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Re: new wrangler - ug
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:44ED0F72.29CB70DC@cox.net... > Not many know the first Land Rover was built on a Jeep chassis and > running gear. i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format that shows it if youre interested. -- Nathan in Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Carry.com http://GlockCarry.com http://hkusp.info |
Re: new wrangler - ug
Please see the section "What the Liberty could have been (Bob Sheaves)"
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:44ED216D.7A2D1AAB@cox.net... > First off with Independent Front Suspension we loose about ten > inches of ground clearance, look way up in there and you will see axle > boot or the height of a regular live axle: > http://www.----------.com/05cherokee...okee2front.jpg Plus look at > how it's bottomed out just getting on the car trailer. Then actually > look at the suspension and note the space between the bump stops the > open areas are the four inches of articulation, making it possible to > get stuck on a road: > http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg Comparison: > http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg > The rear end of my thunderbird is perfect for a run to Lost Wages, > It's Independent Suspension like the Ferrari or Corvette hugs the road > at high speed, but like the Libby and '05 Cherokee, it's put together > with puny stamped steel and rubber grommets: > 89thunderbirdRearIndependentSuspension.jpg Just imagine pulling a > trailer, which way the tires would be pointing while trying to recover > from an emergency lane change and fishtail. Leave that for Real Trucks > with Real leaf springs. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > QX wrote: >> >> Please excuse my questions, but I am new to the Jeep world. >> I am pretty sure IFS means Independent Front Suspension, but I don't >> understand how it compares with a solid axle, and why one is better >> than the other. >> Also, is SWB, Short Wheel Base? As in Wrangler? as opposed to the >> Grand Cherokee? >> >> I'd also like to know how an IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) affects >> towing capacity. Something I read on a jeep related forum. The tone of >> the thread was that in most cases IRS reduces towing capacity >> dramatically, but there are ways to maintain 5K capacity if it is done >> right? >> >> Just trying to learn more and more. >> Thanks |
Re: new wrangler - ug
Please see the section "What the Liberty could have been (Bob Sheaves)"
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:44ED216D.7A2D1AAB@cox.net... > First off with Independent Front Suspension we loose about ten > inches of ground clearance, look way up in there and you will see axle > boot or the height of a regular live axle: > http://www.----------.com/05cherokee...okee2front.jpg Plus look at > how it's bottomed out just getting on the car trailer. Then actually > look at the suspension and note the space between the bump stops the > open areas are the four inches of articulation, making it possible to > get stuck on a road: > http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg Comparison: > http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg > The rear end of my thunderbird is perfect for a run to Lost Wages, > It's Independent Suspension like the Ferrari or Corvette hugs the road > at high speed, but like the Libby and '05 Cherokee, it's put together > with puny stamped steel and rubber grommets: > 89thunderbirdRearIndependentSuspension.jpg Just imagine pulling a > trailer, which way the tires would be pointing while trying to recover > from an emergency lane change and fishtail. Leave that for Real Trucks > with Real leaf springs. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > QX wrote: >> >> Please excuse my questions, but I am new to the Jeep world. >> I am pretty sure IFS means Independent Front Suspension, but I don't >> understand how it compares with a solid axle, and why one is better >> than the other. >> Also, is SWB, Short Wheel Base? As in Wrangler? as opposed to the >> Grand Cherokee? >> >> I'd also like to know how an IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) affects >> towing capacity. Something I read on a jeep related forum. The tone of >> the thread was that in most cases IRS reduces towing capacity >> dramatically, but there are ways to maintain 5K capacity if it is done >> right? >> >> Just trying to learn more and more. >> Thanks |
Re: new wrangler - ug
Please see the section "What the Liberty could have been (Bob Sheaves)"
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:44ED216D.7A2D1AAB@cox.net... > First off with Independent Front Suspension we loose about ten > inches of ground clearance, look way up in there and you will see axle > boot or the height of a regular live axle: > http://www.----------.com/05cherokee...okee2front.jpg Plus look at > how it's bottomed out just getting on the car trailer. Then actually > look at the suspension and note the space between the bump stops the > open areas are the four inches of articulation, making it possible to > get stuck on a road: > http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg Comparison: > http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg > The rear end of my thunderbird is perfect for a run to Lost Wages, > It's Independent Suspension like the Ferrari or Corvette hugs the road > at high speed, but like the Libby and '05 Cherokee, it's put together > with puny stamped steel and rubber grommets: > 89thunderbirdRearIndependentSuspension.jpg Just imagine pulling a > trailer, which way the tires would be pointing while trying to recover > from an emergency lane change and fishtail. Leave that for Real Trucks > with Real leaf springs. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > QX wrote: >> >> Please excuse my questions, but I am new to the Jeep world. >> I am pretty sure IFS means Independent Front Suspension, but I don't >> understand how it compares with a solid axle, and why one is better >> than the other. >> Also, is SWB, Short Wheel Base? As in Wrangler? as opposed to the >> Grand Cherokee? >> >> I'd also like to know how an IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) affects >> towing capacity. Something I read on a jeep related forum. The tone of >> the thread was that in most cases IRS reduces towing capacity >> dramatically, but there are ways to maintain 5K capacity if it is done >> right? >> >> Just trying to learn more and more. >> Thanks |
Re: new wrangler - ug
Please see the section "What the Liberty could have been (Bob Sheaves)"
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:44ED216D.7A2D1AAB@cox.net... > First off with Independent Front Suspension we loose about ten > inches of ground clearance, look way up in there and you will see axle > boot or the height of a regular live axle: > http://www.----------.com/05cherokee...okee2front.jpg Plus look at > how it's bottomed out just getting on the car trailer. Then actually > look at the suspension and note the space between the bump stops the > open areas are the four inches of articulation, making it possible to > get stuck on a road: > http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg Comparison: > http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg > The rear end of my thunderbird is perfect for a run to Lost Wages, > It's Independent Suspension like the Ferrari or Corvette hugs the road > at high speed, but like the Libby and '05 Cherokee, it's put together > with puny stamped steel and rubber grommets: > 89thunderbirdRearIndependentSuspension.jpg Just imagine pulling a > trailer, which way the tires would be pointing while trying to recover > from an emergency lane change and fishtail. Leave that for Real Trucks > with Real leaf springs. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > QX wrote: >> >> Please excuse my questions, but I am new to the Jeep world. >> I am pretty sure IFS means Independent Front Suspension, but I don't >> understand how it compares with a solid axle, and why one is better >> than the other. >> Also, is SWB, Short Wheel Base? As in Wrangler? as opposed to the >> Grand Cherokee? >> >> I'd also like to know how an IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) affects >> towing capacity. Something I read on a jeep related forum. The tone of >> the thread was that in most cases IRS reduces towing capacity >> dramatically, but there are ways to maintain 5K capacity if it is done >> right? >> >> Just trying to learn more and more. >> Thanks |
Re: new wrangler - ug
I copied the video too. It starts off with the first 4X4 cars
around 1910, modified to use as trucks in World War I. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Nathan W. Collier" wrote: > > i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format > that shows it if youre interested. > > -- > Nathan in Montana > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Carry.com > http://GlockCarry.com > http://hkusp.info |
Re: new wrangler - ug
I copied the video too. It starts off with the first 4X4 cars
around 1910, modified to use as trucks in World War I. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Nathan W. Collier" wrote: > > i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format > that shows it if youre interested. > > -- > Nathan in Montana > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Carry.com > http://GlockCarry.com > http://hkusp.info |
Re: new wrangler - ug
I copied the video too. It starts off with the first 4X4 cars
around 1910, modified to use as trucks in World War I. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Nathan W. Collier" wrote: > > i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format > that shows it if youre interested. > > -- > Nathan in Montana > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Carry.com > http://GlockCarry.com > http://hkusp.info |
Re: new wrangler - ug
I copied the video too. It starts off with the first 4X4 cars
around 1910, modified to use as trucks in World War I. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Nathan W. Collier" wrote: > > i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format > that shows it if youre interested. > > -- > Nathan in Montana > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Carry.com > http://GlockCarry.com > http://hkusp.info |
Re: new wrangler - ug
Thanks.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ billy ray wrote: > > Please see the section "What the Liberty could have been (Bob Sheaves)" > > http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html |
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