Check to make sure they didn't pull the bulb on the Check Engine light.

"Tigger" <apfv@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the articles. I wrote to DC as follows:
>
> DaimlerChrysler Customer Assistance Center
> P.O. Box 21-8004
> Auburn Hills, MI 48321-8004
>
> Attention: Alan Falkowski
>

 

Check to make sure they didn't pull the bulb on the Check Engine light.

"Tigger" <apfv@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the articles. I wrote to DC as follows:
>
> DaimlerChrysler Customer Assistance Center
> P.O. Box 21-8004
> Auburn Hills, MI 48321-8004
>
> Attention: Alan Falkowski
>

 

Good luck on that, they basically told me to go fly a kite when I asked them
for an aftermarket trans oil for the 3550 (before it was available
aftermarket)

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Use their email contact, too:
>
http://www.jeep.com/universal/J/inde...d_forms/us/inp
ut.jsp&titleStr=Contact+Jeep&leftNavURL=/wccs/brand_forms/us/templates/J/lef
t.jsp&franchise=J&familyStr=brand&family=brand&app Str=wccs&prefix=
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tigger wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the articles. I wrote to DC as follows:
> >
> > DaimlerChrysler Customer Assistance Center
> > P.O. Box 21-8004
> > Auburn Hills, MI 48321-8004
> >
> > Attention: Alan Falkowski
> >
> > Gentlemen:
> >
> > I recently purchased a new, 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee limited with the
> > HEMI(R) MDS engine option. My VIN number is:
> > 1-------------------------. I took delivery of the Vehicle last Friday
> > 12/10/04 from Smith Haven Automotive Group, St. James, NY.
> >
> > There are two things I feel during acceleration in the range of
> > approximately 1700 to 4000rpm:
> >
> > 1) Acceleration is uneven. With steady throttle pedal pressure, the
> > vehicle accelerates unevenly with bursts of power similar to that of a
> > 2 stroke motorcycle power band. This is not to be confused with normal
> > shifting of the transmission. This is a real unevenness with bursts of
> > power at different intervals from 1700 rpm through 4000rpm with a
> > steady, even foot.
> > 2) During acceleration multiple, mini interruptions in power or
> > hesitations occur. Although these hesitations are minor, they are
> > frequent during acceleration and noticeable. It almost feels like the
> > motor may be hindered by some type of malfunction in the MDS system or
> > that normal operation of the MDS system may cause the engine to
> > hesitate.
> >
> > The above conditions occurred from the first time I drove the vehicle.
> >
> > The vehicles check engine light came on within 15 minutes of driving it
> > off the lot at Smith Haven Auto Group in St. James, NY. I returned the
> > vehicle and they reset the light which came on as soon as I left the
> > lot for the second time. I dropped off the Jeep the following day. The
> > dealer spent almost 2 full days trying to determine the problem. I
> > reported the hesitation to them as well. They had told me that they had
> > been on the phone with your engineers and had determined that a chaffed
> > wire behind the engine block, connected to the MDS system may have been
> > the culprit. I visited them while they worked on my Jeep and saw that
> > they had the entire top section of the motor apart.
> >
> > The check engine light is no longer illuminated but both the problems I
> > mentioned above still exist.
> >
> > I am not a letter writing wacko. I'm concerned. My vehicle feels as
> > if it can't be trusted. I believe unreliable is the term I'm
> > looking for. If there's a problem that Chrysler engineers are aware
> > of, that's fine with me. Just keep me informed and I'll wait out
> > the fix. I will even volunteer as a guinea pig if it will help them
> > resolve these issues. If there are no similar complaints than I'm
> > afraid I may have a vehicle which I am almost certain has some huge
> > power train issues that were there prior to purchase.
> >
> > Please pass this message along to the Chrysler Engineering staff so
> > that this issue gets the attention it most likely deserves. I am also
> > willing to part with the vehicle for some time if Chrysler wishes to
> > inspect the vehicle further.
> >
> > On a side note; I am pleased with the Dealer and their efforts to
> > accommodate me. Special thanks to Tim Burk who has made buying a new
> > Jeep a pleasant experience. I am also pleased to own a new Jeep with
> > such cutting edge technology. Let's try to work out these bugs
> > together.

 

Good luck on that, they basically told me to go fly a kite when I asked them
for an aftermarket trans oil for the 3550 (before it was available
aftermarket)

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41C39164.65D3F8E7@***.net...
> Use their email contact, too:
>
http://www.jeep.com/universal/J/inde...d_forms/us/inp
ut.jsp&titleStr=Contact+Jeep&leftNavURL=/wccs/brand_forms/us/templates/J/lef
t.jsp&franchise=J&familyStr=brand&family=brand&app Str=wccs&prefix=
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tigger wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the articles. I wrote to DC as follows:
> >
> > DaimlerChrysler Customer Assistance Center
> > P.O. Box 21-8004
> > Auburn Hills, MI 48321-8004
> >
> > Attention: Alan Falkowski
> >
> > Gentlemen:
> >
> > I recently purchased a new, 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee limited with the
> > HEMI(R) MDS engine option. My VIN number is:
> > 1-------------------------. I took delivery of the Vehicle last Friday
> > 12/10/04 from Smith Haven Automotive Group, St. James, NY.
> >
> > There are two things I feel during acceleration in the range of
> > approximately 1700 to 4000rpm:
> >
> > 1) Acceleration is uneven. With steady throttle pedal pressure, the
> > vehicle accelerates unevenly with bursts of power similar to that of a
> > 2 stroke motorcycle power band. This is not to be confused with normal
> > shifting of the transmission. This is a real unevenness with bursts of
> > power at different intervals from 1700 rpm through 4000rpm with a
> > steady, even foot.
> > 2) During acceleration multiple, mini interruptions in power or
> > hesitations occur. Although these hesitations are minor, they are
> > frequent during acceleration and noticeable. It almost feels like the
> > motor may be hindered by some type of malfunction in the MDS system or
> > that normal operation of the MDS system may cause the engine to
> > hesitate.
> >
> > The above conditions occurred from the first time I drove the vehicle.
> >
> > The vehicles check engine light came on within 15 minutes of driving it
> > off the lot at Smith Haven Auto Group in St. James, NY. I returned the
> > vehicle and they reset the light which came on as soon as I left the
> > lot for the second time. I dropped off the Jeep the following day. The
> > dealer spent almost 2 full days trying to determine the problem. I
> > reported the hesitation to them as well. They had told me that they had
> > been on the phone with your engineers and had determined that a chaffed
> > wire behind the engine block, connected to the MDS system may have been
> > the culprit. I visited them while they worked on my Jeep and saw that
> > they had the entire top section of the motor apart.
> >
> > The check engine light is no longer illuminated but both the problems I
> > mentioned above still exist.
> >
> > I am not a letter writing wacko. I'm concerned. My vehicle feels as
> > if it can't be trusted. I believe unreliable is the term I'm
> > looking for. If there's a problem that Chrysler engineers are aware
> > of, that's fine with me. Just keep me informed and I'll wait out
> > the fix. I will even volunteer as a guinea pig if it will help them
> > resolve these issues. If there are no similar complaints than I'm
> > afraid I may have a vehicle which I am almost certain has some huge
> > power train issues that were there prior to purchase.
> >
> > Please pass this message along to the Chrysler Engineering staff so
> > that this issue gets the attention it most likely deserves. I am also
> > willing to part with the vehicle for some time if Chrysler wishes to
> > inspect the vehicle further.
> >
> > On a side note; I am pleased with the Dealer and their efforts to
> > accommodate me. Special thanks to Tim Burk who has made buying a new
> > Jeep a pleasant experience. I am also pleased to own a new Jeep with
> > such cutting edge technology. Let's try to work out these bugs
> > together.

 

Good luck on that, they basically told me to go fly a kite when I asked them
for an aftermarket trans oil for the 3550 (before it was available
aftermarket)

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41C39164.65D3F8E7@***.net...
> Use their email contact, too:
>
http://www.jeep.com/universal/J/inde...d_forms/us/inp
ut.jsp&titleStr=Contact+Jeep&leftNavURL=/wccs/brand_forms/us/templates/J/lef
t.jsp&franchise=J&familyStr=brand&family=brand&app Str=wccs&prefix=
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tigger wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the articles. I wrote to DC as follows:
> >
> > DaimlerChrysler Customer Assistance Center
> > P.O. Box 21-8004
> > Auburn Hills, MI 48321-8004
> >
> > Attention: Alan Falkowski
> >
> > Gentlemen:
> >
> > I recently purchased a new, 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee limited with the
> > HEMI(R) MDS engine option. My VIN number is:
> > 1-------------------------. I took delivery of the Vehicle last Friday
> > 12/10/04 from Smith Haven Automotive Group, St. James, NY.
> >
> > There are two things I feel during acceleration in the range of
> > approximately 1700 to 4000rpm:
> >
> > 1) Acceleration is uneven. With steady throttle pedal pressure, the
> > vehicle accelerates unevenly with bursts of power similar to that of a
> > 2 stroke motorcycle power band. This is not to be confused with normal
> > shifting of the transmission. This is a real unevenness with bursts of
> > power at different intervals from 1700 rpm through 4000rpm with a
> > steady, even foot.
> > 2) During acceleration multiple, mini interruptions in power or
> > hesitations occur. Although these hesitations are minor, they are
> > frequent during acceleration and noticeable. It almost feels like the
> > motor may be hindered by some type of malfunction in the MDS system or
> > that normal operation of the MDS system may cause the engine to
> > hesitate.
> >
> > The above conditions occurred from the first time I drove the vehicle.
> >
> > The vehicles check engine light came on within 15 minutes of driving it
> > off the lot at Smith Haven Auto Group in St. James, NY. I returned the
> > vehicle and they reset the light which came on as soon as I left the
> > lot for the second time. I dropped off the Jeep the following day. The
> > dealer spent almost 2 full days trying to determine the problem. I
> > reported the hesitation to them as well. They had told me that they had
> > been on the phone with your engineers and had determined that a chaffed
> > wire behind the engine block, connected to the MDS system may have been
> > the culprit. I visited them while they worked on my Jeep and saw that
> > they had the entire top section of the motor apart.
> >
> > The check engine light is no longer illuminated but both the problems I
> > mentioned above still exist.
> >
> > I am not a letter writing wacko. I'm concerned. My vehicle feels as
> > if it can't be trusted. I believe unreliable is the term I'm
> > looking for. If there's a problem that Chrysler engineers are aware
> > of, that's fine with me. Just keep me informed and I'll wait out
> > the fix. I will even volunteer as a guinea pig if it will help them
> > resolve these issues. If there are no similar complaints than I'm
> > afraid I may have a vehicle which I am almost certain has some huge
> > power train issues that were there prior to purchase.
> >
> > Please pass this message along to the Chrysler Engineering staff so
> > that this issue gets the attention it most likely deserves. I am also
> > willing to part with the vehicle for some time if Chrysler wishes to
> > inspect the vehicle further.
> >
> > On a side note; I am pleased with the Dealer and their efforts to
> > accommodate me. Special thanks to Tim Burk who has made buying a new
> > Jeep a pleasant experience. I am also pleased to own a new Jeep with
> > such cutting edge technology. Let's try to work out these bugs
> > together.

 

not to make excuses for the jeep but keep in mind the engine no longer has
a throttle cable which does result in some lag time that cannot be removed
and i like u think it sucks
the throttle is not 2 electric motors basicly
it also takes about 2000 miles for the computers to learn your driving
habits and idle routines

Tigger wrote:

> I took delivery of a 2005 GC Limited w/ HEMI(R) MDS. I am not pleased
> and not sure i want to fight it out with the dealer and chrysler or
> not.
>
> Upon leaving the dealer: engine light came on and stayed on. Hesitation
> during normal exceleration.
> Dealer kept truck for 1.5 days and had the hole top of the motor apart
> and the chrsyler engineers on the phone. They chalked it up to a chafed
> wire connected to the MDS system. well i got my new jeep back and im
> very very upset.
>
> yes it has monster power but it has these hesitations throughout
> exceleration that drive me nuts. They are not obvious jerk u back and
> forth hesitations. They are an unevenness in applyed power through
> exceleration. I HATE it. makes me feel like its not put together
> correctly. My wif has an escalade with a 345hp engine that is smooth as
> silk through power application. My HEMI is more like a 2 stroke
> kawasaki as it has high spots and low spots in power application from
> 1700 all the way up through 4000rps. I'm sorry guys im sure my
> terminoligy is not the best. I'm bummed. I love the truck. just started
> searching the groups to see if anyone else has the same problem.

 

not to make excuses for the jeep but keep in mind the engine no longer has
a throttle cable which does result in some lag time that cannot be removed
and i like u think it sucks
the throttle is not 2 electric motors basicly
it also takes about 2000 miles for the computers to learn your driving
habits and idle routines

Tigger wrote:

> I took delivery of a 2005 GC Limited w/ HEMI(R) MDS. I am not pleased
> and not sure i want to fight it out with the dealer and chrysler or
> not.
>
> Upon leaving the dealer: engine light came on and stayed on. Hesitation
> during normal exceleration.
> Dealer kept truck for 1.5 days and had the hole top of the motor apart
> and the chrsyler engineers on the phone. They chalked it up to a chafed
> wire connected to the MDS system. well i got my new jeep back and im
> very very upset.
>
> yes it has monster power but it has these hesitations throughout
> exceleration that drive me nuts. They are not obvious jerk u back and
> forth hesitations. They are an unevenness in applyed power through
> exceleration. I HATE it. makes me feel like its not put together
> correctly. My wif has an escalade with a 345hp engine that is smooth as
> silk through power application. My HEMI is more like a 2 stroke
> kawasaki as it has high spots and low spots in power application from
> 1700 all the way up through 4000rps. I'm sorry guys im sure my
> terminoligy is not the best. I'm bummed. I love the truck. just started
> searching the groups to see if anyone else has the same problem.

 

not to make excuses for the jeep but keep in mind the engine no longer has
a throttle cable which does result in some lag time that cannot be removed
and i like u think it sucks
the throttle is not 2 electric motors basicly
it also takes about 2000 miles for the computers to learn your driving
habits and idle routines

Tigger wrote:

> I took delivery of a 2005 GC Limited w/ HEMI(R) MDS. I am not pleased
> and not sure i want to fight it out with the dealer and chrysler or
> not.
>
> Upon leaving the dealer: engine light came on and stayed on. Hesitation
> during normal exceleration.
> Dealer kept truck for 1.5 days and had the hole top of the motor apart
> and the chrsyler engineers on the phone. They chalked it up to a chafed
> wire connected to the MDS system. well i got my new jeep back and im
> very very upset.
>
> yes it has monster power but it has these hesitations throughout
> exceleration that drive me nuts. They are not obvious jerk u back and
> forth hesitations. They are an unevenness in applyed power through
> exceleration. I HATE it. makes me feel like its not put together
> correctly. My wif has an escalade with a 345hp engine that is smooth as
> silk through power application. My HEMI is more like a 2 stroke
> kawasaki as it has high spots and low spots in power application from
> 1700 all the way up through 4000rps. I'm sorry guys im sure my
> terminoligy is not the best. I'm bummed. I love the truck. just started
> searching the groups to see if anyone else has the same problem.

 

the m.d.s has been out as long as the 300c has

Mike Romain wrote:

> John Sevey wrote:
> >
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > Too freakin' funny!
> > >
> > > It 'should' be better than the GM abortion because 'electronics are
> > > faster' and the mathematicians are better. LOL!!!
> > >
> > > So you get all this expensive 'extra' electronics, parts and hesitations
> > > and all the rest of the crap in an 'experimental' engine to gain , wait,
> > > this is good... a whopping 3 mpg!!!!!!!
> >
> > Here's another article, showing that good 'ol GM is also using the same
> > system. This article also mentions a similar "computing power" quote:
> >
> > http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/041020.htm
> >
> > Like I said, I'll wait 'till some of these things get more actual consumer
> > miles on them before I pass judgement on them, but I have my own concerns
> > about their longevity...
> >
> > -John
>
> You are right time will tell, but they don't sound like they are
> starting out well.
>
> Mike

 

the m.d.s has been out as long as the 300c has

Mike Romain wrote:

> John Sevey wrote:
> >
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > Too freakin' funny!
> > >
> > > It 'should' be better than the GM abortion because 'electronics are
> > > faster' and the mathematicians are better. LOL!!!
> > >
> > > So you get all this expensive 'extra' electronics, parts and hesitations
> > > and all the rest of the crap in an 'experimental' engine to gain , wait,
> > > this is good... a whopping 3 mpg!!!!!!!
> >
> > Here's another article, showing that good 'ol GM is also using the same
> > system. This article also mentions a similar "computing power" quote:
> >
> > http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/041020.htm
> >
> > Like I said, I'll wait 'till some of these things get more actual consumer
> > miles on them before I pass judgement on them, but I have my own concerns
> > about their longevity...
> >
> > -John
>
> You are right time will tell, but they don't sound like they are
> starting out well.
>
> Mike