The new GC with Hemi
12-18-2004, 08:14 PM
#151
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Re: The new GC with Hemi
the m.d.s has been out as long as the 300c has
Mike Romain wrote:
> John Sevey wrote:
> >
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > Too freakin' funny!
> > >
> > > It 'should' be better than the GM abortion because 'electronics are
> > > faster' and the mathematicians are better. LOL!!!
> > >
> > > So you get all this expensive 'extra' electronics, parts and hesitations
> > > and all the rest of the crap in an 'experimental' engine to gain , wait,
> > > this is good... a whopping 3 mpg!!!!!!!
> >
> > Here's another article, showing that good 'ol GM is also using the same
> > system. This article also mentions a similar "computing power" quote:
> >
> > http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/041020.htm
> >
> > Like I said, I'll wait 'till some of these things get more actual consumer
> > miles on them before I pass judgement on them, but I have my own concerns
> > about their longevity...
> >
> > -John
>
> You are right time will tell, but they don't sound like they are
> starting out well.
>
> Mike
Mike Romain wrote:
> John Sevey wrote:
> >
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > Too freakin' funny!
> > >
> > > It 'should' be better than the GM abortion because 'electronics are
> > > faster' and the mathematicians are better. LOL!!!
> > >
> > > So you get all this expensive 'extra' electronics, parts and hesitations
> > > and all the rest of the crap in an 'experimental' engine to gain , wait,
> > > this is good... a whopping 3 mpg!!!!!!!
> >
> > Here's another article, showing that good 'ol GM is also using the same
> > system. This article also mentions a similar "computing power" quote:
> >
> > http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/041020.htm
> >
> > Like I said, I'll wait 'till some of these things get more actual consumer
> > miles on them before I pass judgement on them, but I have my own concerns
> > about their longevity...
> >
> > -John
>
> You are right time will tell, but they don't sound like they are
> starting out well.
>
> Mike
12-20-2004, 11:25 AM
#152
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Re: The new GC with Hemi
mic canic <dbrider@cac.net> wrote:
> the m.d.s has been out as long as the 300c has
Just curious:
Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
-John
> the m.d.s has been out as long as the 300c has
Just curious:
Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
-John
12-20-2004, 11:25 AM
#153
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Re: The new GC with Hemi
mic canic <dbrider@cac.net> wrote:
> the m.d.s has been out as long as the 300c has
Just curious:
Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
-John
> the m.d.s has been out as long as the 300c has
Just curious:
Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
-John
12-20-2004, 11:25 AM
#154
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Re: The new GC with Hemi
mic canic <dbrider@cac.net> wrote:
> the m.d.s has been out as long as the 300c has
Just curious:
Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
-John
> the m.d.s has been out as long as the 300c has
Just curious:
Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
-John
12-20-2004, 01:26 PM
#155
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Re: The new GC with Hemi
I don't know why, Chrysler's got over fifty years of using that
exact same design: http://www.----------.com/hemi_cutaway.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
John Sevey wrote:
>
> Just curious:
>
> Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
> the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
> I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
>
> I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
> hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
>
> -John
exact same design: http://www.----------.com/hemi_cutaway.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
John Sevey wrote:
>
> Just curious:
>
> Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
> the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
> I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
>
> I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
> hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
>
> -John
12-20-2004, 01:26 PM
#156
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Re: The new GC with Hemi
I don't know why, Chrysler's got over fifty years of using that
exact same design: http://www.----------.com/hemi_cutaway.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
John Sevey wrote:
>
> Just curious:
>
> Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
> the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
> I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
>
> I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
> hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
>
> -John
exact same design: http://www.----------.com/hemi_cutaway.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
John Sevey wrote:
>
> Just curious:
>
> Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
> the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
> I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
>
> I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
> hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
>
> -John
12-20-2004, 01:26 PM
#157
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Re: The new GC with Hemi
I don't know why, Chrysler's got over fifty years of using that
exact same design: http://www.----------.com/hemi_cutaway.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
John Sevey wrote:
>
> Just curious:
>
> Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
> the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
> I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
>
> I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
> hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
>
> -John
exact same design: http://www.----------.com/hemi_cutaway.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
John Sevey wrote:
>
> Just curious:
>
> Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
> the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
> I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
>
> I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
> hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
>
> -John
12-20-2004, 01:39 PM
#158
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Re: The new GC with Hemi
Not the same engine Bill. The one they stick in the Jeep tries to run
on 4 cylinders by shutting down the valve lifters with oil cut off
solenoids. They starve them for oil so they collapse and the engine
staggers along on 4 cylinders.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> I don't know why, Chrysler's got over fifty years of using that
> exact same design: http://www.----------.com/hemi_cutaway.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> John Sevey wrote:
> >
> > Just curious:
> >
> > Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
> > the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
> > I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
> >
> > I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
> > hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
> >
> > -John
on 4 cylinders by shutting down the valve lifters with oil cut off
solenoids. They starve them for oil so they collapse and the engine
staggers along on 4 cylinders.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> I don't know why, Chrysler's got over fifty years of using that
> exact same design: http://www.----------.com/hemi_cutaway.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> John Sevey wrote:
> >
> > Just curious:
> >
> > Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
> > the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
> > I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
> >
> > I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
> > hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
> >
> > -John
12-20-2004, 01:39 PM
#159
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Re: The new GC with Hemi
Not the same engine Bill. The one they stick in the Jeep tries to run
on 4 cylinders by shutting down the valve lifters with oil cut off
solenoids. They starve them for oil so they collapse and the engine
staggers along on 4 cylinders.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> I don't know why, Chrysler's got over fifty years of using that
> exact same design: http://www.----------.com/hemi_cutaway.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> John Sevey wrote:
> >
> > Just curious:
> >
> > Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
> > the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
> > I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
> >
> > I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
> > hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
> >
> > -John
on 4 cylinders by shutting down the valve lifters with oil cut off
solenoids. They starve them for oil so they collapse and the engine
staggers along on 4 cylinders.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> I don't know why, Chrysler's got over fifty years of using that
> exact same design: http://www.----------.com/hemi_cutaway.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> John Sevey wrote:
> >
> > Just curious:
> >
> > Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
> > the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
> > I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
> >
> > I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
> > hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
> >
> > -John
12-20-2004, 01:39 PM
#160
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Re: The new GC with Hemi
Not the same engine Bill. The one they stick in the Jeep tries to run
on 4 cylinders by shutting down the valve lifters with oil cut off
solenoids. They starve them for oil so they collapse and the engine
staggers along on 4 cylinders.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> I don't know why, Chrysler's got over fifty years of using that
> exact same design: http://www.----------.com/hemi_cutaway.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> John Sevey wrote:
> >
> > Just curious:
> >
> > Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
> > the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
> > I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
> >
> > I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
> > hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
> >
> > -John
on 4 cylinders by shutting down the valve lifters with oil cut off
solenoids. They starve them for oil so they collapse and the engine
staggers along on 4 cylinders.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> I don't know why, Chrysler's got over fifty years of using that
> exact same design: http://www.----------.com/hemi_cutaway.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> John Sevey wrote:
> >
> > Just curious:
> >
> > Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in
> > the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity.
> > I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
> >
> > I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with
> > hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
> >
> > -John
