Opinions on fixing up a 1989 Cherokee Laredo 4x4
08-05-2004, 10:58 PM
#31
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Re: Opinions on fixing up a 1989 Cherokee Laredo 4x4
First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance, it's
an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they behave,
can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as you
idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to the
bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at all.
Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the wheel
would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump around,
not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the rotation
of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to each
revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle up
and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll bet
you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all shocks
are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not leaking
oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas charge,
but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
Steve G.
"Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
> The reason I don't think it has anything to do with the wheel/tire
> combo is that it wobbles badly at slow speeds but is fine at high
> speeds. I am not positive but I thought if the tires were not
> balanced they would wobble at higher speeds rather then low. Also the
> tires are not that old and still are in good shape. I would say less
> then three years old and less the 10,000 miles. Good tread and no
> rotting. Of course that does not mean that they are not borked
> inside. Like I said I went through the jeep manual and went through
> their list of things that could be wrong and came up with the pump. I
> agree that it sounds very weird and I have no experience at all with
> power steering pumps so you probably know better then me.
>
> Could it be a blown bushing in the front suspension, or wheel bearing?
> I will take a good look at it this weekend. I will inspect the
> suspension and rotate the tires. If I go through with this
> restoration I would defiantly get a bushing kit and just have at it.
>
> I have another question, do anyone know if shocks have a shelf life?
> My dad bought 2 complete sets of shocks some 8 years ago, we put one
> set and held onto the other four. Are they any good to use or do they
> loose pressure sitting on the shelf for so long?
>
> Thanks again
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:<HIvQc.17294$gE.17210@pd7tw3no>...
> > First off, on your steering issue, I would be very surprised if it were
the
> > PS pump. more like totally shocked. It is most probably a broken cord
or
> > belt in one of your front tires. You may not be able to see it, but
could
> > certainly still feel it. First thing I would do is put the rear tires
to
> > the front and see if that makes a difference. Better yet would be to
put
> > tires of a known good quality on the front, as your rear ones may be as
old
> > and problematic as the front but you can't feel it because there's no
> > steering wheel attached to them. Borrowing a pair off the front of a
> > buddy's jeep that does not display the problem would be best.
> > There really isn't a good way to replace the rockers without
encountering
> > the problems you describe. There are weld thru primers, but they only
> > really work on spot welded panels and while you could spotweld the
bottom
> > seam in place there would be no avoiding a butt or lap weld at the top
and
> > sides. More importantly is that you seal the welds and any holes
properly
> > and then use recommended paint procedures and products. A good epoxy
primer
> > over a surface treated with Picklex 20 makes a good start. From there
make
> > sure you cover it with good quality Urathane basecoat/clearcoat. Know
too
> > that most primers are not waterproof. They need to be sealed. We've
all
> > seen spots where someone has sanded to bare metal than shot rattle can
> > primer on it and seen the rust that develops right through the primer.
> > Once you've done all of that, keep an eye on them. Most rustouts
start
> > with a small chip in the paint or the seam sealer failing and grow from
> > there. Catch those chips or flaking seam sealer early and you could
make it
> > last indefinately.
> > Steve G.
an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they behave,
can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as you
idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to the
bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at all.
Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the wheel
would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump around,
not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the rotation
of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to each
revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle up
and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll bet
you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all shocks
are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not leaking
oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas charge,
but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
Steve G.
"Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
> The reason I don't think it has anything to do with the wheel/tire
> combo is that it wobbles badly at slow speeds but is fine at high
> speeds. I am not positive but I thought if the tires were not
> balanced they would wobble at higher speeds rather then low. Also the
> tires are not that old and still are in good shape. I would say less
> then three years old and less the 10,000 miles. Good tread and no
> rotting. Of course that does not mean that they are not borked
> inside. Like I said I went through the jeep manual and went through
> their list of things that could be wrong and came up with the pump. I
> agree that it sounds very weird and I have no experience at all with
> power steering pumps so you probably know better then me.
>
> Could it be a blown bushing in the front suspension, or wheel bearing?
> I will take a good look at it this weekend. I will inspect the
> suspension and rotate the tires. If I go through with this
> restoration I would defiantly get a bushing kit and just have at it.
>
> I have another question, do anyone know if shocks have a shelf life?
> My dad bought 2 complete sets of shocks some 8 years ago, we put one
> set and held onto the other four. Are they any good to use or do they
> loose pressure sitting on the shelf for so long?
>
> Thanks again
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:<HIvQc.17294$gE.17210@pd7tw3no>...
> > First off, on your steering issue, I would be very surprised if it were
the
> > PS pump. more like totally shocked. It is most probably a broken cord
or
> > belt in one of your front tires. You may not be able to see it, but
could
> > certainly still feel it. First thing I would do is put the rear tires
to
> > the front and see if that makes a difference. Better yet would be to
put
> > tires of a known good quality on the front, as your rear ones may be as
old
> > and problematic as the front but you can't feel it because there's no
> > steering wheel attached to them. Borrowing a pair off the front of a
> > buddy's jeep that does not display the problem would be best.
> > There really isn't a good way to replace the rockers without
encountering
> > the problems you describe. There are weld thru primers, but they only
> > really work on spot welded panels and while you could spotweld the
bottom
> > seam in place there would be no avoiding a butt or lap weld at the top
and
> > sides. More importantly is that you seal the welds and any holes
properly
> > and then use recommended paint procedures and products. A good epoxy
primer
> > over a surface treated with Picklex 20 makes a good start. From there
make
> > sure you cover it with good quality Urathane basecoat/clearcoat. Know
too
> > that most primers are not waterproof. They need to be sealed. We've
all
> > seen spots where someone has sanded to bare metal than shot rattle can
> > primer on it and seen the rust that develops right through the primer.
> > Once you've done all of that, keep an eye on them. Most rustouts
start
> > with a small chip in the paint or the seam sealer failing and grow from
> > there. Catch those chips or flaking seam sealer early and you could
make it
> > last indefinately.
> > Steve G.
08-05-2004, 10:58 PM
#32
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Re: Opinions on fixing up a 1989 Cherokee Laredo 4x4
First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance, it's
an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they behave,
can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as you
idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to the
bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at all.
Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the wheel
would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump around,
not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the rotation
of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to each
revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle up
and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll bet
you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all shocks
are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not leaking
oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas charge,
but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
Steve G.
"Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
> The reason I don't think it has anything to do with the wheel/tire
> combo is that it wobbles badly at slow speeds but is fine at high
> speeds. I am not positive but I thought if the tires were not
> balanced they would wobble at higher speeds rather then low. Also the
> tires are not that old and still are in good shape. I would say less
> then three years old and less the 10,000 miles. Good tread and no
> rotting. Of course that does not mean that they are not borked
> inside. Like I said I went through the jeep manual and went through
> their list of things that could be wrong and came up with the pump. I
> agree that it sounds very weird and I have no experience at all with
> power steering pumps so you probably know better then me.
>
> Could it be a blown bushing in the front suspension, or wheel bearing?
> I will take a good look at it this weekend. I will inspect the
> suspension and rotate the tires. If I go through with this
> restoration I would defiantly get a bushing kit and just have at it.
>
> I have another question, do anyone know if shocks have a shelf life?
> My dad bought 2 complete sets of shocks some 8 years ago, we put one
> set and held onto the other four. Are they any good to use or do they
> loose pressure sitting on the shelf for so long?
>
> Thanks again
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:<HIvQc.17294$gE.17210@pd7tw3no>...
> > First off, on your steering issue, I would be very surprised if it were
the
> > PS pump. more like totally shocked. It is most probably a broken cord
or
> > belt in one of your front tires. You may not be able to see it, but
could
> > certainly still feel it. First thing I would do is put the rear tires
to
> > the front and see if that makes a difference. Better yet would be to
put
> > tires of a known good quality on the front, as your rear ones may be as
old
> > and problematic as the front but you can't feel it because there's no
> > steering wheel attached to them. Borrowing a pair off the front of a
> > buddy's jeep that does not display the problem would be best.
> > There really isn't a good way to replace the rockers without
encountering
> > the problems you describe. There are weld thru primers, but they only
> > really work on spot welded panels and while you could spotweld the
bottom
> > seam in place there would be no avoiding a butt or lap weld at the top
and
> > sides. More importantly is that you seal the welds and any holes
properly
> > and then use recommended paint procedures and products. A good epoxy
primer
> > over a surface treated with Picklex 20 makes a good start. From there
make
> > sure you cover it with good quality Urathane basecoat/clearcoat. Know
too
> > that most primers are not waterproof. They need to be sealed. We've
all
> > seen spots where someone has sanded to bare metal than shot rattle can
> > primer on it and seen the rust that develops right through the primer.
> > Once you've done all of that, keep an eye on them. Most rustouts
start
> > with a small chip in the paint or the seam sealer failing and grow from
> > there. Catch those chips or flaking seam sealer early and you could
make it
> > last indefinately.
> > Steve G.
an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they behave,
can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as you
idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to the
bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at all.
Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the wheel
would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump around,
not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the rotation
of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to each
revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle up
and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll bet
you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all shocks
are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not leaking
oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas charge,
but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
Steve G.
"Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
> The reason I don't think it has anything to do with the wheel/tire
> combo is that it wobbles badly at slow speeds but is fine at high
> speeds. I am not positive but I thought if the tires were not
> balanced they would wobble at higher speeds rather then low. Also the
> tires are not that old and still are in good shape. I would say less
> then three years old and less the 10,000 miles. Good tread and no
> rotting. Of course that does not mean that they are not borked
> inside. Like I said I went through the jeep manual and went through
> their list of things that could be wrong and came up with the pump. I
> agree that it sounds very weird and I have no experience at all with
> power steering pumps so you probably know better then me.
>
> Could it be a blown bushing in the front suspension, or wheel bearing?
> I will take a good look at it this weekend. I will inspect the
> suspension and rotate the tires. If I go through with this
> restoration I would defiantly get a bushing kit and just have at it.
>
> I have another question, do anyone know if shocks have a shelf life?
> My dad bought 2 complete sets of shocks some 8 years ago, we put one
> set and held onto the other four. Are they any good to use or do they
> loose pressure sitting on the shelf for so long?
>
> Thanks again
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:<HIvQc.17294$gE.17210@pd7tw3no>...
> > First off, on your steering issue, I would be very surprised if it were
the
> > PS pump. more like totally shocked. It is most probably a broken cord
or
> > belt in one of your front tires. You may not be able to see it, but
could
> > certainly still feel it. First thing I would do is put the rear tires
to
> > the front and see if that makes a difference. Better yet would be to
put
> > tires of a known good quality on the front, as your rear ones may be as
old
> > and problematic as the front but you can't feel it because there's no
> > steering wheel attached to them. Borrowing a pair off the front of a
> > buddy's jeep that does not display the problem would be best.
> > There really isn't a good way to replace the rockers without
encountering
> > the problems you describe. There are weld thru primers, but they only
> > really work on spot welded panels and while you could spotweld the
bottom
> > seam in place there would be no avoiding a butt or lap weld at the top
and
> > sides. More importantly is that you seal the welds and any holes
properly
> > and then use recommended paint procedures and products. A good epoxy
primer
> > over a surface treated with Picklex 20 makes a good start. From there
make
> > sure you cover it with good quality Urathane basecoat/clearcoat. Know
too
> > that most primers are not waterproof. They need to be sealed. We've
all
> > seen spots where someone has sanded to bare metal than shot rattle can
> > primer on it and seen the rust that develops right through the primer.
> > Once you've done all of that, keep an eye on them. Most rustouts
start
> > with a small chip in the paint or the seam sealer failing and grow from
> > there. Catch those chips or flaking seam sealer early and you could
make it
> > last indefinately.
> > Steve G.
08-05-2004, 10:58 PM
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Opinions on fixing up a 1989 Cherokee Laredo 4x4
First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance, it's
an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they behave,
can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as you
idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to the
bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at all.
Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the wheel
would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump around,
not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the rotation
of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to each
revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle up
and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll bet
you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all shocks
are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not leaking
oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas charge,
but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
Steve G.
"Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
> The reason I don't think it has anything to do with the wheel/tire
> combo is that it wobbles badly at slow speeds but is fine at high
> speeds. I am not positive but I thought if the tires were not
> balanced they would wobble at higher speeds rather then low. Also the
> tires are not that old and still are in good shape. I would say less
> then three years old and less the 10,000 miles. Good tread and no
> rotting. Of course that does not mean that they are not borked
> inside. Like I said I went through the jeep manual and went through
> their list of things that could be wrong and came up with the pump. I
> agree that it sounds very weird and I have no experience at all with
> power steering pumps so you probably know better then me.
>
> Could it be a blown bushing in the front suspension, or wheel bearing?
> I will take a good look at it this weekend. I will inspect the
> suspension and rotate the tires. If I go through with this
> restoration I would defiantly get a bushing kit and just have at it.
>
> I have another question, do anyone know if shocks have a shelf life?
> My dad bought 2 complete sets of shocks some 8 years ago, we put one
> set and held onto the other four. Are they any good to use or do they
> loose pressure sitting on the shelf for so long?
>
> Thanks again
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:<HIvQc.17294$gE.17210@pd7tw3no>...
> > First off, on your steering issue, I would be very surprised if it were
the
> > PS pump. more like totally shocked. It is most probably a broken cord
or
> > belt in one of your front tires. You may not be able to see it, but
could
> > certainly still feel it. First thing I would do is put the rear tires
to
> > the front and see if that makes a difference. Better yet would be to
put
> > tires of a known good quality on the front, as your rear ones may be as
old
> > and problematic as the front but you can't feel it because there's no
> > steering wheel attached to them. Borrowing a pair off the front of a
> > buddy's jeep that does not display the problem would be best.
> > There really isn't a good way to replace the rockers without
encountering
> > the problems you describe. There are weld thru primers, but they only
> > really work on spot welded panels and while you could spotweld the
bottom
> > seam in place there would be no avoiding a butt or lap weld at the top
and
> > sides. More importantly is that you seal the welds and any holes
properly
> > and then use recommended paint procedures and products. A good epoxy
primer
> > over a surface treated with Picklex 20 makes a good start. From there
make
> > sure you cover it with good quality Urathane basecoat/clearcoat. Know
too
> > that most primers are not waterproof. They need to be sealed. We've
all
> > seen spots where someone has sanded to bare metal than shot rattle can
> > primer on it and seen the rust that develops right through the primer.
> > Once you've done all of that, keep an eye on them. Most rustouts
start
> > with a small chip in the paint or the seam sealer failing and grow from
> > there. Catch those chips or flaking seam sealer early and you could
make it
> > last indefinately.
> > Steve G.
an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they behave,
can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as you
idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to the
bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at all.
Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the wheel
would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump around,
not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the rotation
of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to each
revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle up
and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll bet
you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all shocks
are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not leaking
oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas charge,
but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
Steve G.
"Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
> The reason I don't think it has anything to do with the wheel/tire
> combo is that it wobbles badly at slow speeds but is fine at high
> speeds. I am not positive but I thought if the tires were not
> balanced they would wobble at higher speeds rather then low. Also the
> tires are not that old and still are in good shape. I would say less
> then three years old and less the 10,000 miles. Good tread and no
> rotting. Of course that does not mean that they are not borked
> inside. Like I said I went through the jeep manual and went through
> their list of things that could be wrong and came up with the pump. I
> agree that it sounds very weird and I have no experience at all with
> power steering pumps so you probably know better then me.
>
> Could it be a blown bushing in the front suspension, or wheel bearing?
> I will take a good look at it this weekend. I will inspect the
> suspension and rotate the tires. If I go through with this
> restoration I would defiantly get a bushing kit and just have at it.
>
> I have another question, do anyone know if shocks have a shelf life?
> My dad bought 2 complete sets of shocks some 8 years ago, we put one
> set and held onto the other four. Are they any good to use or do they
> loose pressure sitting on the shelf for so long?
>
> Thanks again
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:<HIvQc.17294$gE.17210@pd7tw3no>...
> > First off, on your steering issue, I would be very surprised if it were
the
> > PS pump. more like totally shocked. It is most probably a broken cord
or
> > belt in one of your front tires. You may not be able to see it, but
could
> > certainly still feel it. First thing I would do is put the rear tires
to
> > the front and see if that makes a difference. Better yet would be to
put
> > tires of a known good quality on the front, as your rear ones may be as
old
> > and problematic as the front but you can't feel it because there's no
> > steering wheel attached to them. Borrowing a pair off the front of a
> > buddy's jeep that does not display the problem would be best.
> > There really isn't a good way to replace the rockers without
encountering
> > the problems you describe. There are weld thru primers, but they only
> > really work on spot welded panels and while you could spotweld the
bottom
> > seam in place there would be no avoiding a butt or lap weld at the top
and
> > sides. More importantly is that you seal the welds and any holes
properly
> > and then use recommended paint procedures and products. A good epoxy
primer
> > over a surface treated with Picklex 20 makes a good start. From there
make
> > sure you cover it with good quality Urathane basecoat/clearcoat. Know
too
> > that most primers are not waterproof. They need to be sealed. We've
all
> > seen spots where someone has sanded to bare metal than shot rattle can
> > primer on it and seen the rust that develops right through the primer.
> > Once you've done all of that, keep an eye on them. Most rustouts
start
> > with a small chip in the paint or the seam sealer failing and grow from
> > there. Catch those chips or flaking seam sealer early and you could
make it
> > last indefinately.
> > Steve G.
08-06-2004, 09:51 AM
#34
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Re: Opinions on fixing up a 1989 Cherokee Laredo 4x4
Thanks Steve, I will take a look today and see if I can find
something. I have never had a tire cord separate on me so I don't
know what it feels like. Maybe I do now. I will take a look at both
front tires and if I don't see anything I will move the front to the
back one at a time so I can find the one that has gone bad.
What would the symptoms of a bent rim be, I am just serious because I
remember one night in the early spring I was driving at night and
smashed a huge pothole at about 70mph. Could something like that bend
the wheel or cause a cord to separate, or is a cord separating a
manufacturer defect.
I guess in the long run I would much rather it be a tire then the
power steering pump. A much cleaner and less stressful job of fixing.
Thanks again
Paul
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message news:<YsCQc.19286$M95.5881@pd7tw1no>...
> First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance, it's
> an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they behave,
> can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as you
> idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to the
> bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at all.
> Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the wheel
> would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
> droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
> you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
> Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump around,
> not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the rotation
> of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to each
> revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle up
> and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll bet
> you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
>
> Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all shocks
> are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not leaking
> oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
> extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas charge,
> but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
> Steve G.
> "Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
something. I have never had a tire cord separate on me so I don't
know what it feels like. Maybe I do now. I will take a look at both
front tires and if I don't see anything I will move the front to the
back one at a time so I can find the one that has gone bad.
What would the symptoms of a bent rim be, I am just serious because I
remember one night in the early spring I was driving at night and
smashed a huge pothole at about 70mph. Could something like that bend
the wheel or cause a cord to separate, or is a cord separating a
manufacturer defect.
I guess in the long run I would much rather it be a tire then the
power steering pump. A much cleaner and less stressful job of fixing.
Thanks again
Paul
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message news:<YsCQc.19286$M95.5881@pd7tw1no>...
> First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance, it's
> an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they behave,
> can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as you
> idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to the
> bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at all.
> Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the wheel
> would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
> droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
> you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
> Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump around,
> not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the rotation
> of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to each
> revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle up
> and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll bet
> you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
>
> Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all shocks
> are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not leaking
> oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
> extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas charge,
> but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
> Steve G.
> "Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
08-06-2004, 09:51 AM
#35
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Re: Opinions on fixing up a 1989 Cherokee Laredo 4x4
Thanks Steve, I will take a look today and see if I can find
something. I have never had a tire cord separate on me so I don't
know what it feels like. Maybe I do now. I will take a look at both
front tires and if I don't see anything I will move the front to the
back one at a time so I can find the one that has gone bad.
What would the symptoms of a bent rim be, I am just serious because I
remember one night in the early spring I was driving at night and
smashed a huge pothole at about 70mph. Could something like that bend
the wheel or cause a cord to separate, or is a cord separating a
manufacturer defect.
I guess in the long run I would much rather it be a tire then the
power steering pump. A much cleaner and less stressful job of fixing.
Thanks again
Paul
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message news:<YsCQc.19286$M95.5881@pd7tw1no>...
> First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance, it's
> an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they behave,
> can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as you
> idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to the
> bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at all.
> Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the wheel
> would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
> droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
> you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
> Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump around,
> not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the rotation
> of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to each
> revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle up
> and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll bet
> you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
>
> Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all shocks
> are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not leaking
> oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
> extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas charge,
> but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
> Steve G.
> "Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
something. I have never had a tire cord separate on me so I don't
know what it feels like. Maybe I do now. I will take a look at both
front tires and if I don't see anything I will move the front to the
back one at a time so I can find the one that has gone bad.
What would the symptoms of a bent rim be, I am just serious because I
remember one night in the early spring I was driving at night and
smashed a huge pothole at about 70mph. Could something like that bend
the wheel or cause a cord to separate, or is a cord separating a
manufacturer defect.
I guess in the long run I would much rather it be a tire then the
power steering pump. A much cleaner and less stressful job of fixing.
Thanks again
Paul
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message news:<YsCQc.19286$M95.5881@pd7tw1no>...
> First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance, it's
> an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they behave,
> can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as you
> idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to the
> bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at all.
> Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the wheel
> would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
> droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
> you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
> Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump around,
> not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the rotation
> of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to each
> revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle up
> and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll bet
> you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
>
> Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all shocks
> are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not leaking
> oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
> extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas charge,
> but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
> Steve G.
> "Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
08-06-2004, 09:51 AM
#36
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Re: Opinions on fixing up a 1989 Cherokee Laredo 4x4
Thanks Steve, I will take a look today and see if I can find
something. I have never had a tire cord separate on me so I don't
know what it feels like. Maybe I do now. I will take a look at both
front tires and if I don't see anything I will move the front to the
back one at a time so I can find the one that has gone bad.
What would the symptoms of a bent rim be, I am just serious because I
remember one night in the early spring I was driving at night and
smashed a huge pothole at about 70mph. Could something like that bend
the wheel or cause a cord to separate, or is a cord separating a
manufacturer defect.
I guess in the long run I would much rather it be a tire then the
power steering pump. A much cleaner and less stressful job of fixing.
Thanks again
Paul
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message news:<YsCQc.19286$M95.5881@pd7tw1no>...
> First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance, it's
> an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they behave,
> can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as you
> idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to the
> bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at all.
> Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the wheel
> would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
> droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
> you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
> Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump around,
> not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the rotation
> of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to each
> revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle up
> and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll bet
> you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
>
> Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all shocks
> are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not leaking
> oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
> extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas charge,
> but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
> Steve G.
> "Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
something. I have never had a tire cord separate on me so I don't
know what it feels like. Maybe I do now. I will take a look at both
front tires and if I don't see anything I will move the front to the
back one at a time so I can find the one that has gone bad.
What would the symptoms of a bent rim be, I am just serious because I
remember one night in the early spring I was driving at night and
smashed a huge pothole at about 70mph. Could something like that bend
the wheel or cause a cord to separate, or is a cord separating a
manufacturer defect.
I guess in the long run I would much rather it be a tire then the
power steering pump. A much cleaner and less stressful job of fixing.
Thanks again
Paul
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message news:<YsCQc.19286$M95.5881@pd7tw1no>...
> First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance, it's
> an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they behave,
> can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as you
> idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to the
> bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at all.
> Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the wheel
> would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
> droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
> you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
> Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump around,
> not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the rotation
> of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to each
> revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle up
> and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll bet
> you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
>
> Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all shocks
> are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not leaking
> oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
> extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas charge,
> but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
> Steve G.
> "Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
08-06-2004, 09:51 AM
#37
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Re: Opinions on fixing up a 1989 Cherokee Laredo 4x4
Thanks Steve, I will take a look today and see if I can find
something. I have never had a tire cord separate on me so I don't
know what it feels like. Maybe I do now. I will take a look at both
front tires and if I don't see anything I will move the front to the
back one at a time so I can find the one that has gone bad.
What would the symptoms of a bent rim be, I am just serious because I
remember one night in the early spring I was driving at night and
smashed a huge pothole at about 70mph. Could something like that bend
the wheel or cause a cord to separate, or is a cord separating a
manufacturer defect.
I guess in the long run I would much rather it be a tire then the
power steering pump. A much cleaner and less stressful job of fixing.
Thanks again
Paul
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message news:<YsCQc.19286$M95.5881@pd7tw1no>...
> First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance, it's
> an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they behave,
> can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as you
> idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to the
> bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at all.
> Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the wheel
> would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
> droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
> you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
> Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump around,
> not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the rotation
> of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to each
> revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle up
> and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll bet
> you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
>
> Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all shocks
> are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not leaking
> oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
> extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas charge,
> but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
> Steve G.
> "Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
something. I have never had a tire cord separate on me so I don't
know what it feels like. Maybe I do now. I will take a look at both
front tires and if I don't see anything I will move the front to the
back one at a time so I can find the one that has gone bad.
What would the symptoms of a bent rim be, I am just serious because I
remember one night in the early spring I was driving at night and
smashed a huge pothole at about 70mph. Could something like that bend
the wheel or cause a cord to separate, or is a cord separating a
manufacturer defect.
I guess in the long run I would much rather it be a tire then the
power steering pump. A much cleaner and less stressful job of fixing.
Thanks again
Paul
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message news:<YsCQc.19286$M95.5881@pd7tw1no>...
> First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance, it's
> an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they behave,
> can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as you
> idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to the
> bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at all.
> Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the wheel
> would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
> droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
> you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
> Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump around,
> not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the rotation
> of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to each
> revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle up
> and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll bet
> you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
>
> Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all shocks
> are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not leaking
> oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
> extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas charge,
> but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
> Steve G.
> "Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
08-06-2004, 11:26 AM
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Re: Opinions on fixing up a 1989 Cherokee Laredo 4x4
A bent rim would be more visable driving alongside the vehicle. The pothole
may have been the catalyst that caused the cord to separate, but the tire
would have been weak for that to happen. Keep us posted.
Steve G.
"Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:319414c5.0408060551.427abf7e@posting.google.c om...
> Thanks Steve, I will take a look today and see if I can find
> something. I have never had a tire cord separate on me so I don't
> know what it feels like. Maybe I do now. I will take a look at both
> front tires and if I don't see anything I will move the front to the
> back one at a time so I can find the one that has gone bad.
>
> What would the symptoms of a bent rim be, I am just serious because I
> remember one night in the early spring I was driving at night and
> smashed a huge pothole at about 70mph. Could something like that bend
> the wheel or cause a cord to separate, or is a cord separating a
> manufacturer defect.
>
> I guess in the long run I would much rather it be a tire then the
> power steering pump. A much cleaner and less stressful job of fixing.
>
> Thanks again
> Paul
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:<YsCQc.19286$M95.5881@pd7tw1no>...
> > First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance,
it's
> > an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they
behave,
> > can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as
you
> > idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to
the
> > bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at
all.
> > Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the
wheel
> > would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
> > droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
> > you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
> > Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump
around,
> > not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the
rotation
> > of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to
each
> > revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle
up
> > and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll
bet
> > you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
> >
> > Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all
shocks
> > are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not
leaking
> > oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
> > extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas
charge,
> > but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
> > Steve G.
> > "Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
> > news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
may have been the catalyst that caused the cord to separate, but the tire
would have been weak for that to happen. Keep us posted.
Steve G.
"Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:319414c5.0408060551.427abf7e@posting.google.c om...
> Thanks Steve, I will take a look today and see if I can find
> something. I have never had a tire cord separate on me so I don't
> know what it feels like. Maybe I do now. I will take a look at both
> front tires and if I don't see anything I will move the front to the
> back one at a time so I can find the one that has gone bad.
>
> What would the symptoms of a bent rim be, I am just serious because I
> remember one night in the early spring I was driving at night and
> smashed a huge pothole at about 70mph. Could something like that bend
> the wheel or cause a cord to separate, or is a cord separating a
> manufacturer defect.
>
> I guess in the long run I would much rather it be a tire then the
> power steering pump. A much cleaner and less stressful job of fixing.
>
> Thanks again
> Paul
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:<YsCQc.19286$M95.5881@pd7tw1no>...
> > First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance,
it's
> > an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they
behave,
> > can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as
you
> > idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to
the
> > bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at
all.
> > Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the
wheel
> > would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
> > droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
> > you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
> > Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump
around,
> > not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the
rotation
> > of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to
each
> > revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle
up
> > and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll
bet
> > you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
> >
> > Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all
shocks
> > are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not
leaking
> > oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
> > extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas
charge,
> > but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
> > Steve G.
> > "Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
> > news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
08-06-2004, 11:26 AM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Opinions on fixing up a 1989 Cherokee Laredo 4x4
A bent rim would be more visable driving alongside the vehicle. The pothole
may have been the catalyst that caused the cord to separate, but the tire
would have been weak for that to happen. Keep us posted.
Steve G.
"Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:319414c5.0408060551.427abf7e@posting.google.c om...
> Thanks Steve, I will take a look today and see if I can find
> something. I have never had a tire cord separate on me so I don't
> know what it feels like. Maybe I do now. I will take a look at both
> front tires and if I don't see anything I will move the front to the
> back one at a time so I can find the one that has gone bad.
>
> What would the symptoms of a bent rim be, I am just serious because I
> remember one night in the early spring I was driving at night and
> smashed a huge pothole at about 70mph. Could something like that bend
> the wheel or cause a cord to separate, or is a cord separating a
> manufacturer defect.
>
> I guess in the long run I would much rather it be a tire then the
> power steering pump. A much cleaner and less stressful job of fixing.
>
> Thanks again
> Paul
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:<YsCQc.19286$M95.5881@pd7tw1no>...
> > First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance,
it's
> > an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they
behave,
> > can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as
you
> > idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to
the
> > bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at
all.
> > Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the
wheel
> > would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
> > droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
> > you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
> > Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump
around,
> > not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the
rotation
> > of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to
each
> > revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle
up
> > and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll
bet
> > you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
> >
> > Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all
shocks
> > are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not
leaking
> > oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
> > extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas
charge,
> > but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
> > Steve G.
> > "Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
> > news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
may have been the catalyst that caused the cord to separate, but the tire
would have been weak for that to happen. Keep us posted.
Steve G.
"Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:319414c5.0408060551.427abf7e@posting.google.c om...
> Thanks Steve, I will take a look today and see if I can find
> something. I have never had a tire cord separate on me so I don't
> know what it feels like. Maybe I do now. I will take a look at both
> front tires and if I don't see anything I will move the front to the
> back one at a time so I can find the one that has gone bad.
>
> What would the symptoms of a bent rim be, I am just serious because I
> remember one night in the early spring I was driving at night and
> smashed a huge pothole at about 70mph. Could something like that bend
> the wheel or cause a cord to separate, or is a cord separating a
> manufacturer defect.
>
> I guess in the long run I would much rather it be a tire then the
> power steering pump. A much cleaner and less stressful job of fixing.
>
> Thanks again
> Paul
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:<YsCQc.19286$M95.5881@pd7tw1no>...
> > First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance,
it's
> > an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they
behave,
> > can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as
you
> > idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to
the
> > bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at
all.
> > Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the
wheel
> > would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
> > droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
> > you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
> > Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump
around,
> > not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the
rotation
> > of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to
each
> > revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle
up
> > and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll
bet
> > you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
> >
> > Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all
shocks
> > are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not
leaking
> > oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
> > extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas
charge,
> > but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
> > Steve G.
> > "Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
> > news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
08-06-2004, 11:26 AM
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Re: Opinions on fixing up a 1989 Cherokee Laredo 4x4
A bent rim would be more visable driving alongside the vehicle. The pothole
may have been the catalyst that caused the cord to separate, but the tire
would have been weak for that to happen. Keep us posted.
Steve G.
"Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:319414c5.0408060551.427abf7e@posting.google.c om...
> Thanks Steve, I will take a look today and see if I can find
> something. I have never had a tire cord separate on me so I don't
> know what it feels like. Maybe I do now. I will take a look at both
> front tires and if I don't see anything I will move the front to the
> back one at a time so I can find the one that has gone bad.
>
> What would the symptoms of a bent rim be, I am just serious because I
> remember one night in the early spring I was driving at night and
> smashed a huge pothole at about 70mph. Could something like that bend
> the wheel or cause a cord to separate, or is a cord separating a
> manufacturer defect.
>
> I guess in the long run I would much rather it be a tire then the
> power steering pump. A much cleaner and less stressful job of fixing.
>
> Thanks again
> Paul
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:<YsCQc.19286$M95.5881@pd7tw1no>...
> > First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance,
it's
> > an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they
behave,
> > can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as
you
> > idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to
the
> > bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at
all.
> > Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the
wheel
> > would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
> > droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
> > you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
> > Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump
around,
> > not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the
rotation
> > of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to
each
> > revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle
up
> > and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll
bet
> > you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
> >
> > Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all
shocks
> > are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not
leaking
> > oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
> > extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas
charge,
> > but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
> > Steve G.
> > "Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
> > news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...
may have been the catalyst that caused the cord to separate, but the tire
would have been weak for that to happen. Keep us posted.
Steve G.
"Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:319414c5.0408060551.427abf7e@posting.google.c om...
> Thanks Steve, I will take a look today and see if I can find
> something. I have never had a tire cord separate on me so I don't
> know what it feels like. Maybe I do now. I will take a look at both
> front tires and if I don't see anything I will move the front to the
> back one at a time so I can find the one that has gone bad.
>
> What would the symptoms of a bent rim be, I am just serious because I
> remember one night in the early spring I was driving at night and
> smashed a huge pothole at about 70mph. Could something like that bend
> the wheel or cause a cord to separate, or is a cord separating a
> manufacturer defect.
>
> I guess in the long run I would much rather it be a tire then the
> power steering pump. A much cleaner and less stressful job of fixing.
>
> Thanks again
> Paul
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:<YsCQc.19286$M95.5881@pd7tw1no>...
> > First off, on your steering issue, it's not a question of tire balance,
it's
> > an issue of cord seperation in the tire. That's exactly how they
behave,
> > can't feel it at higher speeds, but the wheel will rock in your hands as
you
> > idle along. I'd damn near guarantee that you've got a bad tire. No to
the
> > bushings and wheel bearings. Not the type of sympton they display at
all.
> > Loose wheel bearing would have to be damn near falling off before the
wheel
> > would wobble. Generally bearings get rough spots in them and you get a
> > droning noise and a fine vibration in the wheel, more like the tingling
> > you'd get if your hand fell asleep. Bushings all together diferent.
> > Erratic handling, tending to follow seams in the pavement and jump
around,
> > not a steady rythmic wobble. Think about it, if you focus on the
rotation
> > of your tire you can almost time the wobble in the steering wheel to
each
> > revolution of the tire. Do a good visual of the tire. Jack the vehicle
up
> > and have someone spin the tire by hand while you watch the tread. I'll
bet
> > you'll see a spot where the tread "wobbles" a bit.
> >
> > Shocks do have a shelf life, but I expect it's fairly long. Not all
shocks
> > are gas filled. If they are not a gas filled shock and they are not
leaking
> > oil they are probably fine. If they are a gas filled they will want to
> > extend themselve fully. If they do not they may have lost their gas
charge,
> > but may dampen spring ocilations anyways. albeit not as well.
> > Steve G.
> > "Paul" <katarn444@rcn.com> wrote in message
> > news:319414c5.0408051809.24113193@posting.google.c om...