In article <3FD5EAA9.D0972080@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
writes:

>ABS actually lengthens the stopping distance quite a bit. It sacrifices
>stopping time to give steering control.

depending on the road surface conditions.


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Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

In article <3FD682CC.90815E85@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@***.net> writes:

> I suggest you were not going fast enough to worry about not having
>brakes as the thirty percent more fatal off road crashes found out when
>inertial threw them from the road when the ABS released.

when their foot released the pedal when the ABS kicked in and startled them.
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Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

In article <3FD682CC.90815E85@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@***.net> writes:

> I suggest you were not going fast enough to worry about not having
>brakes as the thirty percent more fatal off road crashes found out when
>inertial threw them from the road when the ABS released.

when their foot released the pedal when the ABS kicked in and startled them.
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Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

In article <3FD682CC.90815E85@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@***.net> writes:

> I suggest you were not going fast enough to worry about not having
>brakes as the thirty percent more fatal off road crashes found out when
>inertial threw them from the road when the ABS released.

when their foot released the pedal when the ABS kicked in and startled them.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

In article <3FD6B24C.8528AB1B@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@***.net> writes:

>That test has a big time flaw, it uses the same vehicle and simply
>disconnects the ABS for the comparison tests, completely destroying the
>fine tuning engineering, about the same thing as disconnect the power
>brakes and saying that's the way regular brakes perform, if you think
>they do than turn off your engine and coat down a hill.

No Bill, disconnecting the ABS only affects the ABS, doesn't affect normal
braking at all. Nothing's changed since the last time you posted this.
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Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

In article <3FD6B24C.8528AB1B@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@***.net> writes:

>That test has a big time flaw, it uses the same vehicle and simply
>disconnects the ABS for the comparison tests, completely destroying the
>fine tuning engineering, about the same thing as disconnect the power
>brakes and saying that's the way regular brakes perform, if you think
>they do than turn off your engine and coat down a hill.

No Bill, disconnecting the ABS only affects the ABS, doesn't affect normal
braking at all. Nothing's changed since the last time you posted this.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

In article <3FD6B24C.8528AB1B@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@***.net> writes:

>That test has a big time flaw, it uses the same vehicle and simply
>disconnects the ABS for the comparison tests, completely destroying the
>fine tuning engineering, about the same thing as disconnect the power
>brakes and saying that's the way regular brakes perform, if you think
>they do than turn off your engine and coat down a hill.

No Bill, disconnecting the ABS only affects the ABS, doesn't affect normal
braking at all. Nothing's changed since the last time you posted this.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> On 09 Dec 2003 08:17 PM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > Del, I like to just check one thing for me. You said: "all 4 wheels at
> > the point of maximum braking." I'd like you to crawl under your TJ and
> > tell me how many brake lines are connected to your rear axle, then
> > tell me how your ABS could release one locked wheel without releasing
> > maybe the only other wheel with traction.
>
> I never said my TJ had that exact system, but that doesn't mean that all
> ABS equipped vehicles are that way. I have even driven a rig with ABS
> only in the rear, now that was a messed up system to be sure.

Del, all Jeeps have rear ABS. Or they have had it since the late 70's
anyway.

It is called a combination valve which prevents the rear wheels from
locking up so you can track straight in a panic stop.

If the rear wheels lock, you will do a 360 faster than you can blink.

That rear ABS is a real pain with an automatic tranny. The rear wheels
will keep pushing you on snow when you want to stop. They can and will
push you right through an intersection unless you drop it into neutral.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> On 09 Dec 2003 08:17 PM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > Del, I like to just check one thing for me. You said: "all 4 wheels at
> > the point of maximum braking." I'd like you to crawl under your TJ and
> > tell me how many brake lines are connected to your rear axle, then
> > tell me how your ABS could release one locked wheel without releasing
> > maybe the only other wheel with traction.
>
> I never said my TJ had that exact system, but that doesn't mean that all
> ABS equipped vehicles are that way. I have even driven a rig with ABS
> only in the rear, now that was a messed up system to be sure.

Del, all Jeeps have rear ABS. Or they have had it since the late 70's
anyway.

It is called a combination valve which prevents the rear wheels from
locking up so you can track straight in a panic stop.

If the rear wheels lock, you will do a 360 faster than you can blink.

That rear ABS is a real pain with an automatic tranny. The rear wheels
will keep pushing you on snow when you want to stop. They can and will
push you right through an intersection unless you drop it into neutral.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> On 09 Dec 2003 08:17 PM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > Del, I like to just check one thing for me. You said: "all 4 wheels at
> > the point of maximum braking." I'd like you to crawl under your TJ and
> > tell me how many brake lines are connected to your rear axle, then
> > tell me how your ABS could release one locked wheel without releasing
> > maybe the only other wheel with traction.
>
> I never said my TJ had that exact system, but that doesn't mean that all
> ABS equipped vehicles are that way. I have even driven a rig with ABS
> only in the rear, now that was a messed up system to be sure.

Del, all Jeeps have rear ABS. Or they have had it since the late 70's
anyway.

It is called a combination valve which prevents the rear wheels from
locking up so you can track straight in a panic stop.

If the rear wheels lock, you will do a 360 faster than you can blink.

That rear ABS is a real pain with an automatic tranny. The rear wheels
will keep pushing you on snow when you want to stop. They can and will
push you right through an intersection unless you drop it into neutral.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's