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Re: new wrangler - ug
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:o86dnXe4v7PNhXPZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > Nate, many similar complaints were made about the TJ at its introduction. > Coil springs like Land Rover? Say it ain't so. i feel coils springs were a natural evolution without changing the overall spirit of the vehicle. in fact, i feel they made the jeep even more capable than ever before. > I wonder why "heritage" seems to be more important to you than > "capability." it isnt "more" important, but capability is what built jeep heritage. without the heritage, its just another 4x4. > You are basing your negative opinion on the fact that the designers > considered at one time IFS, even though the final design keeps the solid > axle? Talk about picking nits. the majority of my negative opinion is based on the overall size of the vehicle. jeep was heading in the right direction......the rubicon release was a huge boost, and the unlimited was also an awesome addition......but this new wrangler is just to big to be a SWB jeep. -- Nathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://InlineDiesel.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Carry.com http://GlockCarry.com |
Re: new wrangler - ug
Nate Dog!
How have you been!? I'm diggin my Rubi Unlimited. I've gone places I never could before, especially in AZ. Personally, I like how they've kept the basic jeep context...but I won't be trading up basically due to the work I've put into my jeep. If I had one complaint of my jeep, it would be shoulder room. I'm actually hurting after a few hour ride. If the new one is 2" wider in the shoulder area, I'd be the first to admit I'd rather have it over mine... I'm almost afraid to sit in the new one. -- mark www.hydrotoys.com "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message news:44ee6d6e$0$10297$815e3792@news.qwest.net... > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:o86dnXe4v7PNhXPZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Nate, many similar complaints were made about the TJ at its introduction. >> Coil springs like Land Rover? Say it ain't so. > > i feel coils springs were a natural evolution without changing the overall > spirit of the vehicle. in fact, i feel they made the jeep even more > capable than ever before. > > >> I wonder why "heritage" seems to be more important to you than >> "capability." > > it isnt "more" important, but capability is what built jeep heritage. > without the heritage, its just another 4x4. > > >> You are basing your negative opinion on the fact that the designers >> considered at one time IFS, even though the final design keeps the solid >> axle? Talk about picking nits. > > the majority of my negative opinion is based on the overall size of the > vehicle. jeep was heading in the right direction......the rubicon release > was a huge boost, and the unlimited was also an awesome addition......but > this new wrangler is just to big to be a SWB jeep. > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://UtilityOffRoad.com > http://7SlotGrille.com > http://InlineDiesel.com > http://BighornRefrigeration.com > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Carry.com > http://GlockCarry.com > |
Re: new wrangler - ug
Nate Dog!
How have you been!? I'm diggin my Rubi Unlimited. I've gone places I never could before, especially in AZ. Personally, I like how they've kept the basic jeep context...but I won't be trading up basically due to the work I've put into my jeep. If I had one complaint of my jeep, it would be shoulder room. I'm actually hurting after a few hour ride. If the new one is 2" wider in the shoulder area, I'd be the first to admit I'd rather have it over mine... I'm almost afraid to sit in the new one. -- mark www.hydrotoys.com "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message news:44ee6d6e$0$10297$815e3792@news.qwest.net... > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:o86dnXe4v7PNhXPZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Nate, many similar complaints were made about the TJ at its introduction. >> Coil springs like Land Rover? Say it ain't so. > > i feel coils springs were a natural evolution without changing the overall > spirit of the vehicle. in fact, i feel they made the jeep even more > capable than ever before. > > >> I wonder why "heritage" seems to be more important to you than >> "capability." > > it isnt "more" important, but capability is what built jeep heritage. > without the heritage, its just another 4x4. > > >> You are basing your negative opinion on the fact that the designers >> considered at one time IFS, even though the final design keeps the solid >> axle? Talk about picking nits. > > the majority of my negative opinion is based on the overall size of the > vehicle. jeep was heading in the right direction......the rubicon release > was a huge boost, and the unlimited was also an awesome addition......but > this new wrangler is just to big to be a SWB jeep. > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://UtilityOffRoad.com > http://7SlotGrille.com > http://InlineDiesel.com > http://BighornRefrigeration.com > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Carry.com > http://GlockCarry.com > |
Re: new wrangler - ug
Nate Dog!
How have you been!? I'm diggin my Rubi Unlimited. I've gone places I never could before, especially in AZ. Personally, I like how they've kept the basic jeep context...but I won't be trading up basically due to the work I've put into my jeep. If I had one complaint of my jeep, it would be shoulder room. I'm actually hurting after a few hour ride. If the new one is 2" wider in the shoulder area, I'd be the first to admit I'd rather have it over mine... I'm almost afraid to sit in the new one. -- mark www.hydrotoys.com "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message news:44ee6d6e$0$10297$815e3792@news.qwest.net... > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:o86dnXe4v7PNhXPZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Nate, many similar complaints were made about the TJ at its introduction. >> Coil springs like Land Rover? Say it ain't so. > > i feel coils springs were a natural evolution without changing the overall > spirit of the vehicle. in fact, i feel they made the jeep even more > capable than ever before. > > >> I wonder why "heritage" seems to be more important to you than >> "capability." > > it isnt "more" important, but capability is what built jeep heritage. > without the heritage, its just another 4x4. > > >> You are basing your negative opinion on the fact that the designers >> considered at one time IFS, even though the final design keeps the solid >> axle? Talk about picking nits. > > the majority of my negative opinion is based on the overall size of the > vehicle. jeep was heading in the right direction......the rubicon release > was a huge boost, and the unlimited was also an awesome addition......but > this new wrangler is just to big to be a SWB jeep. > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://UtilityOffRoad.com > http://7SlotGrille.com > http://InlineDiesel.com > http://BighornRefrigeration.com > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Carry.com > http://GlockCarry.com > |
Re: new wrangler - ug
Nate Dog!
How have you been!? I'm diggin my Rubi Unlimited. I've gone places I never could before, especially in AZ. Personally, I like how they've kept the basic jeep context...but I won't be trading up basically due to the work I've put into my jeep. If I had one complaint of my jeep, it would be shoulder room. I'm actually hurting after a few hour ride. If the new one is 2" wider in the shoulder area, I'd be the first to admit I'd rather have it over mine... I'm almost afraid to sit in the new one. -- mark www.hydrotoys.com "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message news:44ee6d6e$0$10297$815e3792@news.qwest.net... > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:o86dnXe4v7PNhXPZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Nate, many similar complaints were made about the TJ at its introduction. >> Coil springs like Land Rover? Say it ain't so. > > i feel coils springs were a natural evolution without changing the overall > spirit of the vehicle. in fact, i feel they made the jeep even more > capable than ever before. > > >> I wonder why "heritage" seems to be more important to you than >> "capability." > > it isnt "more" important, but capability is what built jeep heritage. > without the heritage, its just another 4x4. > > >> You are basing your negative opinion on the fact that the designers >> considered at one time IFS, even though the final design keeps the solid >> axle? Talk about picking nits. > > the majority of my negative opinion is based on the overall size of the > vehicle. jeep was heading in the right direction......the rubicon release > was a huge boost, and the unlimited was also an awesome addition......but > this new wrangler is just to big to be a SWB jeep. > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://UtilityOffRoad.com > http://7SlotGrille.com > http://InlineDiesel.com > http://BighornRefrigeration.com > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Carry.com > http://GlockCarry.com > |
Re: new wrangler - ug
Hi Sandman,
I will remind you of a number of Real Jeepers that believe in Real Leaf springs: http://www.sounddomain.com/member_pa...730_8_full.jpg http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/susp/tjleafsprings/ http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axl.../fronthang.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Nathan W. Collier" wrote: > > i feel coils springs were a natural evolution without changing the overall > spirit of the vehicle. in fact, i feel they made the jeep even more capable > than ever before. > > it isnt "more" important, but capability is what built jeep heritage. > without the heritage, its just another 4x4. > > the majority of my negative opinion is based on the overall size of the > vehicle. jeep was heading in the right direction......the rubicon release > was a huge boost, and the unlimited was also an awesome addition......but > this new wrangler is just to big to be a SWB jeep. > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://UtilityOffRoad.com > http://7SlotGrille.com > http://InlineDiesel.com > http://BighornRefrigeration.com > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Carry.com > http://GlockCarry.com |
Re: new wrangler - ug
Hi Sandman,
I will remind you of a number of Real Jeepers that believe in Real Leaf springs: http://www.sounddomain.com/member_pa...730_8_full.jpg http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/susp/tjleafsprings/ http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axl.../fronthang.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Nathan W. Collier" wrote: > > i feel coils springs were a natural evolution without changing the overall > spirit of the vehicle. in fact, i feel they made the jeep even more capable > than ever before. > > it isnt "more" important, but capability is what built jeep heritage. > without the heritage, its just another 4x4. > > the majority of my negative opinion is based on the overall size of the > vehicle. jeep was heading in the right direction......the rubicon release > was a huge boost, and the unlimited was also an awesome addition......but > this new wrangler is just to big to be a SWB jeep. > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://UtilityOffRoad.com > http://7SlotGrille.com > http://InlineDiesel.com > http://BighornRefrigeration.com > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Carry.com > http://GlockCarry.com |
Re: new wrangler - ug
Hi Sandman,
I will remind you of a number of Real Jeepers that believe in Real Leaf springs: http://www.sounddomain.com/member_pa...730_8_full.jpg http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/susp/tjleafsprings/ http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axl.../fronthang.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Nathan W. Collier" wrote: > > i feel coils springs were a natural evolution without changing the overall > spirit of the vehicle. in fact, i feel they made the jeep even more capable > than ever before. > > it isnt "more" important, but capability is what built jeep heritage. > without the heritage, its just another 4x4. > > the majority of my negative opinion is based on the overall size of the > vehicle. jeep was heading in the right direction......the rubicon release > was a huge boost, and the unlimited was also an awesome addition......but > this new wrangler is just to big to be a SWB jeep. > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://UtilityOffRoad.com > http://7SlotGrille.com > http://InlineDiesel.com > http://BighornRefrigeration.com > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Carry.com > http://GlockCarry.com |
Re: new wrangler - ug
Hi Sandman,
I will remind you of a number of Real Jeepers that believe in Real Leaf springs: http://www.sounddomain.com/member_pa...730_8_full.jpg http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/susp/tjleafsprings/ http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axl.../fronthang.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Nathan W. Collier" wrote: > > i feel coils springs were a natural evolution without changing the overall > spirit of the vehicle. in fact, i feel they made the jeep even more capable > than ever before. > > it isnt "more" important, but capability is what built jeep heritage. > without the heritage, its just another 4x4. > > the majority of my negative opinion is based on the overall size of the > vehicle. jeep was heading in the right direction......the rubicon release > was a huge boost, and the unlimited was also an awesome addition......but > this new wrangler is just to big to be a SWB jeep. > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://UtilityOffRoad.com > http://7SlotGrille.com > http://InlineDiesel.com > http://BighornRefrigeration.com > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Carry.com > http://GlockCarry.com |
Re: new wrangler - ug
"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message news:44ee6d6e$0$10297$815e3792@news.qwest.net... > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:o86dnXe4v7PNhXPZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Nate, many similar complaints were made about the TJ at its introduction. >> Coil springs like Land Rover? Say it ain't so. > > i feel coils springs were a natural evolution without changing the overall > spirit of the vehicle. in fact, i feel they made the jeep even more > capable than ever before. > My point being every redesign brings out the "Why don't they leave it alone" in a lot of people. Your comment about DC turning the Wrangler into a Land Rover wannabe made me remember that Land Rover had coils way before the Wrangler, so you could say they have been trying to do this for 10 years. I agree about the coils, but remember were lambasted when they were intro'd in the Wrangler, and time has proven their worth. > > the majority of my negative opinion is based on the overall size of the > vehicle. jeep was heading in the right direction......the rubicon release > was a huge boost, and the unlimited was also an awesome addition......but > this new wrangler is just to big to be a SWB jeep. The 2-door JK's wheelbase (95.4") is only 2 inches longer than the standard TJ (93.4), so I would consider it qualifying as a SWB. Throw in a heftier Tcase with no more slipjoint on the output shaft, an electric swaybar disconnect, electric lockers (on the Rubicon), longer control arms, and other improvements in the design and you have the most capable off-the-sales floor Wrangler to date. Of course it comes with all the electronic crap like stability control but that has to do more with the consumer expecting it than the actual need for it. I agree that the 4-door Wrangler is huge, but I think of that one as the *true* replacement for the XJ, (or finally the incarnation of the Dakar concept) with solid axles, seating for 5 and a decent cargo area. That's why we might consider getting one in 08 or 09, once the bugs are worked out of the new model. As for me, it will take a while to get used to the front fenders...they look like they are barely hanging on, and the front bumper is butt-ugly. And full doors with the top off look stupid. That said I've seen pre-production JK Wranglers all over SE Michigan for months now, believe me, even from a distance you can tell it's a Wrangler. |
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