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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little

They still don't meet Kalifornia's clean air standards:
http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld.php Even with the exhaust filters
required on all new diesels:
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>
> Mike

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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little

California required ULSD on September 1, 2006.

"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:45ef50ad$0$16387$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> They still don't meet Kalifornia's clean air standards:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld.php Even with the exhaust filters
> required on all new diesels:
> http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
>> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
>> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
>> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
>> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
>> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>>
>> Mike
>
>
>
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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little

"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
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> We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
> is.

15ppm, down from 500ppm. Diesel in Europe is 50ppm and they're debating
dropping to 10ppm, what they call "sulphur-free."

> I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
> difference
> between that and a gasoline car.

Well, yeah, different fuel, different exhaust smell. You can smell the
difference between beef farts and bean farts, too.

I don't know what it would be like with a
> whole city full of them.

Bean or beef? I'd prefer bean...less lingering power.

They don't even have that in Europe. One night in
> the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
> was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
> the
> ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
> minutes. "There, that's better", he said.

When I visited Great Britain I was amazed how many diesel passenger cars
there were. My friends in Germany have a diesel Mercedes crossover that will
regulary do 140mph on the 'Bahn. We're visting next month and I am
anticipating the ride!

>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
>> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
>> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
>> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
>> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
>> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Spdloader wrote:
>> > I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
> latest
>> > '87 CJ project.
>> > I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
> wheel in
>> > large groups like that anyway.
>> >
>> > Spdloader
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> >> I'll bite for the Troll.
>> >>
>> >> Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
> eh?
>> >>
>> >> There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
> Despite
>> >> your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
> are
>> >> smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are
>> >> still
>> >> smarter than you Bret...
>> >>
>> >> And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>> >> forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out
>> >> the
>> >> 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
>> >>
>> >> Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
> welcome
>> >> addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
> end
>> >> like I mentioned.
>> >>
>> >> Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
> in
>> >> an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
>> >>
>> >> And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
> by
>> >> not just me.
>> >>
>> >> Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>> >> supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still
>> >> get
>> >> sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >>
>> >> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>> >>> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>> >>> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is,
>> >>> "What
>> >>> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>> >>>
>> >>> *
>> >>>
>> >>> common across the nation
>> >>> *
>> >>>
>> >>> the right size
>> >>> *
>> >>>
>> >>> the right weight
>> >>> *
>> >>>
>> >>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle
>> >>> such
>> >>> as a Jeep
>> >>> *
>> >>>
>> >>> affordable to buy
>> >>> *
>> >>>
>> >>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>> >>> requirements"
>> >>>
>> >>> Let's see:
>> >>>
>> >>> Isuzu-several
>> >>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>> >>> Mercedes-OM617
>> >>> Mitsubishi-several
>> >>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>> >>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
>> >>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>> >>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>> >>> Volvo-same as Cummins
>> >>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>> >>> Iveco-possible
>> >>>
>> >>> How many do you need?
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>
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