Oil Pump HELP!!!
09-20-2003, 03:51 PM
#41
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Re: Oil Pump HELP!!!
Hi Murphy,
I don't believe the cam bearing insert could block the oil galley,
we can see it is machine well out side it's surface:
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/pict...s/front411.JPG
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kmurphy wrote:
>
> If the bearing is blocking the oil from the head is there anyway to
> check it out befor I have to teardown the front end???
I don't believe the cam bearing insert could block the oil galley,
we can see it is machine well out side it's surface:
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/pict...s/front411.JPG
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
kmurphy wrote:
>
> If the bearing is blocking the oil from the head is there anyway to
> check it out befor I have to teardown the front end???
09-20-2003, 03:58 PM
#42
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Re: Oil Pump HELP!!!
>L.W. (ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> Yup, drink all you want, but leave a pail of water for the next
>> guy.
whonea wrote:
> I wonder just how many in the group really understand the reference to
> priming the pump you make? I thought only us old farm boys remembered
> that one.
/me raises hand.
Grandma had one in the kitchen but that was when I was just a sprout.
But all it took was a couple of glasses. Shoulda kept it when the house
was sold, could use it on a cistern.
--
DougW
>> Yup, drink all you want, but leave a pail of water for the next
>> guy.
whonea wrote:
> I wonder just how many in the group really understand the reference to
> priming the pump you make? I thought only us old farm boys remembered
> that one.
/me raises hand.
Grandma had one in the kitchen but that was when I was just a sprout.
But all it took was a couple of glasses. Shoulda kept it when the house
was sold, could use it on a cistern.
--
DougW
09-20-2003, 03:58 PM
#43
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Re: Oil Pump HELP!!!
>L.W. (ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> Yup, drink all you want, but leave a pail of water for the next
>> guy.
whonea wrote:
> I wonder just how many in the group really understand the reference to
> priming the pump you make? I thought only us old farm boys remembered
> that one.
/me raises hand.
Grandma had one in the kitchen but that was when I was just a sprout.
But all it took was a couple of glasses. Shoulda kept it when the house
was sold, could use it on a cistern.
--
DougW
>> Yup, drink all you want, but leave a pail of water for the next
>> guy.
whonea wrote:
> I wonder just how many in the group really understand the reference to
> priming the pump you make? I thought only us old farm boys remembered
> that one.
/me raises hand.
Grandma had one in the kitchen but that was when I was just a sprout.
But all it took was a couple of glasses. Shoulda kept it when the house
was sold, could use it on a cistern.
--
DougW
09-20-2003, 03:59 PM
#44
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Re: Oil Pump HELP!!!
Hi Murphy,
I don't believe it oils through the rocker shaft, but up through
hollow push rods most American push rod engines do, at least I don't see
an oil hole coming through the deck:
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/imag...s/IMAGE006.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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kmurphy wrote:
>
> I've pulled the dist. hooked up the drill I can hear the oil move but
> not up to the heads.I pulled the rockerarms no oil to the tower.about
> 1993 the last owner replaced the lifters cam and bearings but only has
> 600 miles on motor today could the front bearing be in
> beckwards???maybe I should just rebuild the whole mess but the motor
> sounds good???and only has 92,600 org. miles.
I don't believe it oils through the rocker shaft, but up through
hollow push rods most American push rod engines do, at least I don't see
an oil hole coming through the deck:
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/imag...s/IMAGE006.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
kmurphy wrote:
>
> I've pulled the dist. hooked up the drill I can hear the oil move but
> not up to the heads.I pulled the rockerarms no oil to the tower.about
> 1993 the last owner replaced the lifters cam and bearings but only has
> 600 miles on motor today could the front bearing be in
> beckwards???maybe I should just rebuild the whole mess but the motor
> sounds good???and only has 92,600 org. miles.
09-20-2003, 03:59 PM
#45
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Re: Oil Pump HELP!!!
Hi Murphy,
I don't believe it oils through the rocker shaft, but up through
hollow push rods most American push rod engines do, at least I don't see
an oil hole coming through the deck:
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/imag...s/IMAGE006.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
kmurphy wrote:
>
> I've pulled the dist. hooked up the drill I can hear the oil move but
> not up to the heads.I pulled the rockerarms no oil to the tower.about
> 1993 the last owner replaced the lifters cam and bearings but only has
> 600 miles on motor today could the front bearing be in
> beckwards???maybe I should just rebuild the whole mess but the motor
> sounds good???and only has 92,600 org. miles.
I don't believe it oils through the rocker shaft, but up through
hollow push rods most American push rod engines do, at least I don't see
an oil hole coming through the deck:
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/imag...s/IMAGE006.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
kmurphy wrote:
>
> I've pulled the dist. hooked up the drill I can hear the oil move but
> not up to the heads.I pulled the rockerarms no oil to the tower.about
> 1993 the last owner replaced the lifters cam and bearings but only has
> 600 miles on motor today could the front bearing be in
> beckwards???maybe I should just rebuild the whole mess but the motor
> sounds good???and only has 92,600 org. miles.
09-20-2003, 04:01 PM
#46
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Re: Oil Pump HELP!!!
You store acid rain?
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DougW wrote:
>
> /me raises hand.
>
> Grandma had one in the kitchen but that was when I was just a sprout.
> But all it took was a couple of glasses. Shoulda kept it when the house
> was sold, could use it on a cistern.
>
> --
> DougW
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> /me raises hand.
>
> Grandma had one in the kitchen but that was when I was just a sprout.
> But all it took was a couple of glasses. Shoulda kept it when the house
> was sold, could use it on a cistern.
>
> --
> DougW
09-20-2003, 04:01 PM
#47
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Re: Oil Pump HELP!!!
You store acid rain?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> /me raises hand.
>
> Grandma had one in the kitchen but that was when I was just a sprout.
> But all it took was a couple of glasses. Shoulda kept it when the house
> was sold, could use it on a cistern.
>
> --
> DougW
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> /me raises hand.
>
> Grandma had one in the kitchen but that was when I was just a sprout.
> But all it took was a couple of glasses. Shoulda kept it when the house
> was sold, could use it on a cistern.
>
> --
> DougW
09-20-2003, 06:52 PM
#48
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Re: Oil Pump HELP!!!
Bill, it's not an insert, it is the fuel pump lobe on the cam that has a
main oil channel and needs to be in right.
I am not sure if that is what passes the oil up or where it passes it
though...
The book does say the pump must be primed.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Murphy,
> I don't believe the cam bearing insert could block the oil galley,
> we can see it is machine well out side it's surface:
> http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/pict...s/front411.JPG
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> kmurphy wrote:
> >
> > If the bearing is blocking the oil from the head is there anyway to
> > check it out befor I have to teardown the front end???
main oil channel and needs to be in right.
I am not sure if that is what passes the oil up or where it passes it
though...
The book does say the pump must be primed.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Murphy,
> I don't believe the cam bearing insert could block the oil galley,
> we can see it is machine well out side it's surface:
> http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/pict...s/front411.JPG
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> kmurphy wrote:
> >
> > If the bearing is blocking the oil from the head is there anyway to
> > check it out befor I have to teardown the front end???
09-20-2003, 06:52 PM
#49
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Re: Oil Pump HELP!!!
Bill, it's not an insert, it is the fuel pump lobe on the cam that has a
main oil channel and needs to be in right.
I am not sure if that is what passes the oil up or where it passes it
though...
The book does say the pump must be primed.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Murphy,
> I don't believe the cam bearing insert could block the oil galley,
> we can see it is machine well out side it's surface:
> http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/pict...s/front411.JPG
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> kmurphy wrote:
> >
> > If the bearing is blocking the oil from the head is there anyway to
> > check it out befor I have to teardown the front end???
main oil channel and needs to be in right.
I am not sure if that is what passes the oil up or where it passes it
though...
The book does say the pump must be primed.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Murphy,
> I don't believe the cam bearing insert could block the oil galley,
> we can see it is machine well out side it's surface:
> http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/pict...s/front411.JPG
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> kmurphy wrote:
> >
> > If the bearing is blocking the oil from the head is there anyway to
> > check it out befor I have to teardown the front end???
09-20-2003, 08:48 PM
#50
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Re: Oil Pump HELP!!!
Your 225 engine is basically a 3.8L Buick v-6. I had one in a 71 Cj5.
Excellant little power-house. My advise is to replace the timing cover
and oil pump as an assembly-the aluminum in the housing wears and it may
not be visble to the untrained eye. Prime the oil pump-either go with
the rebuild kit or my sugesstion of a timing cover assembly, but pack
the gears heavily with petroleum jelly (Vaseline). Oil enters the
rocker shaft assembly in the support stand for the rocker shaft, not
through a bolt, but rather around it. If you have the valve covers off,
you should remove the shaft assemblies and get them hot-tanked. Oh yea,
you did do a manual oil pressure test before all this work? The Buick
3.8L engine was produced from the 225 casting dies...the weakest link in
all the Buick 3.8L engines was the oiling system ( i'm speaking of the
odd-fire early production Buick v-6's).
ps: if you can find one, the early to mid seventies odd-fire Buick 3.8L
engines had a Delco HEI ignition setup that will work on your 225. greg
Excellant little power-house. My advise is to replace the timing cover
and oil pump as an assembly-the aluminum in the housing wears and it may
not be visble to the untrained eye. Prime the oil pump-either go with
the rebuild kit or my sugesstion of a timing cover assembly, but pack
the gears heavily with petroleum jelly (Vaseline). Oil enters the
rocker shaft assembly in the support stand for the rocker shaft, not
through a bolt, but rather around it. If you have the valve covers off,
you should remove the shaft assemblies and get them hot-tanked. Oh yea,
you did do a manual oil pressure test before all this work? The Buick
3.8L engine was produced from the 225 casting dies...the weakest link in
all the Buick 3.8L engines was the oiling system ( i'm speaking of the
odd-fire early production Buick v-6's).
ps: if you can find one, the early to mid seventies odd-fire Buick 3.8L
engines had a Delco HEI ignition setup that will work on your 225. greg