wdnD2vjZRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote:
#Think that was the case in a couple of the towns along old highway 6 in
#that area. Towns populated mostly by unwanted newly arrived
#kalifornicators.
#
#L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
#
#> I remember it was against the law to burn wood in your own
#> fireplace in Aspen, beginning in the early sixties, a friend that lives
#> there told me.
#> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
#> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
#>
#> Herb Leong wrote:
#>
#>>That reminds me, several of my in-laws have catalytic converters
#>>in their fireplace chimneys. You pull out a bypass rod until the
#>>fire is hot enough and then push it back in when the temp sensing
#>>fan starts up. The smoke goes to zilch. I wonder how well it
#>>would work with unseasoned wood.
#>>
#>>/herb

 

Herb Leong wrote:
> The problem with most kalifornicators in general is that they don't want
> to or don't know how to go native. First thing that happens when someone
> moves in to a rural area is that they wonder why the garbage service did
> not pick up their crap. The idea of a "dump run" is just not even
> conceivable... Next thing you know, they've turned what was once a nice
> place to live into f'ing LA.
>
> /herb
>
> In article <d4edneO8wdnD2vjZRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
> Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote:
> #Think that was the case in a couple of the towns along old highway 6 in
> #that area. Towns populated mostly by unwanted newly arrived
> #kalifornicators.
> #
> #L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> #
> #> I remember it was against the law to burn wood in your own
> #> fireplace in Aspen, beginning in the early sixties, a friend that lives
> #> there told me.
> #> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> #> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> #>
> #> Herb Leong wrote:
> #>
> #>>That reminds me, several of my in-laws have catalytic converters
> #>>in their fireplace chimneys. You pull out a bypass rod until the
> #>>fire is hot enough and then push it back in when the temp sensing
> #>>fan starts up. The smoke goes to zilch. I wonder how well it
> #>>would work with unseasoned wood.
> #>>
> #>>/herb
>
>
Somebody say "dump run"? Coincidentally today's the day :-)

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FRH