What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> or
> accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> yielded
> to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
>
> In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the wolf
> at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> years
> ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
>> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization is
>> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
>> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
>> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
>> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
>>
>> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat and
>> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> powerhouse
>> that it was under Julius Caesar.
>
>

 

Was that study paid for with a government grant?


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:F0JLe.88764$G8.6715@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> That's an outrageous claim, Bill, and one you should be ashamed of !
> btw, Bees like flowers - it's official.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4150200.stm
>
> :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42FEAC06.30949E05@***.net...
>> As a professor your job depends on tax payer's money, and your
>> ability to bullsh*t needs for government grants.
>
>

 

Was that study paid for with a government grant?


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:F0JLe.88764$G8.6715@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> That's an outrageous claim, Bill, and one you should be ashamed of !
> btw, Bees like flowers - it's official.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4150200.stm
>
> :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42FEAC06.30949E05@***.net...
>> As a professor your job depends on tax payer's money, and your
>> ability to bullsh*t needs for government grants.
>
>

 

Was that study paid for with a government grant?


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:F0JLe.88764$G8.6715@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> That's an outrageous claim, Bill, and one you should be ashamed of !
> btw, Bees like flowers - it's official.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4150200.stm
>
> :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42FEAC06.30949E05@***.net...
>> As a professor your job depends on tax payer's money, and your
>> ability to bullsh*t needs for government grants.
>
>

 

Was that study paid for with a government grant?


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:F0JLe.88764$G8.6715@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> That's an outrageous claim, Bill, and one you should be ashamed of !
> btw, Bees like flowers - it's official.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4150200.stm
>
> :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42FEAC06.30949E05@***.net...
>> As a professor your job depends on tax payer's money, and your
>> ability to bullsh*t needs for government grants.
>
>

 

So...W's invasion was just a delayed reaction to the first Gulf War?

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:44bb8$42ff619e$42a1cc8c$24368@FUSE.NET...
>I realize my advancing age sometimes clouds my memory..... but just who
>instigated the First Gulf War?
>
> Didn't a coalition including most of the middle eastern neighboring
> countries fight against a despotic dictator who threatened the entire
> region and had already proven the ability and willingness to use chemical
> weapons as well as other WMDs?
>
> Didn't this same despot terrorize another middle eastern country, who was
> not in the coalition or threaten it in any way, and then attack it with
> missiles he claimed might be carrying WMDs killing innocent men, women,
> and children?
>
>
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8radnXjSzfB7q2LfRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
>> The Greatest Generation recognized that Germany and Japan actually *were*
>> taking over the world. Hussien just talked about it, never actually
>> tried, the Iran war notwithstanding.
>>
>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:42FE88C8.8DBD8C42@***.net...
>>> I'm glad the Greatest Generation, didn't think that way about
>>> Germany and Japan.
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>> larry wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A bleeding heart liberal...well, well. Lets see what the conservatives
>>>> have done since they have been in power.
>>>>
>>>> We are in a war with no planned way of winning it. We have frightened
>>>> the daylights out of Iraq's neighbor, Iran, so that they now feel
>>>> compelled to build nuclear weapons and have the capability of
>>>> delivering them just about anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> North Korea is a wild card, who knows what is next from them.
>>>>
>>>> After all they a part of Bush's "axis of evil." (Like calling someone
>>>> you don't like a name is going to make them improve.)
>>>>
>>>> We just had a major world power, China, threaten to nuke us.
>>>>
>>>> Our southern and northern borders are wide open to just about anyone.
>>>>
>>>> How many jobs now have been outsourced?
>>>>
>>>> Large international oil companies pretty doing what they please.
>>>> (Please don't let the government interfere with them.)
>>>>
>>>> I just don't much more of this good the country can take....
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about the rest of you all, but for my money, I would much
>>>> rather see Bill and Monica together again. (Bill Clinton that is!)
>>>>
>>>> So bleeding heart liberals commit adultery, and conservatives thinks
>>>> they can kick anyone's butt.
>>>>
>>>> I am sure that I left something out here, but you all can fill in the
>>>> blanks.
>>>>
>>>> And, now, this takes all, Bill ------ is talking physical and organic
>>>> chemistry like he knows what he is talking about! Personally when I
>>>> see a tree, I don't see carbon. I see a great life form that I want
>>>> to hug. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> Folks we don't have a chance if this is the best our civilization can
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>
>>
>
>

 

So...W's invasion was just a delayed reaction to the first Gulf War?

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:44bb8$42ff619e$42a1cc8c$24368@FUSE.NET...
>I realize my advancing age sometimes clouds my memory..... but just who
>instigated the First Gulf War?
>
> Didn't a coalition including most of the middle eastern neighboring
> countries fight against a despotic dictator who threatened the entire
> region and had already proven the ability and willingness to use chemical
> weapons as well as other WMDs?
>
> Didn't this same despot terrorize another middle eastern country, who was
> not in the coalition or threaten it in any way, and then attack it with
> missiles he claimed might be carrying WMDs killing innocent men, women,
> and children?
>
>
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8radnXjSzfB7q2LfRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
>> The Greatest Generation recognized that Germany and Japan actually *were*
>> taking over the world. Hussien just talked about it, never actually
>> tried, the Iran war notwithstanding.
>>
>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:42FE88C8.8DBD8C42@***.net...
>>> I'm glad the Greatest Generation, didn't think that way about
>>> Germany and Japan.
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>> larry wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A bleeding heart liberal...well, well. Lets see what the conservatives
>>>> have done since they have been in power.
>>>>
>>>> We are in a war with no planned way of winning it. We have frightened
>>>> the daylights out of Iraq's neighbor, Iran, so that they now feel
>>>> compelled to build nuclear weapons and have the capability of
>>>> delivering them just about anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> North Korea is a wild card, who knows what is next from them.
>>>>
>>>> After all they a part of Bush's "axis of evil." (Like calling someone
>>>> you don't like a name is going to make them improve.)
>>>>
>>>> We just had a major world power, China, threaten to nuke us.
>>>>
>>>> Our southern and northern borders are wide open to just about anyone.
>>>>
>>>> How many jobs now have been outsourced?
>>>>
>>>> Large international oil companies pretty doing what they please.
>>>> (Please don't let the government interfere with them.)
>>>>
>>>> I just don't much more of this good the country can take....
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about the rest of you all, but for my money, I would much
>>>> rather see Bill and Monica together again. (Bill Clinton that is!)
>>>>
>>>> So bleeding heart liberals commit adultery, and conservatives thinks
>>>> they can kick anyone's butt.
>>>>
>>>> I am sure that I left something out here, but you all can fill in the
>>>> blanks.
>>>>
>>>> And, now, this takes all, Bill ------ is talking physical and organic
>>>> chemistry like he knows what he is talking about! Personally when I
>>>> see a tree, I don't see carbon. I see a great life form that I want
>>>> to hug. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> Folks we don't have a chance if this is the best our civilization can
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>
>>
>
>

 

So...W's invasion was just a delayed reaction to the first Gulf War?

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:44bb8$42ff619e$42a1cc8c$24368@FUSE.NET...
>I realize my advancing age sometimes clouds my memory..... but just who
>instigated the First Gulf War?
>
> Didn't a coalition including most of the middle eastern neighboring
> countries fight against a despotic dictator who threatened the entire
> region and had already proven the ability and willingness to use chemical
> weapons as well as other WMDs?
>
> Didn't this same despot terrorize another middle eastern country, who was
> not in the coalition or threaten it in any way, and then attack it with
> missiles he claimed might be carrying WMDs killing innocent men, women,
> and children?
>
>
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8radnXjSzfB7q2LfRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
>> The Greatest Generation recognized that Germany and Japan actually *were*
>> taking over the world. Hussien just talked about it, never actually
>> tried, the Iran war notwithstanding.
>>
>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:42FE88C8.8DBD8C42@***.net...
>>> I'm glad the Greatest Generation, didn't think that way about
>>> Germany and Japan.
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>> larry wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A bleeding heart liberal...well, well. Lets see what the conservatives
>>>> have done since they have been in power.
>>>>
>>>> We are in a war with no planned way of winning it. We have frightened
>>>> the daylights out of Iraq's neighbor, Iran, so that they now feel
>>>> compelled to build nuclear weapons and have the capability of
>>>> delivering them just about anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> North Korea is a wild card, who knows what is next from them.
>>>>
>>>> After all they a part of Bush's "axis of evil." (Like calling someone
>>>> you don't like a name is going to make them improve.)
>>>>
>>>> We just had a major world power, China, threaten to nuke us.
>>>>
>>>> Our southern and northern borders are wide open to just about anyone.
>>>>
>>>> How many jobs now have been outsourced?
>>>>
>>>> Large international oil companies pretty doing what they please.
>>>> (Please don't let the government interfere with them.)
>>>>
>>>> I just don't much more of this good the country can take....
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about the rest of you all, but for my money, I would much
>>>> rather see Bill and Monica together again. (Bill Clinton that is!)
>>>>
>>>> So bleeding heart liberals commit adultery, and conservatives thinks
>>>> they can kick anyone's butt.
>>>>
>>>> I am sure that I left something out here, but you all can fill in the
>>>> blanks.
>>>>
>>>> And, now, this takes all, Bill ------ is talking physical and organic
>>>> chemistry like he knows what he is talking about! Personally when I
>>>> see a tree, I don't see carbon. I see a great life form that I want
>>>> to hug. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> Folks we don't have a chance if this is the best our civilization can
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>
>>
>
>

 

So...W's invasion was just a delayed reaction to the first Gulf War?

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:44bb8$42ff619e$42a1cc8c$24368@FUSE.NET...
>I realize my advancing age sometimes clouds my memory..... but just who
>instigated the First Gulf War?
>
> Didn't a coalition including most of the middle eastern neighboring
> countries fight against a despotic dictator who threatened the entire
> region and had already proven the ability and willingness to use chemical
> weapons as well as other WMDs?
>
> Didn't this same despot terrorize another middle eastern country, who was
> not in the coalition or threaten it in any way, and then attack it with
> missiles he claimed might be carrying WMDs killing innocent men, women,
> and children?
>
>
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8radnXjSzfB7q2LfRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
>> The Greatest Generation recognized that Germany and Japan actually *were*
>> taking over the world. Hussien just talked about it, never actually
>> tried, the Iran war notwithstanding.
>>
>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:42FE88C8.8DBD8C42@***.net...
>>> I'm glad the Greatest Generation, didn't think that way about
>>> Germany and Japan.
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>> larry wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A bleeding heart liberal...well, well. Lets see what the conservatives
>>>> have done since they have been in power.
>>>>
>>>> We are in a war with no planned way of winning it. We have frightened
>>>> the daylights out of Iraq's neighbor, Iran, so that they now feel
>>>> compelled to build nuclear weapons and have the capability of
>>>> delivering them just about anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> North Korea is a wild card, who knows what is next from them.
>>>>
>>>> After all they a part of Bush's "axis of evil." (Like calling someone
>>>> you don't like a name is going to make them improve.)
>>>>
>>>> We just had a major world power, China, threaten to nuke us.
>>>>
>>>> Our southern and northern borders are wide open to just about anyone.
>>>>
>>>> How many jobs now have been outsourced?
>>>>
>>>> Large international oil companies pretty doing what they please.
>>>> (Please don't let the government interfere with them.)
>>>>
>>>> I just don't much more of this good the country can take....
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about the rest of you all, but for my money, I would much
>>>> rather see Bill and Monica together again. (Bill Clinton that is!)
>>>>
>>>> So bleeding heart liberals commit adultery, and conservatives thinks
>>>> they can kick anyone's butt.
>>>>
>>>> I am sure that I left something out here, but you all can fill in the
>>>> blanks.
>>>>
>>>> And, now, this takes all, Bill ------ is talking physical and organic
>>>> chemistry like he knows what he is talking about! Personally when I
>>>> see a tree, I don't see carbon. I see a great life form that I want
>>>> to hug. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> Folks we don't have a chance if this is the best our civilization can
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>
>>
>
>

 

Or the theory, that they since they never figured out reinforced concrete,
they couldn't build multiple story office and government buildings like we
have, and thus they failed from insufficiency of bureaucracy, the real
brains of any civilization. Our bureaucracy, housed in gigantic
skyscrapers, should be enough to keep us going for millennia. Never forget
the first rule of government--save your job.

People forget, that the 911 skyjackers did not target New York City or the
World Trade Center, so much as the bureaucrats housed within.

Earle

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>