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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
I'll bite for the Troll.
Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep, eh? There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters. Despite your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously are smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still smarter than you Bret... And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke. Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a welcome addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the end like I mentioned. Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic in an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail. And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll by not just me. Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get sent to the back of the line because of stench. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Bret Ludwig wrote: > "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no > doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What > diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are: > > * > > common across the nation > * > > the right size > * > > the right weight > * > > have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such > as a Jeep > * > > affordable to buy > * > > compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above > requirements" > > Let's see: > > Isuzu-several > Nissan-SD25, SD33T > Mercedes-OM617 > Mitsubishi-several > Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs > VW-maybe for a flatfender > Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats! > Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud > Volvo-same as Cummins > Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!! > Iveco-possible > > How many do you need? > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
I'll bite for the Troll.
Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep, eh? There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters. Despite your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously are smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still smarter than you Bret... And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke. Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a welcome addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the end like I mentioned. Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic in an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail. And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll by not just me. Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get sent to the back of the line because of stench. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Bret Ludwig wrote: > "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no > doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What > diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are: > > * > > common across the nation > * > > the right size > * > > the right weight > * > > have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such > as a Jeep > * > > affordable to buy > * > > compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above > requirements" > > Let's see: > > Isuzu-several > Nissan-SD25, SD33T > Mercedes-OM617 > Mitsubishi-several > Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs > VW-maybe for a flatfender > Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats! > Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud > Volvo-same as Cummins > Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!! > Iveco-possible > > How many do you need? > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
The oil companies already have in Europe. My dad's diesel doesn't stink, and
it certainly doesn't belch smoke. The engines you describe disappeared 20 years ago here. There are many advantages to diesels over petrols for offroading - better torque per litre (the isuzu actually puts out more bhp/litre as well than the I6), and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a lot better engine braking. Plus the ability to cope with water better. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... > I'll bite for the Troll. > Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a > welcome addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along > at the end like I mentioned. > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
The oil companies already have in Europe. My dad's diesel doesn't stink, and
it certainly doesn't belch smoke. The engines you describe disappeared 20 years ago here. There are many advantages to diesels over petrols for offroading - better torque per litre (the isuzu actually puts out more bhp/litre as well than the I6), and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a lot better engine braking. Plus the ability to cope with water better. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... > I'll bite for the Troll. > Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a > welcome addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along > at the end like I mentioned. > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
The oil companies already have in Europe. My dad's diesel doesn't stink, and
it certainly doesn't belch smoke. The engines you describe disappeared 20 years ago here. There are many advantages to diesels over petrols for offroading - better torque per litre (the isuzu actually puts out more bhp/litre as well than the I6), and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a lot better engine braking. Plus the ability to cope with water better. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... > I'll bite for the Troll. > Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a > welcome addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along > at the end like I mentioned. > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my latest
'87 CJ project. I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't wheel in large groups like that anyway. Spdloader "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... > I'll bite for the Troll. > > Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep, eh? > > There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters. Despite > your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously are > smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still > smarter than you Bret... > > And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line > forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the > 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke. > > Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a welcome > addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the end > like I mentioned. > > Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic in > an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail. > > And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll by > not just me. > > Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that > supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get > sent to the back of the line because of stench. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Bret Ludwig wrote: >> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no >> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What >> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are: >> >> * >> >> common across the nation >> * >> >> the right size >> * >> >> the right weight >> * >> >> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such >> as a Jeep >> * >> >> affordable to buy >> * >> >> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above >> requirements" >> >> Let's see: >> >> Isuzu-several >> Nissan-SD25, SD33T >> Mercedes-OM617 >> Mitsubishi-several >> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs >> VW-maybe for a flatfender >> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats! >> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud >> Volvo-same as Cummins >> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!! >> Iveco-possible >> >> How many do you need? >> |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my latest
'87 CJ project. I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't wheel in large groups like that anyway. Spdloader "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... > I'll bite for the Troll. > > Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep, eh? > > There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters. Despite > your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously are > smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still > smarter than you Bret... > > And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line > forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the > 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke. > > Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a welcome > addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the end > like I mentioned. > > Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic in > an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail. > > And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll by > not just me. > > Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that > supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get > sent to the back of the line because of stench. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Bret Ludwig wrote: >> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no >> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What >> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are: >> >> * >> >> common across the nation >> * >> >> the right size >> * >> >> the right weight >> * >> >> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such >> as a Jeep >> * >> >> affordable to buy >> * >> >> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above >> requirements" >> >> Let's see: >> >> Isuzu-several >> Nissan-SD25, SD33T >> Mercedes-OM617 >> Mitsubishi-several >> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs >> VW-maybe for a flatfender >> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats! >> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud >> Volvo-same as Cummins >> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!! >> Iveco-possible >> >> How many do you need? >> |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my latest
'87 CJ project. I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't wheel in large groups like that anyway. Spdloader "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... > I'll bite for the Troll. > > Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep, eh? > > There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters. Despite > your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously are > smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still > smarter than you Bret... > > And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line > forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the > 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke. > > Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a welcome > addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the end > like I mentioned. > > Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic in > an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail. > > And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll by > not just me. > > Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that > supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get > sent to the back of the line because of stench. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Bret Ludwig wrote: >> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no >> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What >> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are: >> >> * >> >> common across the nation >> * >> >> the right size >> * >> >> the right weight >> * >> >> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such >> as a Jeep >> * >> >> affordable to buy >> * >> >> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above >> requirements" >> >> Let's see: >> >> Isuzu-several >> Nissan-SD25, SD33T >> Mercedes-OM617 >> Mitsubishi-several >> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs >> VW-maybe for a flatfender >> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats! >> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud >> Volvo-same as Cummins >> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!! >> Iveco-possible >> >> How many do you need? >> |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep, nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the price or something like that to clean it up... ;-) Mike Spdloader wrote: > I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my latest > '87 CJ project. > I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't wheel in > large groups like that anyway. > > Spdloader > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >> I'll bite for the Troll. >> >> Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep, eh? >> >> There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters. Despite >> your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously are >> smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still >> smarter than you Bret... >> >> And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line >> forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the >> 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke. >> >> Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a welcome >> addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the end >> like I mentioned. >> >> Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic in >> an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail. >> >> And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll by >> not just me. >> >> Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that >> supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get >> sent to the back of the line because of stench. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Bret Ludwig wrote: >>> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no >>> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What >>> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are: >>> >>> * >>> >>> common across the nation >>> * >>> >>> the right size >>> * >>> >>> the right weight >>> * >>> >>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such >>> as a Jeep >>> * >>> >>> affordable to buy >>> * >>> >>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above >>> requirements" >>> >>> Let's see: >>> >>> Isuzu-several >>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T >>> Mercedes-OM617 >>> Mitsubishi-several >>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs >>> VW-maybe for a flatfender >>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats! >>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud >>> Volvo-same as Cummins >>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!! >>> Iveco-possible >>> >>> How many do you need? >>> > > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep, nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the price or something like that to clean it up... ;-) Mike Spdloader wrote: > I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my latest > '87 CJ project. > I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't wheel in > large groups like that anyway. > > Spdloader > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >> I'll bite for the Troll. >> >> Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep, eh? >> >> There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters. Despite >> your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously are >> smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still >> smarter than you Bret... >> >> And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line >> forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the >> 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke. >> >> Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a welcome >> addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the end >> like I mentioned. >> >> Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic in >> an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail. >> >> And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll by >> not just me. >> >> Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that >> supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get >> sent to the back of the line because of stench. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Bret Ludwig wrote: >>> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no >>> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What >>> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are: >>> >>> * >>> >>> common across the nation >>> * >>> >>> the right size >>> * >>> >>> the right weight >>> * >>> >>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such >>> as a Jeep >>> * >>> >>> affordable to buy >>> * >>> >>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above >>> requirements" >>> >>> Let's see: >>> >>> Isuzu-several >>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T >>> Mercedes-OM617 >>> Mitsubishi-several >>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs >>> VW-maybe for a flatfender >>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats! >>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud >>> Volvo-same as Cummins >>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!! >>> Iveco-possible >>> >>> How many do you need? >>> > > |
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