Statistics from our Department of Transportation: All types of
run-off-road crashes - rollovers, side impacts with fixed objects and
frontal impacts with fixed objects - increased significantly with ABS.
Nonfatal run-off-road crashes increased by an estimated 19 percent, and
fatal crashes by 28 percent.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...te/808206.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I would think it should be the other way around if you are in the
> rear-end capital.
>
> ABS actually lengthens the stopping distance quite a bit. It sacrifices
> stopping time to give steering control. Problem is in traffic there is
> usually no place to steer to.....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Statistics from our Department of Transportation: All types of
run-off-road crashes - rollovers, side impacts with fixed objects and
frontal impacts with fixed objects - increased significantly with ABS.
Nonfatal run-off-road crashes increased by an estimated 19 percent, and
fatal crashes by 28 percent.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...te/808206.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I would think it should be the other way around if you are in the
> rear-end capital.
>
> ABS actually lengthens the stopping distance quite a bit. It sacrifices
> stopping time to give steering control. Problem is in traffic there is
> usually no place to steer to.....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Yup, they are just another 'failed' attempt to compensate for lack of
driver training.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Statistics from our Department of Transportation: All types of
> run-off-road crashes - rollovers, side impacts with fixed objects and
> frontal impacts with fixed objects - increased significantly with ABS.
> Nonfatal run-off-road crashes increased by an estimated 19 percent, and
> fatal crashes by 28 percent.
> http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...te/808206.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I would think it should be the other way around if you are in the
> > rear-end capital.
> >
> > ABS actually lengthens the stopping distance quite a bit. It sacrifices
> > stopping time to give steering control. Problem is in traffic there is
> > usually no place to steer to.....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Yup, they are just another 'failed' attempt to compensate for lack of
driver training.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Statistics from our Department of Transportation: All types of
> run-off-road crashes - rollovers, side impacts with fixed objects and
> frontal impacts with fixed objects - increased significantly with ABS.
> Nonfatal run-off-road crashes increased by an estimated 19 percent, and
> fatal crashes by 28 percent.
> http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...te/808206.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I would think it should be the other way around if you are in the
> > rear-end capital.
> >
> > ABS actually lengthens the stopping distance quite a bit. It sacrifices
> > stopping time to give steering control. Problem is in traffic there is
> > usually no place to steer to.....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Yup, they are just another 'failed' attempt to compensate for lack of
driver training.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Statistics from our Department of Transportation: All types of
> run-off-road crashes - rollovers, side impacts with fixed objects and
> frontal impacts with fixed objects - increased significantly with ABS.
> Nonfatal run-off-road crashes increased by an estimated 19 percent, and
> fatal crashes by 28 percent.
> http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...te/808206.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I would think it should be the other way around if you are in the
> > rear-end capital.
> >
> > ABS actually lengthens the stopping distance quite a bit. It sacrifices
> > stopping time to give steering control. Problem is in traffic there is
> > usually no place to steer to.....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

I live just outside of San Diego, and most of the TJs sold here have the
Dual Top option. I should say that differently, when I have been to my local
stealership for some kind of unique parts, and have walked the lot while
waiting, most of the TJs that I see have the Dual Top option.

You will not find any ABS units with a D44 axle, and you can not order ABS
with a D44. So, if the D44 is part of the option package you are looking
for, give up on the ABS because you will not get it. The D44 is a much more
valuable optin than the ABS, so do not insist on ABS if you are thinking of
the D44. Take the D44 without the ABS, and never look back.

I don't see how ABS is going to help you if somebody runs into the back of
your Jeep. ABS might, and I stress MIGHT, help you avoid running into
somebody that is stopped in front of you, but only because you can still
steer while you are panicing. If you can manage to control the panic, then
you can still steer and perhaps miss the guy in front. My ABS in the Wife's
minivan caused my stopping distance to become so damn long that it actually
caused a rear end accident. I'll have to admit that crash avoidance that
particular day just wasn't in the cards, so the entire blame is not on the
brakes. but, if I didn't have ABS, then I would have had four tires that
were actually working to slow me down. With the ABS system on the minivan,
the rear brakes took a bye at the absolute worst possible moment. All I
could do was sit and watch as the metal folded.




"Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
news:VH9Bb.20717$HH.16667@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> I'm in houston and I can't find anything with ABS (even used) around here.
> Being rear-end capital of the world, you'd think everything would have
ABS.
> Also, almost none of the Jeeps on anyone's lot has a hard/dual top. I
guess
> people associate hard tops with keeping out the cold or something. Cold is
a
> relative term, however. I'm from New Jersey and have spent a fair amount
of
> time in the midwest. -70 wind chill is cold. I'll probably have my soft
top
> on most of the time since it never really gets cold enough (for me) to not
> have the windows down.
>
> Trust me - if i found something with ABS and soft top, i'd have driven it
> off someones lot a few days ago.. I even considered looking in dallas
(they
> get snow like once every 2 years) thinking I might be able to buy
something
> with ABS.
>
> Dealer will honor the rebate and increase it if it increases upon
delivery.
>
> ..and "weird" to this NG is a XJ without a dana 44! :-)
>
>
> "CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
> news:vt7oes3iou5u87@corp.supernews.com...
> > You need to order from dealer stock to get the rebate. If you can find a
> > dual top with ABS on a lot somewhere, then you should be able to get the
> > rebate. Honestly, I don't see that you order is all that wierd, unless
> there
> > are other options that you haven't told us about.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> > news:%bdAb.85626$Ek.584@twister.austin.rr.com...
> > > Exactly. You never know if they have my configuration sitting on a
train
> > > waiting till the day after the rebate expires to call me and tell me
its
> > > arrived so i can "take delivery" of it.
> > >
> > > I know I know theres a certain amount of trust involved but the dealer
> is
> > in
> > > business to make money.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
message
> > > news:20031205131634547-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > > > On 05 Dec 2003 12:10 PM, mabar posted the following:
> > > > > Del:
> > > > >
> > > > > The rebate applies to vehicles at the time of delivery only, so
the
> > > > > rebate may or may not be available at the time an ordered vehicle
> > > > > arrives.
> > > >
> > > > I guess if the original poster is happy doing business that way, but
I
> > > > wouldn't agree to those terms.
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

I live just outside of San Diego, and most of the TJs sold here have the
Dual Top option. I should say that differently, when I have been to my local
stealership for some kind of unique parts, and have walked the lot while
waiting, most of the TJs that I see have the Dual Top option.

You will not find any ABS units with a D44 axle, and you can not order ABS
with a D44. So, if the D44 is part of the option package you are looking
for, give up on the ABS because you will not get it. The D44 is a much more
valuable optin than the ABS, so do not insist on ABS if you are thinking of
the D44. Take the D44 without the ABS, and never look back.

I don't see how ABS is going to help you if somebody runs into the back of
your Jeep. ABS might, and I stress MIGHT, help you avoid running into
somebody that is stopped in front of you, but only because you can still
steer while you are panicing. If you can manage to control the panic, then
you can still steer and perhaps miss the guy in front. My ABS in the Wife's
minivan caused my stopping distance to become so damn long that it actually
caused a rear end accident. I'll have to admit that crash avoidance that
particular day just wasn't in the cards, so the entire blame is not on the
brakes. but, if I didn't have ABS, then I would have had four tires that
were actually working to slow me down. With the ABS system on the minivan,
the rear brakes took a bye at the absolute worst possible moment. All I
could do was sit and watch as the metal folded.




"Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
news:VH9Bb.20717$HH.16667@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> I'm in houston and I can't find anything with ABS (even used) around here.
> Being rear-end capital of the world, you'd think everything would have
ABS.
> Also, almost none of the Jeeps on anyone's lot has a hard/dual top. I
guess
> people associate hard tops with keeping out the cold or something. Cold is
a
> relative term, however. I'm from New Jersey and have spent a fair amount
of
> time in the midwest. -70 wind chill is cold. I'll probably have my soft
top
> on most of the time since it never really gets cold enough (for me) to not
> have the windows down.
>
> Trust me - if i found something with ABS and soft top, i'd have driven it
> off someones lot a few days ago.. I even considered looking in dallas
(they
> get snow like once every 2 years) thinking I might be able to buy
something
> with ABS.
>
> Dealer will honor the rebate and increase it if it increases upon
delivery.
>
> ..and "weird" to this NG is a XJ without a dana 44! :-)
>
>
> "CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
> news:vt7oes3iou5u87@corp.supernews.com...
> > You need to order from dealer stock to get the rebate. If you can find a
> > dual top with ABS on a lot somewhere, then you should be able to get the
> > rebate. Honestly, I don't see that you order is all that wierd, unless
> there
> > are other options that you haven't told us about.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> > news:%bdAb.85626$Ek.584@twister.austin.rr.com...
> > > Exactly. You never know if they have my configuration sitting on a
train
> > > waiting till the day after the rebate expires to call me and tell me
its
> > > arrived so i can "take delivery" of it.
> > >
> > > I know I know theres a certain amount of trust involved but the dealer
> is
> > in
> > > business to make money.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
message
> > > news:20031205131634547-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > > > On 05 Dec 2003 12:10 PM, mabar posted the following:
> > > > > Del:
> > > > >
> > > > > The rebate applies to vehicles at the time of delivery only, so
the
> > > > > rebate may or may not be available at the time an ordered vehicle
> > > > > arrives.
> > > >
> > > > I guess if the original poster is happy doing business that way, but
I
> > > > wouldn't agree to those terms.
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

I live just outside of San Diego, and most of the TJs sold here have the
Dual Top option. I should say that differently, when I have been to my local
stealership for some kind of unique parts, and have walked the lot while
waiting, most of the TJs that I see have the Dual Top option.

You will not find any ABS units with a D44 axle, and you can not order ABS
with a D44. So, if the D44 is part of the option package you are looking
for, give up on the ABS because you will not get it. The D44 is a much more
valuable optin than the ABS, so do not insist on ABS if you are thinking of
the D44. Take the D44 without the ABS, and never look back.

I don't see how ABS is going to help you if somebody runs into the back of
your Jeep. ABS might, and I stress MIGHT, help you avoid running into
somebody that is stopped in front of you, but only because you can still
steer while you are panicing. If you can manage to control the panic, then
you can still steer and perhaps miss the guy in front. My ABS in the Wife's
minivan caused my stopping distance to become so damn long that it actually
caused a rear end accident. I'll have to admit that crash avoidance that
particular day just wasn't in the cards, so the entire blame is not on the
brakes. but, if I didn't have ABS, then I would have had four tires that
were actually working to slow me down. With the ABS system on the minivan,
the rear brakes took a bye at the absolute worst possible moment. All I
could do was sit and watch as the metal folded.




"Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
news:VH9Bb.20717$HH.16667@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> I'm in houston and I can't find anything with ABS (even used) around here.
> Being rear-end capital of the world, you'd think everything would have
ABS.
> Also, almost none of the Jeeps on anyone's lot has a hard/dual top. I
guess
> people associate hard tops with keeping out the cold or something. Cold is
a
> relative term, however. I'm from New Jersey and have spent a fair amount
of
> time in the midwest. -70 wind chill is cold. I'll probably have my soft
top
> on most of the time since it never really gets cold enough (for me) to not
> have the windows down.
>
> Trust me - if i found something with ABS and soft top, i'd have driven it
> off someones lot a few days ago.. I even considered looking in dallas
(they
> get snow like once every 2 years) thinking I might be able to buy
something
> with ABS.
>
> Dealer will honor the rebate and increase it if it increases upon
delivery.
>
> ..and "weird" to this NG is a XJ without a dana 44! :-)
>
>
> "CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
> news:vt7oes3iou5u87@corp.supernews.com...
> > You need to order from dealer stock to get the rebate. If you can find a
> > dual top with ABS on a lot somewhere, then you should be able to get the
> > rebate. Honestly, I don't see that you order is all that wierd, unless
> there
> > are other options that you haven't told us about.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> > news:%bdAb.85626$Ek.584@twister.austin.rr.com...
> > > Exactly. You never know if they have my configuration sitting on a
train
> > > waiting till the day after the rebate expires to call me and tell me
its
> > > arrived so i can "take delivery" of it.
> > >
> > > I know I know theres a certain amount of trust involved but the dealer
> is
> > in
> > > business to make money.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
message
> > > news:20031205131634547-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > > > On 05 Dec 2003 12:10 PM, mabar posted the following:
> > > > > Del:
> > > > >
> > > > > The rebate applies to vehicles at the time of delivery only, so
the
> > > > > rebate may or may not be available at the time an ordered vehicle
> > > > > arrives.
> > > >
> > > > I guess if the original poster is happy doing business that way, but
I
> > > > wouldn't agree to those terms.
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

Just curious, was it a Grand Caravan? Because the '99 that we use at work
has ABS and there's definitely too much braking distance during hard
braking.

Paul


"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vtcmbe5lph7t67@corp.supernews.com...
> I live just outside of San Diego, and most of the TJs sold here have the
> Dual Top option. I should say that differently, when I have been to my
local
> stealership for some kind of unique parts, and have walked the lot while
> waiting, most of the TJs that I see have the Dual Top option.
>
> You will not find any ABS units with a D44 axle, and you can not order ABS
> with a D44. So, if the D44 is part of the option package you are looking
> for, give up on the ABS because you will not get it. The D44 is a much
more
> valuable optin than the ABS, so do not insist on ABS if you are thinking
of
> the D44. Take the D44 without the ABS, and never look back.
>
> I don't see how ABS is going to help you if somebody runs into the back of
> your Jeep. ABS might, and I stress MIGHT, help you avoid running into
> somebody that is stopped in front of you, but only because you can still
> steer while you are panicing. If you can manage to control the panic, then
> you can still steer and perhaps miss the guy in front. My ABS in the
Wife's
> minivan caused my stopping distance to become so damn long that it
actually
> caused a rear end accident. I'll have to admit that crash avoidance that
> particular day just wasn't in the cards, so the entire blame is not on the
> brakes. but, if I didn't have ABS, then I would have had four tires that
> were actually working to slow me down. With the ABS system on the minivan,
> the rear brakes took a bye at the absolute worst possible moment. All I
> could do was sit and watch as the metal folded.
>
>
>
>
> "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> news:VH9Bb.20717$HH.16667@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> > I'm in houston and I can't find anything with ABS (even used) around
here.
> > Being rear-end capital of the world, you'd think everything would have
> ABS.
> > Also, almost none of the Jeeps on anyone's lot has a hard/dual top. I
> guess
> > people associate hard tops with keeping out the cold or something. Cold
is
> a
> > relative term, however. I'm from New Jersey and have spent a fair amount
> of
> > time in the midwest. -70 wind chill is cold. I'll probably have my soft
> top
> > on most of the time since it never really gets cold enough (for me) to
not
> > have the windows down.
> >
> > Trust me - if i found something with ABS and soft top, i'd have driven
it
> > off someones lot a few days ago.. I even considered looking in dallas
> (they
> > get snow like once every 2 years) thinking I might be able to buy
> something
> > with ABS.
> >
> > Dealer will honor the rebate and increase it if it increases upon
> delivery.
> >
> > ..and "weird" to this NG is a XJ without a dana 44! :-)
> >
> >
> > "CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
> > news:vt7oes3iou5u87@corp.supernews.com...
> > > You need to order from dealer stock to get the rebate. If you can find
a
> > > dual top with ABS on a lot somewhere, then you should be able to get
the
> > > rebate. Honestly, I don't see that you order is all that wierd, unless
> > there
> > > are other options that you haven't told us about.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> > > news:%bdAb.85626$Ek.584@twister.austin.rr.com...
> > > > Exactly. You never know if they have my configuration sitting on a
> train
> > > > waiting till the day after the rebate expires to call me and tell me
> its
> > > > arrived so i can "take delivery" of it.
> > > >
> > > > I know I know theres a certain amount of trust involved but the
dealer
> > is
> > > in
> > > > business to make money.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
> message
> > > > news:20031205131634547-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > > > > On 05 Dec 2003 12:10 PM, mabar posted the following:
> > > > > > Del:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The rebate applies to vehicles at the time of delivery only, so
> the
> > > > > > rebate may or may not be available at the time an ordered
vehicle
> > > > > > arrives.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess if the original poster is happy doing business that way,
but
> I
> > > > > wouldn't agree to those terms.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

 

Just curious, was it a Grand Caravan? Because the '99 that we use at work
has ABS and there's definitely too much braking distance during hard
braking.

Paul


"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vtcmbe5lph7t67@corp.supernews.com...
> I live just outside of San Diego, and most of the TJs sold here have the
> Dual Top option. I should say that differently, when I have been to my
local
> stealership for some kind of unique parts, and have walked the lot while
> waiting, most of the TJs that I see have the Dual Top option.
>
> You will not find any ABS units with a D44 axle, and you can not order ABS
> with a D44. So, if the D44 is part of the option package you are looking
> for, give up on the ABS because you will not get it. The D44 is a much
more
> valuable optin than the ABS, so do not insist on ABS if you are thinking
of
> the D44. Take the D44 without the ABS, and never look back.
>
> I don't see how ABS is going to help you if somebody runs into the back of
> your Jeep. ABS might, and I stress MIGHT, help you avoid running into
> somebody that is stopped in front of you, but only because you can still
> steer while you are panicing. If you can manage to control the panic, then
> you can still steer and perhaps miss the guy in front. My ABS in the
Wife's
> minivan caused my stopping distance to become so damn long that it
actually
> caused a rear end accident. I'll have to admit that crash avoidance that
> particular day just wasn't in the cards, so the entire blame is not on the
> brakes. but, if I didn't have ABS, then I would have had four tires that
> were actually working to slow me down. With the ABS system on the minivan,
> the rear brakes took a bye at the absolute worst possible moment. All I
> could do was sit and watch as the metal folded.
>
>
>
>
> "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> news:VH9Bb.20717$HH.16667@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> > I'm in houston and I can't find anything with ABS (even used) around
here.
> > Being rear-end capital of the world, you'd think everything would have
> ABS.
> > Also, almost none of the Jeeps on anyone's lot has a hard/dual top. I
> guess
> > people associate hard tops with keeping out the cold or something. Cold
is
> a
> > relative term, however. I'm from New Jersey and have spent a fair amount
> of
> > time in the midwest. -70 wind chill is cold. I'll probably have my soft
> top
> > on most of the time since it never really gets cold enough (for me) to
not
> > have the windows down.
> >
> > Trust me - if i found something with ABS and soft top, i'd have driven
it
> > off someones lot a few days ago.. I even considered looking in dallas
> (they
> > get snow like once every 2 years) thinking I might be able to buy
> something
> > with ABS.
> >
> > Dealer will honor the rebate and increase it if it increases upon
> delivery.
> >
> > ..and "weird" to this NG is a XJ without a dana 44! :-)
> >
> >
> > "CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
> > news:vt7oes3iou5u87@corp.supernews.com...
> > > You need to order from dealer stock to get the rebate. If you can find
a
> > > dual top with ABS on a lot somewhere, then you should be able to get
the
> > > rebate. Honestly, I don't see that you order is all that wierd, unless
> > there
> > > are other options that you haven't told us about.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> > > news:%bdAb.85626$Ek.584@twister.austin.rr.com...
> > > > Exactly. You never know if they have my configuration sitting on a
> train
> > > > waiting till the day after the rebate expires to call me and tell me
> its
> > > > arrived so i can "take delivery" of it.
> > > >
> > > > I know I know theres a certain amount of trust involved but the
dealer
> > is
> > > in
> > > > business to make money.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
> message
> > > > news:20031205131634547-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > > > > On 05 Dec 2003 12:10 PM, mabar posted the following:
> > > > > > Del:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The rebate applies to vehicles at the time of delivery only, so
> the
> > > > > > rebate may or may not be available at the time an ordered
vehicle
> > > > > > arrives.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess if the original poster is happy doing business that way,
but
> I
> > > > > wouldn't agree to those terms.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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