OT BioDiesel
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Re: OT BioDiesel
Everybody turns down the damper so that the flame will last all night, not
just yuppies. And not everyone can get decent fuel. Out here, people call
aspen "hardwood" and mostly burn fir. There is no substitute for annual
inspection of any wood burning flue. Oak and black locust, free for the
taking at the orchard I used to work for, I miss that.
Earle
"billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
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> Mainly yuppies who don't know how to burn cleanly or properly select
> seasoned wood.
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:L5adnWWX7Ol0Pf_ZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > Oil burners were way cleaner than burning uncured softwoods in furnaces,
> > fireplaces, room stoves, etc. Rarely did our local fire department get
a
> > chimney fire call for oil burning houses, but wood burning ones happened
> > all the time. In a year, a big wood furnace would put about an inch of
> > gunk on the inside of the chimney.
> >
> > billy ray proclaimed:
> >
> >> That is why you had to clean your furnace and chimney annually.
> >>
> >> Safety isn't rocket science, it is common sense.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:Peadnf2G8YPQBf_ZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>
> >>>XS11E proclaimed:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in
> >>>>news:44615d08$0$6055$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanew s.com:
> >>>>
> >>>>>When I was young and foolish, I bought plans for a home sized used
> >>>>>motor oil furnace, from the Mother Earth News. My eyes bugged out
> >>>>>of my head when I read them. You were supposed to use a manual
> >>>>>valve and a home made "nozzle", to control the drip rate of the
> >>>>>oil, as it dropped on pieces of fire brick, placed on a burner,
> >>>>>made out of a frying pan. You got the fire going with kerosene or
> >>>>>barbecue lighter fluid. I am still alive. That means I must not
> >>>>>have made the thing.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>If you had made it, it would have worked. Years back we had a
> >>>>commercial fuel oil heater made exactly as you describe, it worked to
> >>>>perfection and heated one end of our house, the wood stove in the
> >>>>kitchen heated the other end. Unlike the one you describe, ours did
> >>>>have a fairly elaborate chimmney to exhaust the fumes.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>The better old burners had forced air to keep a smaller flame hotter
with
> >>>less soot. Bummer but all used motor oil has a pretty good load of
sulfur
> >>>in it.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
just yuppies. And not everyone can get decent fuel. Out here, people call
aspen "hardwood" and mostly burn fir. There is no substitute for annual
inspection of any wood burning flue. Oak and black locust, free for the
taking at the orchard I used to work for, I miss that.
Earle
"billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
news:3f7ad$4462a288$48311525$2958@FUSE.NET...
> Mainly yuppies who don't know how to burn cleanly or properly select
> seasoned wood.
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:L5adnWWX7Ol0Pf_ZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > Oil burners were way cleaner than burning uncured softwoods in furnaces,
> > fireplaces, room stoves, etc. Rarely did our local fire department get
a
> > chimney fire call for oil burning houses, but wood burning ones happened
> > all the time. In a year, a big wood furnace would put about an inch of
> > gunk on the inside of the chimney.
> >
> > billy ray proclaimed:
> >
> >> That is why you had to clean your furnace and chimney annually.
> >>
> >> Safety isn't rocket science, it is common sense.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:Peadnf2G8YPQBf_ZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>
> >>>XS11E proclaimed:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in
> >>>>news:44615d08$0$6055$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanew s.com:
> >>>>
> >>>>>When I was young and foolish, I bought plans for a home sized used
> >>>>>motor oil furnace, from the Mother Earth News. My eyes bugged out
> >>>>>of my head when I read them. You were supposed to use a manual
> >>>>>valve and a home made "nozzle", to control the drip rate of the
> >>>>>oil, as it dropped on pieces of fire brick, placed on a burner,
> >>>>>made out of a frying pan. You got the fire going with kerosene or
> >>>>>barbecue lighter fluid. I am still alive. That means I must not
> >>>>>have made the thing.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>If you had made it, it would have worked. Years back we had a
> >>>>commercial fuel oil heater made exactly as you describe, it worked to
> >>>>perfection and heated one end of our house, the wood stove in the
> >>>>kitchen heated the other end. Unlike the one you describe, ours did
> >>>>have a fairly elaborate chimmney to exhaust the fumes.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>The better old burners had forced air to keep a smaller flame hotter
with
> >>>less soot. Bummer but all used motor oil has a pretty good load of
sulfur
> >>>in it.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
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Re: OT BioDiesel
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in
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> Meanwhile one hundred percent of our Alaskan oil goes to
> Japan.
> Under some sort of scam of saving transport miles of supposedly
> Japan buying oil from the near east like us.
No scam, we can't use the oil from the Alaskan pipeline because we
have no refineries to refine it. The plans called for a refinery or
refineries to be built in the northwest somewhere (I'm too lazy to
Google it) but the environmentalists blocked it. There hasn't been
a refinery built in the US for many, many years AFAIK.
news:4462DFEE.DB9702A6@***.net:
> Meanwhile one hundred percent of our Alaskan oil goes to
> Japan.
> Under some sort of scam of saving transport miles of supposedly
> Japan buying oil from the near east like us.
No scam, we can't use the oil from the Alaskan pipeline because we
have no refineries to refine it. The plans called for a refinery or
refineries to be built in the northwest somewhere (I'm too lazy to
Google it) but the environmentalists blocked it. There hasn't been
a refinery built in the US for many, many years AFAIK.
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Re: OT BioDiesel
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in
news:4462DFEE.DB9702A6@***.net:
> Meanwhile one hundred percent of our Alaskan oil goes to
> Japan.
> Under some sort of scam of saving transport miles of supposedly
> Japan buying oil from the near east like us.
No scam, we can't use the oil from the Alaskan pipeline because we
have no refineries to refine it. The plans called for a refinery or
refineries to be built in the northwest somewhere (I'm too lazy to
Google it) but the environmentalists blocked it. There hasn't been
a refinery built in the US for many, many years AFAIK.
news:4462DFEE.DB9702A6@***.net:
> Meanwhile one hundred percent of our Alaskan oil goes to
> Japan.
> Under some sort of scam of saving transport miles of supposedly
> Japan buying oil from the near east like us.
No scam, we can't use the oil from the Alaskan pipeline because we
have no refineries to refine it. The plans called for a refinery or
refineries to be built in the northwest somewhere (I'm too lazy to
Google it) but the environmentalists blocked it. There hasn't been
a refinery built in the US for many, many years AFAIK.
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Re: OT BioDiesel
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in
news:4462DFEE.DB9702A6@***.net:
> Meanwhile one hundred percent of our Alaskan oil goes to
> Japan.
> Under some sort of scam of saving transport miles of supposedly
> Japan buying oil from the near east like us.
No scam, we can't use the oil from the Alaskan pipeline because we
have no refineries to refine it. The plans called for a refinery or
refineries to be built in the northwest somewhere (I'm too lazy to
Google it) but the environmentalists blocked it. There hasn't been
a refinery built in the US for many, many years AFAIK.
news:4462DFEE.DB9702A6@***.net:
> Meanwhile one hundred percent of our Alaskan oil goes to
> Japan.
> Under some sort of scam of saving transport miles of supposedly
> Japan buying oil from the near east like us.
No scam, we can't use the oil from the Alaskan pipeline because we
have no refineries to refine it. The plans called for a refinery or
refineries to be built in the northwest somewhere (I'm too lazy to
Google it) but the environmentalists blocked it. There hasn't been
a refinery built in the US for many, many years AFAIK.
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Re: Very OT BioDiesel
On Thu, 11 May 2006 07:57:33 -0400, "Vito" <vito@crosslink.net> wrote:
> Bottom line is we may as well enjoy mid-east oil while we can.
But without oil, their economies and standard of living would go to
crap... Instead of there being some rich camel ----in' Bedoins and
some poor camel ----in' Bedoins, they would all be equally poor
(albeit still camel ----in' Bedoins)...
> Bottom line is we may as well enjoy mid-east oil while we can.
But without oil, their economies and standard of living would go to
crap... Instead of there being some rich camel ----in' Bedoins and
some poor camel ----in' Bedoins, they would all be equally poor
(albeit still camel ----in' Bedoins)...
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Re: Very OT BioDiesel
On Thu, 11 May 2006 07:57:33 -0400, "Vito" <vito@crosslink.net> wrote:
> Bottom line is we may as well enjoy mid-east oil while we can.
But without oil, their economies and standard of living would go to
crap... Instead of there being some rich camel ----in' Bedoins and
some poor camel ----in' Bedoins, they would all be equally poor
(albeit still camel ----in' Bedoins)...
> Bottom line is we may as well enjoy mid-east oil while we can.
But without oil, their economies and standard of living would go to
crap... Instead of there being some rich camel ----in' Bedoins and
some poor camel ----in' Bedoins, they would all be equally poor
(albeit still camel ----in' Bedoins)...
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Re: Very OT BioDiesel
On Thu, 11 May 2006 07:57:33 -0400, "Vito" <vito@crosslink.net> wrote:
> Bottom line is we may as well enjoy mid-east oil while we can.
But without oil, their economies and standard of living would go to
crap... Instead of there being some rich camel ----in' Bedoins and
some poor camel ----in' Bedoins, they would all be equally poor
(albeit still camel ----in' Bedoins)...
> Bottom line is we may as well enjoy mid-east oil while we can.
But without oil, their economies and standard of living would go to
crap... Instead of there being some rich camel ----in' Bedoins and
some poor camel ----in' Bedoins, they would all be equally poor
(albeit still camel ----in' Bedoins)...
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Re: OT BioDiesel
No refineries have been built in the last thirty years, but Los
Angeles and San Francisco are loaded. and still off load tankers. And
yes, the environmentalists are responsible for our inability to refine
what we have. Venezuela ships gasoline:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090702235.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
XS11E wrote:
>
> No scam, we can't use the oil from the Alaskan pipeline because we
> have no refineries to refine it. The plans called for a refinery or
> refineries to be built in the northwest somewhere (I'm too lazy to
> Google it) but the environmentalists blocked it. There hasn't been
> a refinery built in the US for many, many years AFAIK.
Angeles and San Francisco are loaded. and still off load tankers. And
yes, the environmentalists are responsible for our inability to refine
what we have. Venezuela ships gasoline:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090702235.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
XS11E wrote:
>
> No scam, we can't use the oil from the Alaskan pipeline because we
> have no refineries to refine it. The plans called for a refinery or
> refineries to be built in the northwest somewhere (I'm too lazy to
> Google it) but the environmentalists blocked it. There hasn't been
> a refinery built in the US for many, many years AFAIK.
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Re: OT BioDiesel
No refineries have been built in the last thirty years, but Los
Angeles and San Francisco are loaded. and still off load tankers. And
yes, the environmentalists are responsible for our inability to refine
what we have. Venezuela ships gasoline:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090702235.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
XS11E wrote:
>
> No scam, we can't use the oil from the Alaskan pipeline because we
> have no refineries to refine it. The plans called for a refinery or
> refineries to be built in the northwest somewhere (I'm too lazy to
> Google it) but the environmentalists blocked it. There hasn't been
> a refinery built in the US for many, many years AFAIK.
Angeles and San Francisco are loaded. and still off load tankers. And
yes, the environmentalists are responsible for our inability to refine
what we have. Venezuela ships gasoline:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090702235.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
XS11E wrote:
>
> No scam, we can't use the oil from the Alaskan pipeline because we
> have no refineries to refine it. The plans called for a refinery or
> refineries to be built in the northwest somewhere (I'm too lazy to
> Google it) but the environmentalists blocked it. There hasn't been
> a refinery built in the US for many, many years AFAIK.
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Re: OT BioDiesel
No refineries have been built in the last thirty years, but Los
Angeles and San Francisco are loaded. and still off load tankers. And
yes, the environmentalists are responsible for our inability to refine
what we have. Venezuela ships gasoline:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090702235.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
XS11E wrote:
>
> No scam, we can't use the oil from the Alaskan pipeline because we
> have no refineries to refine it. The plans called for a refinery or
> refineries to be built in the northwest somewhere (I'm too lazy to
> Google it) but the environmentalists blocked it. There hasn't been
> a refinery built in the US for many, many years AFAIK.
Angeles and San Francisco are loaded. and still off load tankers. And
yes, the environmentalists are responsible for our inability to refine
what we have. Venezuela ships gasoline:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090702235.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
XS11E wrote:
>
> No scam, we can't use the oil from the Alaskan pipeline because we
> have no refineries to refine it. The plans called for a refinery or
> refineries to be built in the northwest somewhere (I'm too lazy to
> Google it) but the environmentalists blocked it. There hasn't been
> a refinery built in the US for many, many years AFAIK.