montanajeeper@aol.com wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
>>if your stuck with a electric winch and your
>>engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a
>
> winch
>
>>that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help
>
> out
>
> exactly. most people are running the single stock battery. even with
> a good dual battery setup your winching is limited if your engine is
> dead.

I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
situation?

Jerry



>
>
>
>>I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
>>of electric?
>
>
> there are few advantages to going electric over hydraulic:
>
> - the hook up is a little easier (although if you read my write up
> youll see that the hydraulic install isnt bad). to compare the two,
> here is where i installed an electric winch on my '00 tj
> http://tinyurl.com/6kv5b and here is where i installed a hydraulic
> winch on my '03 rubicon http://tinyurl.com/5x5fg
> - its easier to have a multi-mount set up if you go electric. they
> make multi-mount setups for hydraulic winches, but you loose a little
> fluid each time you unplug the hoses and you can introduce contaminents
> into the system if you unplug them in dirty conditions.
> - ive heard the argument that an advantage with electric is that if
> your jeep is upside down that your winch will run a little while on
> battery power to help right the jeep...but have you ever seen anyone
> try to right a jeep on its side/top with a front mounted winch? its
> nearly impossible anyway, and the attempt will most likely only cause
> further damage to the jeep.
>
> now i suppose it all boils down to preference.....either winch will
> solve your troubles most of the time and any winch is better than none.
> for my needs however, the hydraulic is the way to go.
>
> - when it comes to any real work the two arent comparable. the
> hydraulic can run at full capacity 24/7 and never requires rest/cool
> down. since it isnt over-rated to look better on paper, the hydraulic
> is perfectly at home at its full rated capacity.
> - the hydraulic is 100% waterproof and can run indefinately under
> water.
> - under full load the line speed on the hydraulic remains nearly the
> same.
> - no other upgrades are required for industrial duty winching. you
> install it and youre done...full rated capacity. with electric you at
> least need to upgrade your battery and would preferably run 2.
> - the hydraulic has a lot fewer points of failure.
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

montanajeeper@aol.com wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
>>if your stuck with a electric winch and your
>>engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a
>
> winch
>
>>that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help
>
> out
>
> exactly. most people are running the single stock battery. even with
> a good dual battery setup your winching is limited if your engine is
> dead.

I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
situation?

Jerry



>
>
>
>>I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
>>of electric?
>
>
> there are few advantages to going electric over hydraulic:
>
> - the hook up is a little easier (although if you read my write up
> youll see that the hydraulic install isnt bad). to compare the two,
> here is where i installed an electric winch on my '00 tj
> http://tinyurl.com/6kv5b and here is where i installed a hydraulic
> winch on my '03 rubicon http://tinyurl.com/5x5fg
> - its easier to have a multi-mount set up if you go electric. they
> make multi-mount setups for hydraulic winches, but you loose a little
> fluid each time you unplug the hoses and you can introduce contaminents
> into the system if you unplug them in dirty conditions.
> - ive heard the argument that an advantage with electric is that if
> your jeep is upside down that your winch will run a little while on
> battery power to help right the jeep...but have you ever seen anyone
> try to right a jeep on its side/top with a front mounted winch? its
> nearly impossible anyway, and the attempt will most likely only cause
> further damage to the jeep.
>
> now i suppose it all boils down to preference.....either winch will
> solve your troubles most of the time and any winch is better than none.
> for my needs however, the hydraulic is the way to go.
>
> - when it comes to any real work the two arent comparable. the
> hydraulic can run at full capacity 24/7 and never requires rest/cool
> down. since it isnt over-rated to look better on paper, the hydraulic
> is perfectly at home at its full rated capacity.
> - the hydraulic is 100% waterproof and can run indefinately under
> water.
> - under full load the line speed on the hydraulic remains nearly the
> same.
> - no other upgrades are required for industrial duty winching. you
> install it and youre done...full rated capacity. with electric you at
> least need to upgrade your battery and would preferably run 2.
> - the hydraulic has a lot fewer points of failure.
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

It takes four hundred amps to initiate an American V8 starter:
http://www.boatfix.com/how/Ele3.html Look at the size of your cables in
comparison to your starter's, for a cue. Under a load, how long do you
think you may use your winch before your battery's voltage is low enough
to cook the motor? My guess would be about fifteen seconds unassisted,
before your motor turn to junk.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
> rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
> tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
> battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
> does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
> us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
> situation?
>
> Jerry

 

It takes four hundred amps to initiate an American V8 starter:
http://www.boatfix.com/how/Ele3.html Look at the size of your cables in
comparison to your starter's, for a cue. Under a load, how long do you
think you may use your winch before your battery's voltage is low enough
to cook the motor? My guess would be about fifteen seconds unassisted,
before your motor turn to junk.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
> rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
> tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
> battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
> does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
> us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
> situation?
>
> Jerry

 

It takes four hundred amps to initiate an American V8 starter:
http://www.boatfix.com/how/Ele3.html Look at the size of your cables in
comparison to your starter's, for a cue. Under a load, how long do you
think you may use your winch before your battery's voltage is low enough
to cook the motor? My guess would be about fifteen seconds unassisted,
before your motor turn to junk.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
> rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
> tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
> battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
> does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
> us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
> situation?
>
> Jerry

 

Bill, just stay out of this as it's clear by what you said that you
don't have a clue on what a winch draws in typical usage. And a typical
V8 starter doesn't draw 400 amperes. Leave the electrical stuff alone
Bill, you're out of your element.

Jerry

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> It takes four hundred amps to initiate an American V8 starter:
> http://www.boatfix.com/how/Ele3.html Look at the size of your cables in
> comparison to your starter's, for a cue. Under a load, how long do you
> think you may use your winch before your battery's voltage is low enough
> to cook the motor? My guess would be about fifteen seconds unassisted,
> before your motor turn to junk.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
>>rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
>>tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
>>battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
>>does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
>>us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
>>situation?
>>
>>Jerry

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

Bill, just stay out of this as it's clear by what you said that you
don't have a clue on what a winch draws in typical usage. And a typical
V8 starter doesn't draw 400 amperes. Leave the electrical stuff alone
Bill, you're out of your element.

Jerry

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> It takes four hundred amps to initiate an American V8 starter:
> http://www.boatfix.com/how/Ele3.html Look at the size of your cables in
> comparison to your starter's, for a cue. Under a load, how long do you
> think you may use your winch before your battery's voltage is low enough
> to cook the motor? My guess would be about fifteen seconds unassisted,
> before your motor turn to junk.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
>>rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
>>tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
>>battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
>>does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
>>us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
>>situation?
>>
>>Jerry

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

Bill, just stay out of this as it's clear by what you said that you
don't have a clue on what a winch draws in typical usage. And a typical
V8 starter doesn't draw 400 amperes. Leave the electrical stuff alone
Bill, you're out of your element.

Jerry

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> It takes four hundred amps to initiate an American V8 starter:
> http://www.boatfix.com/how/Ele3.html Look at the size of your cables in
> comparison to your starter's, for a cue. Under a load, how long do you
> think you may use your winch before your battery's voltage is low enough
> to cook the motor? My guess would be about fifteen seconds unassisted,
> before your motor turn to junk.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
>>rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
>>tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
>>battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
>>does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
>>us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
>>situation?
>>
>>Jerry

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

I should say that a typical starter for a V8 doesn't usually draw 400
amperes, though a high-compression V8 used in racing might cause it to
'momentarily' draw upwards of that amount. Not germain to the
discussion at hand anyway.

Jerry

Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Bill, just stay out of this as it's clear by what you said that you
> don't have a clue on what a winch draws in typical usage. And a typical
> V8 starter doesn't draw 400 amperes. Leave the electrical stuff alone
> Bill, you're out of your element.
>
> Jerry
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> It takes four hundred amps to initiate an American V8 starter:
>> http://www.boatfix.com/how/Ele3.html Look at the size of your cables in
>> comparison to your starter's, for a cue. Under a load, how long do you
>> think you may use your winch before your battery's voltage is low enough
>> to cook the motor? My guess would be about fifteen seconds unassisted,
>> before your motor turn to junk. God Bless America, ßill
>> O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>> I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
>>> rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
>>> tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
>>> battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
>>> does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
>>> us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
>>> situation?
>>>
>>> Jerry
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

I should say that a typical starter for a V8 doesn't usually draw 400
amperes, though a high-compression V8 used in racing might cause it to
'momentarily' draw upwards of that amount. Not germain to the
discussion at hand anyway.

Jerry

Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Bill, just stay out of this as it's clear by what you said that you
> don't have a clue on what a winch draws in typical usage. And a typical
> V8 starter doesn't draw 400 amperes. Leave the electrical stuff alone
> Bill, you're out of your element.
>
> Jerry
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> It takes four hundred amps to initiate an American V8 starter:
>> http://www.boatfix.com/how/Ele3.html Look at the size of your cables in
>> comparison to your starter's, for a cue. Under a load, how long do you
>> think you may use your winch before your battery's voltage is low enough
>> to cook the motor? My guess would be about fifteen seconds unassisted,
>> before your motor turn to junk. God Bless America, ßill
>> O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>> I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
>>> rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
>>> tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
>>> battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
>>> does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
>>> us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
>>> situation?
>>>
>>> Jerry
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/