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On 10 Dec 2003 07:32 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> Del, all Jeeps have rear ABS. Or they have had it since the late 70's
> anyway.
>
> It is called a combination valve which prevents the rear wheels from
> locking up so you can track straight in a panic stop.
>
> If the rear wheels lock, you will do a 360 faster than you can blink.
The proportioning valve is NOT ABS and if you try you can and will lock
up the rear brakes. The benefit to the valve is that you will generally
lock up the front wheels first, but not necessarily. It is only a
passive system, and can't actively modulate pressure to the wheel
cylinders based on sensor input like ABS does.
> That rear ABS is a real pain with an automatic tranny. The rear
> wheels will keep pushing you on snow when you want to stop. They can
> and will push you right through an intersection unless you drop it
> into neutral.
The problem you refer to is a characteristic of a 2wd vehicle with an
automatic, and isn't necessarily caused by the proportioning valve. The
front wheels lock up, because they can, and since the rear wheels are
still being driven you have to drop into neutral to stop. It may or may
not be caused by the proportioning valve, but that still doesn't make
that valve ABS. Personally I'd rather just shift the thing into neutral
when approaching the stop and not lock up at all. My '73 2wd pickup
will do this but it is a non-issue if you are expecting it and know how
to deal with it. And of course as I'm sure you know, shift into 4wd and
the problem ceases to exist.
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> Del, all Jeeps have rear ABS. Or they have had it since the late 70's
> anyway.
>
> It is called a combination valve which prevents the rear wheels from
> locking up so you can track straight in a panic stop.
>
> If the rear wheels lock, you will do a 360 faster than you can blink.
The proportioning valve is NOT ABS and if you try you can and will lock
up the rear brakes. The benefit to the valve is that you will generally
lock up the front wheels first, but not necessarily. It is only a
passive system, and can't actively modulate pressure to the wheel
cylinders based on sensor input like ABS does.
> That rear ABS is a real pain with an automatic tranny. The rear
> wheels will keep pushing you on snow when you want to stop. They can
> and will push you right through an intersection unless you drop it
> into neutral.
The problem you refer to is a characteristic of a 2wd vehicle with an
automatic, and isn't necessarily caused by the proportioning valve. The
front wheels lock up, because they can, and since the rear wheels are
still being driven you have to drop into neutral to stop. It may or may
not be caused by the proportioning valve, but that still doesn't make
that valve ABS. Personally I'd rather just shift the thing into neutral
when approaching the stop and not lock up at all. My '73 2wd pickup
will do this but it is a non-issue if you are expecting it and know how
to deal with it. And of course as I'm sure you know, shift into 4wd and
the problem ceases to exist.
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On 10 Dec 2003 07:32 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> Del, all Jeeps have rear ABS. Or they have had it since the late 70's
> anyway.
>
> It is called a combination valve which prevents the rear wheels from
> locking up so you can track straight in a panic stop.
>
> If the rear wheels lock, you will do a 360 faster than you can blink.
The proportioning valve is NOT ABS and if you try you can and will lock
up the rear brakes. The benefit to the valve is that you will generally
lock up the front wheels first, but not necessarily. It is only a
passive system, and can't actively modulate pressure to the wheel
cylinders based on sensor input like ABS does.
> That rear ABS is a real pain with an automatic tranny. The rear
> wheels will keep pushing you on snow when you want to stop. They can
> and will push you right through an intersection unless you drop it
> into neutral.
The problem you refer to is a characteristic of a 2wd vehicle with an
automatic, and isn't necessarily caused by the proportioning valve. The
front wheels lock up, because they can, and since the rear wheels are
still being driven you have to drop into neutral to stop. It may or may
not be caused by the proportioning valve, but that still doesn't make
that valve ABS. Personally I'd rather just shift the thing into neutral
when approaching the stop and not lock up at all. My '73 2wd pickup
will do this but it is a non-issue if you are expecting it and know how
to deal with it. And of course as I'm sure you know, shift into 4wd and
the problem ceases to exist.
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> Del, all Jeeps have rear ABS. Or they have had it since the late 70's
> anyway.
>
> It is called a combination valve which prevents the rear wheels from
> locking up so you can track straight in a panic stop.
>
> If the rear wheels lock, you will do a 360 faster than you can blink.
The proportioning valve is NOT ABS and if you try you can and will lock
up the rear brakes. The benefit to the valve is that you will generally
lock up the front wheels first, but not necessarily. It is only a
passive system, and can't actively modulate pressure to the wheel
cylinders based on sensor input like ABS does.
> That rear ABS is a real pain with an automatic tranny. The rear
> wheels will keep pushing you on snow when you want to stop. They can
> and will push you right through an intersection unless you drop it
> into neutral.
The problem you refer to is a characteristic of a 2wd vehicle with an
automatic, and isn't necessarily caused by the proportioning valve. The
front wheels lock up, because they can, and since the rear wheels are
still being driven you have to drop into neutral to stop. It may or may
not be caused by the proportioning valve, but that still doesn't make
that valve ABS. Personally I'd rather just shift the thing into neutral
when approaching the stop and not lock up at all. My '73 2wd pickup
will do this but it is a non-issue if you are expecting it and know how
to deal with it. And of course as I'm sure you know, shift into 4wd and
the problem ceases to exist.
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On 10 Dec 2003 07:32 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> Del, all Jeeps have rear ABS. Or they have had it since the late 70's
> anyway.
>
> It is called a combination valve which prevents the rear wheels from
> locking up so you can track straight in a panic stop.
>
> If the rear wheels lock, you will do a 360 faster than you can blink.
The proportioning valve is NOT ABS and if you try you can and will lock
up the rear brakes. The benefit to the valve is that you will generally
lock up the front wheels first, but not necessarily. It is only a
passive system, and can't actively modulate pressure to the wheel
cylinders based on sensor input like ABS does.
> That rear ABS is a real pain with an automatic tranny. The rear
> wheels will keep pushing you on snow when you want to stop. They can
> and will push you right through an intersection unless you drop it
> into neutral.
The problem you refer to is a characteristic of a 2wd vehicle with an
automatic, and isn't necessarily caused by the proportioning valve. The
front wheels lock up, because they can, and since the rear wheels are
still being driven you have to drop into neutral to stop. It may or may
not be caused by the proportioning valve, but that still doesn't make
that valve ABS. Personally I'd rather just shift the thing into neutral
when approaching the stop and not lock up at all. My '73 2wd pickup
will do this but it is a non-issue if you are expecting it and know how
to deal with it. And of course as I'm sure you know, shift into 4wd and
the problem ceases to exist.
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> Del, all Jeeps have rear ABS. Or they have had it since the late 70's
> anyway.
>
> It is called a combination valve which prevents the rear wheels from
> locking up so you can track straight in a panic stop.
>
> If the rear wheels lock, you will do a 360 faster than you can blink.
The proportioning valve is NOT ABS and if you try you can and will lock
up the rear brakes. The benefit to the valve is that you will generally
lock up the front wheels first, but not necessarily. It is only a
passive system, and can't actively modulate pressure to the wheel
cylinders based on sensor input like ABS does.
> That rear ABS is a real pain with an automatic tranny. The rear
> wheels will keep pushing you on snow when you want to stop. They can
> and will push you right through an intersection unless you drop it
> into neutral.
The problem you refer to is a characteristic of a 2wd vehicle with an
automatic, and isn't necessarily caused by the proportioning valve. The
front wheels lock up, because they can, and since the rear wheels are
still being driven you have to drop into neutral to stop. It may or may
not be caused by the proportioning valve, but that still doesn't make
that valve ABS. Personally I'd rather just shift the thing into neutral
when approaching the stop and not lock up at all. My '73 2wd pickup
will do this but it is a non-issue if you are expecting it and know how
to deal with it. And of course as I'm sure you know, shift into 4wd and
the problem ceases to exist.
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Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
with and without the "fuse":
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you think
it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> In article <3FD6B24C.8528AB1B@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
> III <----------@***.net> writes:
>
> >That test has a big time flaw, it uses the same vehicle and simply
> >disconnects the ABS for the comparison tests, completely destroying the
> >fine tuning engineering, about the same thing as disconnect the power
> >brakes and saying that's the way regular brakes perform, if you think
> >they do than turn off your engine and coat down a hill.
>
> No Bill, disconnecting the ABS only affects the ABS, doesn't affect normal
> braking at all. Nothing's changed since the last time you posted this.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
with and without the "fuse":
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you think
it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> In article <3FD6B24C.8528AB1B@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
> III <----------@***.net> writes:
>
> >That test has a big time flaw, it uses the same vehicle and simply
> >disconnects the ABS for the comparison tests, completely destroying the
> >fine tuning engineering, about the same thing as disconnect the power
> >brakes and saying that's the way regular brakes perform, if you think
> >they do than turn off your engine and coat down a hill.
>
> No Bill, disconnecting the ABS only affects the ABS, doesn't affect normal
> braking at all. Nothing's changed since the last time you posted this.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
with and without the "fuse":
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you think
it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> In article <3FD6B24C.8528AB1B@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
> III <----------@***.net> writes:
>
> >That test has a big time flaw, it uses the same vehicle and simply
> >disconnects the ABS for the comparison tests, completely destroying the
> >fine tuning engineering, about the same thing as disconnect the power
> >brakes and saying that's the way regular brakes perform, if you think
> >they do than turn off your engine and coat down a hill.
>
> No Bill, disconnecting the ABS only affects the ABS, doesn't affect normal
> braking at all. Nothing's changed since the last time you posted this.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
with and without the "fuse":
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you think
it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> In article <3FD6B24C.8528AB1B@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
> III <----------@***.net> writes:
>
> >That test has a big time flaw, it uses the same vehicle and simply
> >disconnects the ABS for the comparison tests, completely destroying the
> >fine tuning engineering, about the same thing as disconnect the power
> >brakes and saying that's the way regular brakes perform, if you think
> >they do than turn off your engine and coat down a hill.
>
> No Bill, disconnecting the ABS only affects the ABS, doesn't affect normal
> braking at all. Nothing's changed since the last time you posted this.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
with and without the "fuse":
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you think
it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> In article <3FD6B24C.8528AB1B@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
> III <----------@***.net> writes:
>
> >That test has a big time flaw, it uses the same vehicle and simply
> >disconnects the ABS for the comparison tests, completely destroying the
> >fine tuning engineering, about the same thing as disconnect the power
> >brakes and saying that's the way regular brakes perform, if you think
> >they do than turn off your engine and coat down a hill.
>
> No Bill, disconnecting the ABS only affects the ABS, doesn't affect normal
> braking at all. Nothing's changed since the last time you posted this.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
with and without the "fuse":
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you think
it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> In article <3FD6B24C.8528AB1B@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
> III <----------@***.net> writes:
>
> >That test has a big time flaw, it uses the same vehicle and simply
> >disconnects the ABS for the comparison tests, completely destroying the
> >fine tuning engineering, about the same thing as disconnect the power
> >brakes and saying that's the way regular brakes perform, if you think
> >they do than turn off your engine and coat down a hill.
>
> No Bill, disconnecting the ABS only affects the ABS, doesn't affect normal
> braking at all. Nothing's changed since the last time you posted this.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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On 10 Dec 2003 09:08 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
> the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
> with and without the "fuse":
> http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you
> think it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
The fluid is directed from the master to the wheel cylinders when the
ABS is disabled for the same reason that the brakes work normally until
the ABS engages when the ABS isn't disabled. The ABS modulator unit
also contains the proportioning valve, which is why the brakes act as a
standard braking system until the ABS engages.
The solenoids, pumps, accumulators, and whatever else runs the ABS don't
even come into play when the ABS is not operating; they are transparent
to the system until the control unit detects a lockup at one of the
wheel speed sensors, at which point the ABS hardware activates to
modulate pressure to that wheel. As far as the braking system is
concerned, it doesn't matter whether the ABS isn't on because the fuse
is pulled, or if the driver just isn't braking hard enough to engage the
ABS, the result is the same: Normal braking. No morphing required.
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> Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
> the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
> with and without the "fuse":
> http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you
> think it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
The fluid is directed from the master to the wheel cylinders when the
ABS is disabled for the same reason that the brakes work normally until
the ABS engages when the ABS isn't disabled. The ABS modulator unit
also contains the proportioning valve, which is why the brakes act as a
standard braking system until the ABS engages.
The solenoids, pumps, accumulators, and whatever else runs the ABS don't
even come into play when the ABS is not operating; they are transparent
to the system until the control unit detects a lockup at one of the
wheel speed sensors, at which point the ABS hardware activates to
modulate pressure to that wheel. As far as the braking system is
concerned, it doesn't matter whether the ABS isn't on because the fuse
is pulled, or if the driver just isn't braking hard enough to engage the
ABS, the result is the same: Normal braking. No morphing required.
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On 10 Dec 2003 09:08 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
> the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
> with and without the "fuse":
> http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you
> think it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
The fluid is directed from the master to the wheel cylinders when the
ABS is disabled for the same reason that the brakes work normally until
the ABS engages when the ABS isn't disabled. The ABS modulator unit
also contains the proportioning valve, which is why the brakes act as a
standard braking system until the ABS engages.
The solenoids, pumps, accumulators, and whatever else runs the ABS don't
even come into play when the ABS is not operating; they are transparent
to the system until the control unit detects a lockup at one of the
wheel speed sensors, at which point the ABS hardware activates to
modulate pressure to that wheel. As far as the braking system is
concerned, it doesn't matter whether the ABS isn't on because the fuse
is pulled, or if the driver just isn't braking hard enough to engage the
ABS, the result is the same: Normal braking. No morphing required.
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> Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
> the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
> with and without the "fuse":
> http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you
> think it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
The fluid is directed from the master to the wheel cylinders when the
ABS is disabled for the same reason that the brakes work normally until
the ABS engages when the ABS isn't disabled. The ABS modulator unit
also contains the proportioning valve, which is why the brakes act as a
standard braking system until the ABS engages.
The solenoids, pumps, accumulators, and whatever else runs the ABS don't
even come into play when the ABS is not operating; they are transparent
to the system until the control unit detects a lockup at one of the
wheel speed sensors, at which point the ABS hardware activates to
modulate pressure to that wheel. As far as the braking system is
concerned, it doesn't matter whether the ABS isn't on because the fuse
is pulled, or if the driver just isn't braking hard enough to engage the
ABS, the result is the same: Normal braking. No morphing required.
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On 10 Dec 2003 09:08 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
> the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
> with and without the "fuse":
> http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you
> think it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
The fluid is directed from the master to the wheel cylinders when the
ABS is disabled for the same reason that the brakes work normally until
the ABS engages when the ABS isn't disabled. The ABS modulator unit
also contains the proportioning valve, which is why the brakes act as a
standard braking system until the ABS engages.
The solenoids, pumps, accumulators, and whatever else runs the ABS don't
even come into play when the ABS is not operating; they are transparent
to the system until the control unit detects a lockup at one of the
wheel speed sensors, at which point the ABS hardware activates to
modulate pressure to that wheel. As far as the braking system is
concerned, it doesn't matter whether the ABS isn't on because the fuse
is pulled, or if the driver just isn't braking hard enough to engage the
ABS, the result is the same: Normal braking. No morphing required.
----------------------------------------------------
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> Matt, you are right, nothing's changed! Mean while try and tell me how
> the fluid is channeled from the master cylinder to each wheel cylinder,
> with and without the "fuse":
> http://www.babcox.com/editorial/cm/elements/50030a.gif Maybe, you
> think it morphs and the pumps and accumulator suddenly disappear.
The fluid is directed from the master to the wheel cylinders when the
ABS is disabled for the same reason that the brakes work normally until
the ABS engages when the ABS isn't disabled. The ABS modulator unit
also contains the proportioning valve, which is why the brakes act as a
standard braking system until the ABS engages.
The solenoids, pumps, accumulators, and whatever else runs the ABS don't
even come into play when the ABS is not operating; they are transparent
to the system until the control unit detects a lockup at one of the
wheel speed sensors, at which point the ABS hardware activates to
modulate pressure to that wheel. As far as the braking system is
concerned, it doesn't matter whether the ABS isn't on because the fuse
is pulled, or if the driver just isn't braking hard enough to engage the
ABS, the result is the same: Normal braking. No morphing required.
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Roughly 12/9/03 19:57, Mike Romain's monkeys randomly typed:
> Lots of 'if's' in there eh.
You're a Newfie? Never would have guessed.
>
> I raced when I was young so likely have an advantage over most drivers
> when it comes to braking. 4 wheel drifts around corners was one of my
> specialties....
Is actually the slowest way around most corners, but a helluva lot
of fun. I raced for a dealer that had one rule: Win the damn
race or be leading the thing when you trash the car.
To this day, I still can't enjoy sports car racing footage unless
I hang myself upside down with hot oil dripping on my head.
--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.
> Lots of 'if's' in there eh.
You're a Newfie? Never would have guessed.
>
> I raced when I was young so likely have an advantage over most drivers
> when it comes to braking. 4 wheel drifts around corners was one of my
> specialties....
Is actually the slowest way around most corners, but a helluva lot
of fun. I raced for a dealer that had one rule: Win the damn
race or be leading the thing when you trash the car.
To this day, I still can't enjoy sports car racing footage unless
I hang myself upside down with hot oil dripping on my head.
--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.