MileMarker PE8000
01-12-2005, 01:44 AM
#44
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: MileMarker PE8000
MM won the RFP/RFB by being the lowest-cost responsive bidder. I was
involved in government bidding activities for 25 years (multi-million
dollar supercomputers) and it's not just best quality that wins, final
cost is a key factor in additon to "can it do what we want it to do"..
Yes Milemarker "won" the bid, they weren't awarded it because some
bureaucrat decided Milemarker had the coolest winch and said something
stupid like 'cost is no object because I want Milemarker'. Those in the
know have always said that Milemarker bought that business with a lower
than a stand-alone profitable bid because they expected to make up for
it by added commercial sales from being able to advertise how they are
suppliers to the military. Ever notice how nearly every ad pushes the
military angle? They had to because Warn was cleaning their clock.
They sure achieved their goal of using the military angle to get people
on board with their product, and it saved the company whose sales were
lackluster at best at the time..
Jerry.
montanajeeper@aol.com wrote:
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>NO I'm not seeing stuff that was purchased before Milemarker won that
>
>
>>deal, this stuff is not that old.
>
>
> mile marker has been the exclusive winch provider to the US military
> for about 2 years. a 2 year old winch left over from before the
> hydraulic standard was set would not be "old".
>
> ....and mile marker didnt "win" any deal. they _earned_ their
> exclusivity by building the most rugged winch available that proved
> itself to the harshest criticism anywhere.
>
>
>
>>You have no idea what I personally
>>have seen, you aren't here.
>
>
> <sigh>....i should have known better than to contradict the great and
> powerful jerry (despite the validity of my statements). i should have
> known that your word somehow means more than US government signed
> appropriations. perhaps youre visiting a magical army that run warns
> on lifted TJs but jerry the facts will not change just because you said
> so. the US military standard is the mile marker hydraulic winch no
> matter how much you wish otherwise. i have not said that you wont see
> some electrics running around but theyre simply left over.
>
>
>
>>This isn't old Reserve equipment I'm seeing it on.
>
>
> i didnt say "Reserve" (as in Reserve/National Guard) equipment, i said
> "reserve" as in left over equipment.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
involved in government bidding activities for 25 years (multi-million
dollar supercomputers) and it's not just best quality that wins, final
cost is a key factor in additon to "can it do what we want it to do"..
Yes Milemarker "won" the bid, they weren't awarded it because some
bureaucrat decided Milemarker had the coolest winch and said something
stupid like 'cost is no object because I want Milemarker'. Those in the
know have always said that Milemarker bought that business with a lower
than a stand-alone profitable bid because they expected to make up for
it by added commercial sales from being able to advertise how they are
suppliers to the military. Ever notice how nearly every ad pushes the
military angle? They had to because Warn was cleaning their clock.
They sure achieved their goal of using the military angle to get people
on board with their product, and it saved the company whose sales were
lackluster at best at the time..
Jerry.
montanajeeper@aol.com wrote:
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>NO I'm not seeing stuff that was purchased before Milemarker won that
>
>
>>deal, this stuff is not that old.
>
>
> mile marker has been the exclusive winch provider to the US military
> for about 2 years. a 2 year old winch left over from before the
> hydraulic standard was set would not be "old".
>
> ....and mile marker didnt "win" any deal. they _earned_ their
> exclusivity by building the most rugged winch available that proved
> itself to the harshest criticism anywhere.
>
>
>
>>You have no idea what I personally
>>have seen, you aren't here.
>
>
> <sigh>....i should have known better than to contradict the great and
> powerful jerry (despite the validity of my statements). i should have
> known that your word somehow means more than US government signed
> appropriations. perhaps youre visiting a magical army that run warns
> on lifted TJs but jerry the facts will not change just because you said
> so. the US military standard is the mile marker hydraulic winch no
> matter how much you wish otherwise. i have not said that you wont see
> some electrics running around but theyre simply left over.
>
>
>
>>This isn't old Reserve equipment I'm seeing it on.
>
>
> i didnt say "Reserve" (as in Reserve/National Guard) equipment, i said
> "reserve" as in left over equipment.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
01-12-2005, 01:44 AM
#45
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: MileMarker PE8000
MM won the RFP/RFB by being the lowest-cost responsive bidder. I was
involved in government bidding activities for 25 years (multi-million
dollar supercomputers) and it's not just best quality that wins, final
cost is a key factor in additon to "can it do what we want it to do"..
Yes Milemarker "won" the bid, they weren't awarded it because some
bureaucrat decided Milemarker had the coolest winch and said something
stupid like 'cost is no object because I want Milemarker'. Those in the
know have always said that Milemarker bought that business with a lower
than a stand-alone profitable bid because they expected to make up for
it by added commercial sales from being able to advertise how they are
suppliers to the military. Ever notice how nearly every ad pushes the
military angle? They had to because Warn was cleaning their clock.
They sure achieved their goal of using the military angle to get people
on board with their product, and it saved the company whose sales were
lackluster at best at the time..
Jerry.
montanajeeper@aol.com wrote:
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>NO I'm not seeing stuff that was purchased before Milemarker won that
>
>
>>deal, this stuff is not that old.
>
>
> mile marker has been the exclusive winch provider to the US military
> for about 2 years. a 2 year old winch left over from before the
> hydraulic standard was set would not be "old".
>
> ....and mile marker didnt "win" any deal. they _earned_ their
> exclusivity by building the most rugged winch available that proved
> itself to the harshest criticism anywhere.
>
>
>
>>You have no idea what I personally
>>have seen, you aren't here.
>
>
> <sigh>....i should have known better than to contradict the great and
> powerful jerry (despite the validity of my statements). i should have
> known that your word somehow means more than US government signed
> appropriations. perhaps youre visiting a magical army that run warns
> on lifted TJs but jerry the facts will not change just because you said
> so. the US military standard is the mile marker hydraulic winch no
> matter how much you wish otherwise. i have not said that you wont see
> some electrics running around but theyre simply left over.
>
>
>
>>This isn't old Reserve equipment I'm seeing it on.
>
>
> i didnt say "Reserve" (as in Reserve/National Guard) equipment, i said
> "reserve" as in left over equipment.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
involved in government bidding activities for 25 years (multi-million
dollar supercomputers) and it's not just best quality that wins, final
cost is a key factor in additon to "can it do what we want it to do"..
Yes Milemarker "won" the bid, they weren't awarded it because some
bureaucrat decided Milemarker had the coolest winch and said something
stupid like 'cost is no object because I want Milemarker'. Those in the
know have always said that Milemarker bought that business with a lower
than a stand-alone profitable bid because they expected to make up for
it by added commercial sales from being able to advertise how they are
suppliers to the military. Ever notice how nearly every ad pushes the
military angle? They had to because Warn was cleaning their clock.
They sure achieved their goal of using the military angle to get people
on board with their product, and it saved the company whose sales were
lackluster at best at the time..
Jerry.
montanajeeper@aol.com wrote:
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>NO I'm not seeing stuff that was purchased before Milemarker won that
>
>
>>deal, this stuff is not that old.
>
>
> mile marker has been the exclusive winch provider to the US military
> for about 2 years. a 2 year old winch left over from before the
> hydraulic standard was set would not be "old".
>
> ....and mile marker didnt "win" any deal. they _earned_ their
> exclusivity by building the most rugged winch available that proved
> itself to the harshest criticism anywhere.
>
>
>
>>You have no idea what I personally
>>have seen, you aren't here.
>
>
> <sigh>....i should have known better than to contradict the great and
> powerful jerry (despite the validity of my statements). i should have
> known that your word somehow means more than US government signed
> appropriations. perhaps youre visiting a magical army that run warns
> on lifted TJs but jerry the facts will not change just because you said
> so. the US military standard is the mile marker hydraulic winch no
> matter how much you wish otherwise. i have not said that you wont see
> some electrics running around but theyre simply left over.
>
>
>
>>This isn't old Reserve equipment I'm seeing it on.
>
>
> i didnt say "Reserve" (as in Reserve/National Guard) equipment, i said
> "reserve" as in left over equipment.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
01-12-2005, 01:44 AM
#46
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: MileMarker PE8000
MM won the RFP/RFB by being the lowest-cost responsive bidder. I was
involved in government bidding activities for 25 years (multi-million
dollar supercomputers) and it's not just best quality that wins, final
cost is a key factor in additon to "can it do what we want it to do"..
Yes Milemarker "won" the bid, they weren't awarded it because some
bureaucrat decided Milemarker had the coolest winch and said something
stupid like 'cost is no object because I want Milemarker'. Those in the
know have always said that Milemarker bought that business with a lower
than a stand-alone profitable bid because they expected to make up for
it by added commercial sales from being able to advertise how they are
suppliers to the military. Ever notice how nearly every ad pushes the
military angle? They had to because Warn was cleaning their clock.
They sure achieved their goal of using the military angle to get people
on board with their product, and it saved the company whose sales were
lackluster at best at the time..
Jerry.
montanajeeper@aol.com wrote:
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>NO I'm not seeing stuff that was purchased before Milemarker won that
>
>
>>deal, this stuff is not that old.
>
>
> mile marker has been the exclusive winch provider to the US military
> for about 2 years. a 2 year old winch left over from before the
> hydraulic standard was set would not be "old".
>
> ....and mile marker didnt "win" any deal. they _earned_ their
> exclusivity by building the most rugged winch available that proved
> itself to the harshest criticism anywhere.
>
>
>
>>You have no idea what I personally
>>have seen, you aren't here.
>
>
> <sigh>....i should have known better than to contradict the great and
> powerful jerry (despite the validity of my statements). i should have
> known that your word somehow means more than US government signed
> appropriations. perhaps youre visiting a magical army that run warns
> on lifted TJs but jerry the facts will not change just because you said
> so. the US military standard is the mile marker hydraulic winch no
> matter how much you wish otherwise. i have not said that you wont see
> some electrics running around but theyre simply left over.
>
>
>
>>This isn't old Reserve equipment I'm seeing it on.
>
>
> i didnt say "Reserve" (as in Reserve/National Guard) equipment, i said
> "reserve" as in left over equipment.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
involved in government bidding activities for 25 years (multi-million
dollar supercomputers) and it's not just best quality that wins, final
cost is a key factor in additon to "can it do what we want it to do"..
Yes Milemarker "won" the bid, they weren't awarded it because some
bureaucrat decided Milemarker had the coolest winch and said something
stupid like 'cost is no object because I want Milemarker'. Those in the
know have always said that Milemarker bought that business with a lower
than a stand-alone profitable bid because they expected to make up for
it by added commercial sales from being able to advertise how they are
suppliers to the military. Ever notice how nearly every ad pushes the
military angle? They had to because Warn was cleaning their clock.
They sure achieved their goal of using the military angle to get people
on board with their product, and it saved the company whose sales were
lackluster at best at the time..
Jerry.
montanajeeper@aol.com wrote:
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>NO I'm not seeing stuff that was purchased before Milemarker won that
>
>
>>deal, this stuff is not that old.
>
>
> mile marker has been the exclusive winch provider to the US military
> for about 2 years. a 2 year old winch left over from before the
> hydraulic standard was set would not be "old".
>
> ....and mile marker didnt "win" any deal. they _earned_ their
> exclusivity by building the most rugged winch available that proved
> itself to the harshest criticism anywhere.
>
>
>
>>You have no idea what I personally
>>have seen, you aren't here.
>
>
> <sigh>....i should have known better than to contradict the great and
> powerful jerry (despite the validity of my statements). i should have
> known that your word somehow means more than US government signed
> appropriations. perhaps youre visiting a magical army that run warns
> on lifted TJs but jerry the facts will not change just because you said
> so. the US military standard is the mile marker hydraulic winch no
> matter how much you wish otherwise. i have not said that you wont see
> some electrics running around but theyre simply left over.
>
>
>
>>This isn't old Reserve equipment I'm seeing it on.
>
>
> i didnt say "Reserve" (as in Reserve/National Guard) equipment, i said
> "reserve" as in left over equipment.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
01-12-2005, 02:00 AM
#47
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Posts: n/a
Re: MileMarker PE8000
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> MM won the RFP/RFB by being the lowest-cost responsive bidder.
that opinion is ridiculous. the military accepts bids on units meeting
_specific_ criteria and for the sake of bidding, a hydraulic winch and
an electric winch arent comparable! the military first determined that
the hydraulic winch was superior for their uses before bidding was even
an issue.
> I was
> involved in government bidding activities for 25 years
then you should know what i said above is correct. using your logic
the military would be driving mini-vans because i promise they would be
cheaper than HMMWVs.
> Yes Milemarker "won" the bid
you didnt say "bid" before, you said they "won the deal" as if the
electric were even a consideration by the time bidding came. they
EARNED "the deal" after years of proving themselves the most rugged,
durable, and dependable winch available. jerry the bid has nothing to
do with the military going hydraulic! the military decided to go
hydraulic after several years of rigorous testing, comparing electric
to hydraulic. by the time bidding came around it was strictly for
hydraulic winches.
> they weren't awarded it because some
> bureaucrat decided Milemarker had the coolest winch
bottom line jerry, the electric winches were failing on amphibious
landings and the military needed something that would function EVERY
time. you can stomp your feet and get mad, but thats why they standard
was set.
> Ever notice how nearly every ad pushes the
> military angle?
<SNIP>
> it saved the company whose sales were
> lackluster at best at the time..
oh, you mean just like ****** did after ww2? ironic, huh? :-)
> MM won the RFP/RFB by being the lowest-cost responsive bidder.
that opinion is ridiculous. the military accepts bids on units meeting
_specific_ criteria and for the sake of bidding, a hydraulic winch and
an electric winch arent comparable! the military first determined that
the hydraulic winch was superior for their uses before bidding was even
an issue.
> I was
> involved in government bidding activities for 25 years
then you should know what i said above is correct. using your logic
the military would be driving mini-vans because i promise they would be
cheaper than HMMWVs.
> Yes Milemarker "won" the bid
you didnt say "bid" before, you said they "won the deal" as if the
electric were even a consideration by the time bidding came. they
EARNED "the deal" after years of proving themselves the most rugged,
durable, and dependable winch available. jerry the bid has nothing to
do with the military going hydraulic! the military decided to go
hydraulic after several years of rigorous testing, comparing electric
to hydraulic. by the time bidding came around it was strictly for
hydraulic winches.
> they weren't awarded it because some
> bureaucrat decided Milemarker had the coolest winch
bottom line jerry, the electric winches were failing on amphibious
landings and the military needed something that would function EVERY
time. you can stomp your feet and get mad, but thats why they standard
was set.
> Ever notice how nearly every ad pushes the
> military angle?
<SNIP>
> it saved the company whose sales were
> lackluster at best at the time..
oh, you mean just like ****** did after ww2? ironic, huh? :-)
01-12-2005, 02:00 AM
#48
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: MileMarker PE8000
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> MM won the RFP/RFB by being the lowest-cost responsive bidder.
that opinion is ridiculous. the military accepts bids on units meeting
_specific_ criteria and for the sake of bidding, a hydraulic winch and
an electric winch arent comparable! the military first determined that
the hydraulic winch was superior for their uses before bidding was even
an issue.
> I was
> involved in government bidding activities for 25 years
then you should know what i said above is correct. using your logic
the military would be driving mini-vans because i promise they would be
cheaper than HMMWVs.
> Yes Milemarker "won" the bid
you didnt say "bid" before, you said they "won the deal" as if the
electric were even a consideration by the time bidding came. they
EARNED "the deal" after years of proving themselves the most rugged,
durable, and dependable winch available. jerry the bid has nothing to
do with the military going hydraulic! the military decided to go
hydraulic after several years of rigorous testing, comparing electric
to hydraulic. by the time bidding came around it was strictly for
hydraulic winches.
> they weren't awarded it because some
> bureaucrat decided Milemarker had the coolest winch
bottom line jerry, the electric winches were failing on amphibious
landings and the military needed something that would function EVERY
time. you can stomp your feet and get mad, but thats why they standard
was set.
> Ever notice how nearly every ad pushes the
> military angle?
<SNIP>
> it saved the company whose sales were
> lackluster at best at the time..
oh, you mean just like ****** did after ww2? ironic, huh? :-)
> MM won the RFP/RFB by being the lowest-cost responsive bidder.
that opinion is ridiculous. the military accepts bids on units meeting
_specific_ criteria and for the sake of bidding, a hydraulic winch and
an electric winch arent comparable! the military first determined that
the hydraulic winch was superior for their uses before bidding was even
an issue.
> I was
> involved in government bidding activities for 25 years
then you should know what i said above is correct. using your logic
the military would be driving mini-vans because i promise they would be
cheaper than HMMWVs.
> Yes Milemarker "won" the bid
you didnt say "bid" before, you said they "won the deal" as if the
electric were even a consideration by the time bidding came. they
EARNED "the deal" after years of proving themselves the most rugged,
durable, and dependable winch available. jerry the bid has nothing to
do with the military going hydraulic! the military decided to go
hydraulic after several years of rigorous testing, comparing electric
to hydraulic. by the time bidding came around it was strictly for
hydraulic winches.
> they weren't awarded it because some
> bureaucrat decided Milemarker had the coolest winch
bottom line jerry, the electric winches were failing on amphibious
landings and the military needed something that would function EVERY
time. you can stomp your feet and get mad, but thats why they standard
was set.
> Ever notice how nearly every ad pushes the
> military angle?
<SNIP>
> it saved the company whose sales were
> lackluster at best at the time..
oh, you mean just like ****** did after ww2? ironic, huh? :-)
01-12-2005, 02:00 AM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: MileMarker PE8000
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> MM won the RFP/RFB by being the lowest-cost responsive bidder.
that opinion is ridiculous. the military accepts bids on units meeting
_specific_ criteria and for the sake of bidding, a hydraulic winch and
an electric winch arent comparable! the military first determined that
the hydraulic winch was superior for their uses before bidding was even
an issue.
> I was
> involved in government bidding activities for 25 years
then you should know what i said above is correct. using your logic
the military would be driving mini-vans because i promise they would be
cheaper than HMMWVs.
> Yes Milemarker "won" the bid
you didnt say "bid" before, you said they "won the deal" as if the
electric were even a consideration by the time bidding came. they
EARNED "the deal" after years of proving themselves the most rugged,
durable, and dependable winch available. jerry the bid has nothing to
do with the military going hydraulic! the military decided to go
hydraulic after several years of rigorous testing, comparing electric
to hydraulic. by the time bidding came around it was strictly for
hydraulic winches.
> they weren't awarded it because some
> bureaucrat decided Milemarker had the coolest winch
bottom line jerry, the electric winches were failing on amphibious
landings and the military needed something that would function EVERY
time. you can stomp your feet and get mad, but thats why they standard
was set.
> Ever notice how nearly every ad pushes the
> military angle?
<SNIP>
> it saved the company whose sales were
> lackluster at best at the time..
oh, you mean just like ****** did after ww2? ironic, huh? :-)
> MM won the RFP/RFB by being the lowest-cost responsive bidder.
that opinion is ridiculous. the military accepts bids on units meeting
_specific_ criteria and for the sake of bidding, a hydraulic winch and
an electric winch arent comparable! the military first determined that
the hydraulic winch was superior for their uses before bidding was even
an issue.
> I was
> involved in government bidding activities for 25 years
then you should know what i said above is correct. using your logic
the military would be driving mini-vans because i promise they would be
cheaper than HMMWVs.
> Yes Milemarker "won" the bid
you didnt say "bid" before, you said they "won the deal" as if the
electric were even a consideration by the time bidding came. they
EARNED "the deal" after years of proving themselves the most rugged,
durable, and dependable winch available. jerry the bid has nothing to
do with the military going hydraulic! the military decided to go
hydraulic after several years of rigorous testing, comparing electric
to hydraulic. by the time bidding came around it was strictly for
hydraulic winches.
> they weren't awarded it because some
> bureaucrat decided Milemarker had the coolest winch
bottom line jerry, the electric winches were failing on amphibious
landings and the military needed something that would function EVERY
time. you can stomp your feet and get mad, but thats why they standard
was set.
> Ever notice how nearly every ad pushes the
> military angle?
<SNIP>
> it saved the company whose sales were
> lackluster at best at the time..
oh, you mean just like ****** did after ww2? ironic, huh? :-)
01-12-2005, 02:06 AM
#50
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Re: MileMarker PE8000
I stated "designed and engineered here in the US"
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:IA0Fd.1238$_d4.982@fed1read05...
> -------- on them being "designed and manufacturered" in the US. Totally.
>
> Jerry
>
> Joe wrote:
> > Just wanted to know is if someone out there in cyber land has bought or
used
> > one of these winches. I called Milemarker today and yes Jerry, they are
> > built in China, but they are designed and engineered here in the US.
> > Milemarker also stated they are a big seller over in Europe and the
Spanish
> > military uses them. They decided to try the US since they are not a well
> > known name and decided to sell them for 4 bills instead of the retail
price
> > of 71/2 bills.
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:W9%Ed.992$_d4.343@fed1read05...
> >
> >>zipdog wrote:
> >>
> >>>built by the chinese, used by the US Military.
> >>
> >>No, you've got your facts wrong. Milemarker produces a US-built
> >>hydraulic winch that is used by the US military. They are not using,
> >>nor are many people using, the Chinese-built electric winch that
> >>Milemarker only sticks their name on.
> >>
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:twKEd.29463$232.12376@fed1read05...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>If you want to install a Chinese-built winch on your Jeep, go for it.
:)
> >>>>
> >>>>Jerry
> >>>>
> >>>>Joe wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Any thoughts on this winch. seems like a bargin at $399
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>Jerry Bransford
> >>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:IA0Fd.1238$_d4.982@fed1read05...
> -------- on them being "designed and manufacturered" in the US. Totally.
>
> Jerry
>
> Joe wrote:
> > Just wanted to know is if someone out there in cyber land has bought or
used
> > one of these winches. I called Milemarker today and yes Jerry, they are
> > built in China, but they are designed and engineered here in the US.
> > Milemarker also stated they are a big seller over in Europe and the
Spanish
> > military uses them. They decided to try the US since they are not a well
> > known name and decided to sell them for 4 bills instead of the retail
price
> > of 71/2 bills.
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:W9%Ed.992$_d4.343@fed1read05...
> >
> >>zipdog wrote:
> >>
> >>>built by the chinese, used by the US Military.
> >>
> >>No, you've got your facts wrong. Milemarker produces a US-built
> >>hydraulic winch that is used by the US military. They are not using,
> >>nor are many people using, the Chinese-built electric winch that
> >>Milemarker only sticks their name on.
> >>
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:twKEd.29463$232.12376@fed1read05...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>If you want to install a Chinese-built winch on your Jeep, go for it.
:)
> >>>>
> >>>>Jerry
> >>>>
> >>>>Joe wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Any thoughts on this winch. seems like a bargin at $399
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>Jerry Bransford
> >>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
