Just curious, was it a Grand Caravan? Because the '99 that we use at work
has ABS and there's definitely too much braking distance during hard
braking.

Paul


"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vtcmbe5lph7t67@corp.supernews.com...
> I live just outside of San Diego, and most of the TJs sold here have the
> Dual Top option. I should say that differently, when I have been to my
local
> stealership for some kind of unique parts, and have walked the lot while
> waiting, most of the TJs that I see have the Dual Top option.
>
> You will not find any ABS units with a D44 axle, and you can not order ABS
> with a D44. So, if the D44 is part of the option package you are looking
> for, give up on the ABS because you will not get it. The D44 is a much
more
> valuable optin than the ABS, so do not insist on ABS if you are thinking
of
> the D44. Take the D44 without the ABS, and never look back.
>
> I don't see how ABS is going to help you if somebody runs into the back of
> your Jeep. ABS might, and I stress MIGHT, help you avoid running into
> somebody that is stopped in front of you, but only because you can still
> steer while you are panicing. If you can manage to control the panic, then
> you can still steer and perhaps miss the guy in front. My ABS in the
Wife's
> minivan caused my stopping distance to become so damn long that it
actually
> caused a rear end accident. I'll have to admit that crash avoidance that
> particular day just wasn't in the cards, so the entire blame is not on the
> brakes. but, if I didn't have ABS, then I would have had four tires that
> were actually working to slow me down. With the ABS system on the minivan,
> the rear brakes took a bye at the absolute worst possible moment. All I
> could do was sit and watch as the metal folded.
>
>
>
>
> "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> news:VH9Bb.20717$HH.16667@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> > I'm in houston and I can't find anything with ABS (even used) around
here.
> > Being rear-end capital of the world, you'd think everything would have
> ABS.
> > Also, almost none of the Jeeps on anyone's lot has a hard/dual top. I
> guess
> > people associate hard tops with keeping out the cold or something. Cold
is
> a
> > relative term, however. I'm from New Jersey and have spent a fair amount
> of
> > time in the midwest. -70 wind chill is cold. I'll probably have my soft
> top
> > on most of the time since it never really gets cold enough (for me) to
not
> > have the windows down.
> >
> > Trust me - if i found something with ABS and soft top, i'd have driven
it
> > off someones lot a few days ago.. I even considered looking in dallas
> (they
> > get snow like once every 2 years) thinking I might be able to buy
> something
> > with ABS.
> >
> > Dealer will honor the rebate and increase it if it increases upon
> delivery.
> >
> > ..and "weird" to this NG is a XJ without a dana 44! :-)
> >
> >
> > "CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
> > news:vt7oes3iou5u87@corp.supernews.com...
> > > You need to order from dealer stock to get the rebate. If you can find
a
> > > dual top with ABS on a lot somewhere, then you should be able to get
the
> > > rebate. Honestly, I don't see that you order is all that wierd, unless
> > there
> > > are other options that you haven't told us about.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> > > news:%bdAb.85626$Ek.584@twister.austin.rr.com...
> > > > Exactly. You never know if they have my configuration sitting on a
> train
> > > > waiting till the day after the rebate expires to call me and tell me
> its
> > > > arrived so i can "take delivery" of it.
> > > >
> > > > I know I know theres a certain amount of trust involved but the
dealer
> > is
> > > in
> > > > business to make money.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
> message
> > > > news:20031205131634547-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > > > > On 05 Dec 2003 12:10 PM, mabar posted the following:
> > > > > > Del:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The rebate applies to vehicles at the time of delivery only, so
> the
> > > > > > rebate may or may not be available at the time an ordered
vehicle
> > > > > > arrives.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess if the original poster is happy doing business that way,
but
> I
> > > > > wouldn't agree to those terms.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------
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> > > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

 

On 09 Dec 2003 03:00 PM, Paul Brogren posted the following:
> Just curious, was it a Grand Caravan? Because the '99 that we use at
> work has ABS and there's definitely too much braking distance during
> hard braking.

If you don't know how to operate an ABS equipped vehicle, then yeah, the
stopping distance will be longer. It is difficult for somebody used to
driving non ABS rigs to just mash the pedal down and hold it while the
system does its work. The natural reaction is to let up, since that is
what you do with conventional brakes, but it is exactly the wrong thing
to do, and WILL lead to longer stopping distances.

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On 09 Dec 2003 03:00 PM, Paul Brogren posted the following:
> Just curious, was it a Grand Caravan? Because the '99 that we use at
> work has ABS and there's definitely too much braking distance during
> hard braking.

If you don't know how to operate an ABS equipped vehicle, then yeah, the
stopping distance will be longer. It is difficult for somebody used to
driving non ABS rigs to just mash the pedal down and hold it while the
system does its work. The natural reaction is to let up, since that is
what you do with conventional brakes, but it is exactly the wrong thing
to do, and WILL lead to longer stopping distances.

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On 09 Dec 2003 03:00 PM, Paul Brogren posted the following:
> Just curious, was it a Grand Caravan? Because the '99 that we use at
> work has ABS and there's definitely too much braking distance during
> hard braking.

If you don't know how to operate an ABS equipped vehicle, then yeah, the
stopping distance will be longer. It is difficult for somebody used to
driving non ABS rigs to just mash the pedal down and hold it while the
system does its work. The natural reaction is to let up, since that is
what you do with conventional brakes, but it is exactly the wrong thing
to do, and WILL lead to longer stopping distances.

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On 09 Dec 2003 10:31 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> Yup, they are just another 'failed' attempt to compensate for lack of
> driver training.

The increased stopping distances are a reflection of a lack of driver
training with the new equipment, not of any problem with the ABS systems.
You and I are not physically capable of outbraking a properly set up
computer.

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On 09 Dec 2003 10:31 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> Yup, they are just another 'failed' attempt to compensate for lack of
> driver training.

The increased stopping distances are a reflection of a lack of driver
training with the new equipment, not of any problem with the ABS systems.
You and I are not physically capable of outbraking a properly set up
computer.

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On 09 Dec 2003 10:31 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> Yup, they are just another 'failed' attempt to compensate for lack of
> driver training.

The increased stopping distances are a reflection of a lack of driver
training with the new equipment, not of any problem with the ABS systems.
You and I are not physically capable of outbraking a properly set up
computer.

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On 09 Dec 2003 02:21 PM, CRWLR posted the following:

> You will not find any ABS units with a D44 axle, and you can not order
> ABS with a D44. So, if the D44 is part of the option package you are
> looking for, give up on the ABS because you will not get it. The D44
> is a much more valuable optin than the ABS, so do not insist on ABS if
> you are thinking of the D44. Take the D44 without the ABS, and never
> look back.

That is easy enough for somebody living in southern california, who will
never have any use for ABS to say. In snow and ice, ABS can be a real
asset and after having it on my last 2 rigs, I wouldn't buy a new
vehicle that didn't come with it. When was the last time you drove to
work on icy, snow covered roads? I've been doing it every morning for
the last month and a half and I like having ABS on my Jeep. Sure, a
good driver can and will get by just fine without it, but it can be a
valuable thing to have on occasion when the guy ahead of you does
something dumb. Then there was the day that I tried to make that right
hand turn too fast in my S-10 on the ice a few years ago. The ABS took
me right around that corner and even kept me in my own lane; with
standard brakes I most likely would have slid across the intersection
and into the ditch, a victim of my own stupidity.

As for the D-44 with ABS, you just can't get it that way from the
factory. The aftermarket can provide you with an ABS equipped D-44, but
you can expect to pay for the privelege of having your cake and eating
it too.

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On 09 Dec 2003 02:21 PM, CRWLR posted the following:

> You will not find any ABS units with a D44 axle, and you can not order
> ABS with a D44. So, if the D44 is part of the option package you are
> looking for, give up on the ABS because you will not get it. The D44
> is a much more valuable optin than the ABS, so do not insist on ABS if
> you are thinking of the D44. Take the D44 without the ABS, and never
> look back.

That is easy enough for somebody living in southern california, who will
never have any use for ABS to say. In snow and ice, ABS can be a real
asset and after having it on my last 2 rigs, I wouldn't buy a new
vehicle that didn't come with it. When was the last time you drove to
work on icy, snow covered roads? I've been doing it every morning for
the last month and a half and I like having ABS on my Jeep. Sure, a
good driver can and will get by just fine without it, but it can be a
valuable thing to have on occasion when the guy ahead of you does
something dumb. Then there was the day that I tried to make that right
hand turn too fast in my S-10 on the ice a few years ago. The ABS took
me right around that corner and even kept me in my own lane; with
standard brakes I most likely would have slid across the intersection
and into the ditch, a victim of my own stupidity.

As for the D-44 with ABS, you just can't get it that way from the
factory. The aftermarket can provide you with an ABS equipped D-44, but
you can expect to pay for the privelege of having your cake and eating
it too.

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On 09 Dec 2003 02:21 PM, CRWLR posted the following:

> You will not find any ABS units with a D44 axle, and you can not order
> ABS with a D44. So, if the D44 is part of the option package you are
> looking for, give up on the ABS because you will not get it. The D44
> is a much more valuable optin than the ABS, so do not insist on ABS if
> you are thinking of the D44. Take the D44 without the ABS, and never
> look back.

That is easy enough for somebody living in southern california, who will
never have any use for ABS to say. In snow and ice, ABS can be a real
asset and after having it on my last 2 rigs, I wouldn't buy a new
vehicle that didn't come with it. When was the last time you drove to
work on icy, snow covered roads? I've been doing it every morning for
the last month and a half and I like having ABS on my Jeep. Sure, a
good driver can and will get by just fine without it, but it can be a
valuable thing to have on occasion when the guy ahead of you does
something dumb. Then there was the day that I tried to make that right
hand turn too fast in my S-10 on the ice a few years ago. The ABS took
me right around that corner and even kept me in my own lane; with
standard brakes I most likely would have slid across the intersection
and into the ditch, a victim of my own stupidity.

As for the D-44 with ABS, you just can't get it that way from the
factory. The aftermarket can provide you with an ABS equipped D-44, but
you can expect to pay for the privelege of having your cake and eating
it too.

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