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Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Actually the increased fatality rate from ABS appears to be largely
> due to the doofus factor and the increased steering capability.
> A sliding wheel is more able to ignore suicidal wheel movements.
>
> --
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Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Actually the increased fatality rate from ABS appears to be largely
> due to the doofus factor and the increased steering capability.
> A sliding wheel is more able to ignore suicidal wheel movements.
>
> --
> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
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Do you really believe that?
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Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Actually the increased fatality rate from ABS appears to be largely
> due to the doofus factor and the increased steering capability.
> A sliding wheel is more able to ignore suicidal wheel movements.
>
> --
> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Actually the increased fatality rate from ABS appears to be largely
> due to the doofus factor and the increased steering capability.
> A sliding wheel is more able to ignore suicidal wheel movements.
>
> --
> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
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Do you really believe that?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Actually the increased fatality rate from ABS appears to be largely
> due to the doofus factor and the increased steering capability.
> A sliding wheel is more able to ignore suicidal wheel movements.
>
> --
> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Actually the increased fatality rate from ABS appears to be largely
> due to the doofus factor and the increased steering capability.
> A sliding wheel is more able to ignore suicidal wheel movements.
>
> --
> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
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In article <3FD7CAA2.42BE0403@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@***.net> writes:
>Do you really believe that?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>> Actually the increased fatality rate from ABS appears to be largely
>> due to the doofus factor and the increased steering capability.
>> A sliding wheel is more able to ignore suicidal wheel movements.
>>
Bill, blow the cobwebs off your imagination and think of a vehicle on a slick
surface with their front wheels locked up, sliding straight down the road. Now
think of what the vehicle does when you crank the steering wheel to either
direction. Still sliding straight down the road.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
III <----------@***.net> writes:
>Do you really believe that?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>> Actually the increased fatality rate from ABS appears to be largely
>> due to the doofus factor and the increased steering capability.
>> A sliding wheel is more able to ignore suicidal wheel movements.
>>
Bill, blow the cobwebs off your imagination and think of a vehicle on a slick
surface with their front wheels locked up, sliding straight down the road. Now
think of what the vehicle does when you crank the steering wheel to either
direction. Still sliding straight down the road.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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In article <3FD7CAA2.42BE0403@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@***.net> writes:
>Do you really believe that?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>> Actually the increased fatality rate from ABS appears to be largely
>> due to the doofus factor and the increased steering capability.
>> A sliding wheel is more able to ignore suicidal wheel movements.
>>
Bill, blow the cobwebs off your imagination and think of a vehicle on a slick
surface with their front wheels locked up, sliding straight down the road. Now
think of what the vehicle does when you crank the steering wheel to either
direction. Still sliding straight down the road.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
III <----------@***.net> writes:
>Do you really believe that?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>> Actually the increased fatality rate from ABS appears to be largely
>> due to the doofus factor and the increased steering capability.
>> A sliding wheel is more able to ignore suicidal wheel movements.
>>
Bill, blow the cobwebs off your imagination and think of a vehicle on a slick
surface with their front wheels locked up, sliding straight down the road. Now
think of what the vehicle does when you crank the steering wheel to either
direction. Still sliding straight down the road.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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In article <3FD7CAA2.42BE0403@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@***.net> writes:
>Do you really believe that?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>> Actually the increased fatality rate from ABS appears to be largely
>> due to the doofus factor and the increased steering capability.
>> A sliding wheel is more able to ignore suicidal wheel movements.
>>
Bill, blow the cobwebs off your imagination and think of a vehicle on a slick
surface with their front wheels locked up, sliding straight down the road. Now
think of what the vehicle does when you crank the steering wheel to either
direction. Still sliding straight down the road.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
III <----------@***.net> writes:
>Do you really believe that?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>> Actually the increased fatality rate from ABS appears to be largely
>> due to the doofus factor and the increased steering capability.
>> A sliding wheel is more able to ignore suicidal wheel movements.
>>
Bill, blow the cobwebs off your imagination and think of a vehicle on a slick
surface with their front wheels locked up, sliding straight down the road. Now
think of what the vehicle does when you crank the steering wheel to either
direction. Still sliding straight down the road.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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What Del said. As you stated previously, it's beyond you.
In article <20031210104510263-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> writes:
>On 10 Dec 2003 09:08 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
>> Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
>> the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
>> with and without the "fuse":
>> http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you
>> think it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
>
>The fluid is directed from the master to the wheel cylinders when the
>ABS is disabled for the same reason that the brakes work normally until
>the ABS engages when the ABS isn't disabled. The ABS modulator unit
>also contains the proportioning valve, which is why the brakes act as a
>standard braking system until the ABS engages.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
In article <20031210104510263-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> writes:
>On 10 Dec 2003 09:08 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
>> Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
>> the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
>> with and without the "fuse":
>> http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you
>> think it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
>
>The fluid is directed from the master to the wheel cylinders when the
>ABS is disabled for the same reason that the brakes work normally until
>the ABS engages when the ABS isn't disabled. The ABS modulator unit
>also contains the proportioning valve, which is why the brakes act as a
>standard braking system until the ABS engages.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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What Del said. As you stated previously, it's beyond you.
In article <20031210104510263-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> writes:
>On 10 Dec 2003 09:08 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
>> Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
>> the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
>> with and without the "fuse":
>> http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you
>> think it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
>
>The fluid is directed from the master to the wheel cylinders when the
>ABS is disabled for the same reason that the brakes work normally until
>the ABS engages when the ABS isn't disabled. The ABS modulator unit
>also contains the proportioning valve, which is why the brakes act as a
>standard braking system until the ABS engages.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
In article <20031210104510263-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> writes:
>On 10 Dec 2003 09:08 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
>> Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
>> the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
>> with and without the "fuse":
>> http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you
>> think it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
>
>The fluid is directed from the master to the wheel cylinders when the
>ABS is disabled for the same reason that the brakes work normally until
>the ABS engages when the ABS isn't disabled. The ABS modulator unit
>also contains the proportioning valve, which is why the brakes act as a
>standard braking system until the ABS engages.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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What Del said. As you stated previously, it's beyond you.
In article <20031210104510263-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> writes:
>On 10 Dec 2003 09:08 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
>> Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
>> the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
>> with and without the "fuse":
>> http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you
>> think it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
>
>The fluid is directed from the master to the wheel cylinders when the
>ABS is disabled for the same reason that the brakes work normally until
>the ABS engages when the ABS isn't disabled. The ABS modulator unit
>also contains the proportioning valve, which is why the brakes act as a
>standard braking system until the ABS engages.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
In article <20031210104510263-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> writes:
>On 10 Dec 2003 09:08 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
>> Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
>> the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
>> with and without the "fuse":
>> http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you
>> think it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
>
>The fluid is directed from the master to the wheel cylinders when the
>ABS is disabled for the same reason that the brakes work normally until
>the ABS engages when the ABS isn't disabled. The ABS modulator unit
>also contains the proportioning valve, which is why the brakes act as a
>standard braking system until the ABS engages.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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On 10 Dec 2003 04:32 PM, mabar posted the following:
> Del:
>
> Mike is correct in that you cannot lock up the rear brakes on most
> TJ's, even without ABS. Try it sometime.
I think you are probably right about that, but just because that is how
they have the proportioning valve set up, doesn't make it rear wheel ABS
as Mike asserted. It is purely a passive system and will not actively
adapt to changing conditions like ABS will. This should not be
construed to mean that I think there is anything wrong with a good
proportioning valve setup. As with all things mechanical, it is a
compromise. My old 2wd automatic truck that will lock up the fronts
while the rears keep turning on ice, will cheerfully lock up one or both
rear wheels in a maximum performance stop on dry pavement if you apply
too much pressure (don't ask how I know this). At least I don't feel so
bad for not spending the big bucks on a rear disc conversion for it.
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> Del:
>
> Mike is correct in that you cannot lock up the rear brakes on most
> TJ's, even without ABS. Try it sometime.
I think you are probably right about that, but just because that is how
they have the proportioning valve set up, doesn't make it rear wheel ABS
as Mike asserted. It is purely a passive system and will not actively
adapt to changing conditions like ABS will. This should not be
construed to mean that I think there is anything wrong with a good
proportioning valve setup. As with all things mechanical, it is a
compromise. My old 2wd automatic truck that will lock up the fronts
while the rears keep turning on ice, will cheerfully lock up one or both
rear wheels in a maximum performance stop on dry pavement if you apply
too much pressure (don't ask how I know this). At least I don't feel so
bad for not spending the big bucks on a rear disc conversion for it.
----------------------------------------------------
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