Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
 

I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)

Mike

Spdloader wrote:
> I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my latest
> '87 CJ project.
> I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't wheel in
> large groups like that anyway.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> I'll bite for the Troll.
>>
>> Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep, eh?
>>
>> There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters. Despite
>> your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously are
>> smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still
>> smarter than you Bret...
>>
>> And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>> forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the
>> 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
>>
>> Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a welcome
>> addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the end
>> like I mentioned.
>>
>> Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic in
>> an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
>>
>> And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll by
>> not just me.
>>
>> Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>> supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get
>> sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
>>> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> common across the nation
>>> *
>>>
>>> the right size
>>> *
>>>
>>> the right weight
>>> *
>>>
>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
>>> as a Jeep
>>> *
>>>
>>> affordable to buy
>>> *
>>>
>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>> requirements"
>>>
>>> Let's see:
>>>
>>> Isuzu-several
>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>> Mercedes-OM617
>>> Mitsubishi-several
>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>> Iveco-possible
>>>
>>> How many do you need?
>>>
>
>

Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
 

We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it is.
I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the difference
between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with a
whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night in
the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call the
ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
minutes. "There, that's better", he said.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
> > I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
latest
> > '87 CJ project.
> > I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
wheel in
> > large groups like that anyway.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >> I'll bite for the Troll.
> >>
> >> Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
eh?
> >>
> >> There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
Despite
> >> your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
are
> >> smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still
> >> smarter than you Bret...
> >>
> >> And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
> >> forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the
> >> 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
> >>
> >> Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
welcome
> >> addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
end
> >> like I mentioned.
> >>
> >> Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
in
> >> an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
> >>
> >> And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
by
> >> not just me.
> >>
> >> Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
> >> supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get
> >> sent to the back of the line because of stench.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>
> >> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >>> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
> >>> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
> >>> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> common across the nation
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> the right size
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> the right weight
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
> >>> as a Jeep
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> affordable to buy
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
> >>> requirements"
> >>>
> >>> Let's see:
> >>>
> >>> Isuzu-several
> >>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
> >>> Mercedes-OM617
> >>> Mitsubishi-several
> >>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
> >>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
> >>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
> >>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
> >>> Volvo-same as Cummins
> >>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
> >>> Iveco-possible
> >>>
> >>> How many do you need?
> >>>
> >
> >

Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
 

We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it is.
I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the difference
between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with a
whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night in
the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call the
ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
minutes. "There, that's better", he said.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
> > I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
latest
> > '87 CJ project.
> > I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
wheel in
> > large groups like that anyway.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >> I'll bite for the Troll.
> >>
> >> Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
eh?
> >>
> >> There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
Despite
> >> your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
are
> >> smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still
> >> smarter than you Bret...
> >>
> >> And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
> >> forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the
> >> 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
> >>
> >> Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
welcome
> >> addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
end
> >> like I mentioned.
> >>
> >> Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
in
> >> an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
> >>
> >> And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
by
> >> not just me.
> >>
> >> Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
> >> supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get
> >> sent to the back of the line because of stench.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>
> >> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >>> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
> >>> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
> >>> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> common across the nation
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> the right size
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> the right weight
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
> >>> as a Jeep
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> affordable to buy
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
> >>> requirements"
> >>>
> >>> Let's see:
> >>>
> >>> Isuzu-several
> >>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
> >>> Mercedes-OM617
> >>> Mitsubishi-several
> >>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
> >>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
> >>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
> >>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
> >>> Volvo-same as Cummins
> >>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
> >>> Iveco-possible
> >>>
> >>> How many do you need?
> >>>
> >
> >

Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
 

We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it is.
I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the difference
between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with a
whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night in
the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call the
ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
minutes. "There, that's better", he said.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
> > I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
latest
> > '87 CJ project.
> > I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
wheel in
> > large groups like that anyway.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >> I'll bite for the Troll.
> >>
> >> Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
eh?
> >>
> >> There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
Despite
> >> your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
are
> >> smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still
> >> smarter than you Bret...
> >>
> >> And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
> >> forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the
> >> 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
> >>
> >> Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
welcome
> >> addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
end
> >> like I mentioned.
> >>
> >> Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
in
> >> an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
> >>
> >> And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
by
> >> not just me.
> >>
> >> Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
> >> supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get
> >> sent to the back of the line because of stench.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>
> >> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >>> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
> >>> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
> >>> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> common across the nation
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> the right size
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> the right weight
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
> >>> as a Jeep
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> affordable to buy
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
> >>> requirements"
> >>>
> >>> Let's see:
> >>>
> >>> Isuzu-several
> >>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
> >>> Mercedes-OM617
> >>> Mitsubishi-several
> >>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
> >>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
> >>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
> >>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
> >>> Volvo-same as Cummins
> >>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
> >>> Iveco-possible
> >>>
> >>> How many do you need?
> >>>
> >
> >

Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
 

They still don't meet Kalifornia's clean air standards:
http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld.php Even with the exhaust filters
required on all new diesels:
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>
> Mike



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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
 

They still don't meet Kalifornia's clean air standards:
http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld.php Even with the exhaust filters
required on all new diesels:
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>
> Mike



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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
 

They still don't meet Kalifornia's clean air standards:
http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld.php Even with the exhaust filters
required on all new diesels:
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>
> Mike



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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
 

Hi Earle,
You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
mountains, now.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
is.
> I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
difference
> between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with
a
> whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night
in
> the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
> was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
the
> ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
> minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>
> Earle




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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
 

Hi Earle,
You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
mountains, now.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
is.
> I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
difference
> between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with
a
> whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night
in
> the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
> was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
the
> ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
> minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>
> Earle




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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
 

Hi Earle,
You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
mountains, now.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
is.
> I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
difference
> between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with
a
> whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night
in
> the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
> was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
the
> ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
> minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>
> Earle




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