MileMarker PE8000
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Re: MileMarker PE8000
Real Jeeps use Power Take Offs.
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Joe wrote:
>
> OK, I'll take the argument that if your engine is dead, so is your
> hydraulic winch. .then tell me, if your stuck with a electric winch and your
> engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a winch
> that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help out.
> Every time my trail buddies used their warns they had to rev the crap out of
> their engines. These were long pulls and soon after one Jeep had it's check
> engine light came on. then your stuck with engine problems and a dead
> battery. I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
> of electric?
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Joe wrote:
>
> OK, I'll take the argument that if your engine is dead, so is your
> hydraulic winch. .then tell me, if your stuck with a electric winch and your
> engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a winch
> that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help out.
> Every time my trail buddies used their warns they had to rev the crap out of
> their engines. These were long pulls and soon after one Jeep had it's check
> engine light came on. then your stuck with engine problems and a dead
> battery. I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
> of electric?
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Re: MileMarker PE8000
Real Jeeps use Power Take Offs.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Joe wrote:
>
> OK, I'll take the argument that if your engine is dead, so is your
> hydraulic winch. .then tell me, if your stuck with a electric winch and your
> engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a winch
> that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help out.
> Every time my trail buddies used their warns they had to rev the crap out of
> their engines. These were long pulls and soon after one Jeep had it's check
> engine light came on. then your stuck with engine problems and a dead
> battery. I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
> of electric?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Joe wrote:
>
> OK, I'll take the argument that if your engine is dead, so is your
> hydraulic winch. .then tell me, if your stuck with a electric winch and your
> engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a winch
> that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help out.
> Every time my trail buddies used their warns they had to rev the crap out of
> their engines. These were long pulls and soon after one Jeep had it's check
> engine light came on. then your stuck with engine problems and a dead
> battery. I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
> of electric?
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Re: MileMarker PE8000
Real Jeeps use Power Take Offs.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Joe wrote:
>
> OK, I'll take the argument that if your engine is dead, so is your
> hydraulic winch. .then tell me, if your stuck with a electric winch and your
> engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a winch
> that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help out.
> Every time my trail buddies used their warns they had to rev the crap out of
> their engines. These were long pulls and soon after one Jeep had it's check
> engine light came on. then your stuck with engine problems and a dead
> battery. I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
> of electric?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Joe wrote:
>
> OK, I'll take the argument that if your engine is dead, so is your
> hydraulic winch. .then tell me, if your stuck with a electric winch and your
> engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a winch
> that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help out.
> Every time my trail buddies used their warns they had to rev the crap out of
> their engines. These were long pulls and soon after one Jeep had it's check
> engine light came on. then your stuck with engine problems and a dead
> battery. I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
> of electric?
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Re: MileMarker PE8000
Greg wrote:
> Although the prices of the winches aren't bad, when you add on the
> hydrolic addaptor kit of between $249.00 to $429.00 it brings the
price up
> to a warn.
what are you talking about? the hydraulic adapter kit for my TJ was
$49. the hydraulic adapter kit for my '04.5 dodge cummins was $49.
> Although the prices of the winches aren't bad, when you add on the
> hydrolic addaptor kit of between $249.00 to $429.00 it brings the
price up
> to a warn.
what are you talking about? the hydraulic adapter kit for my TJ was
$49. the hydraulic adapter kit for my '04.5 dodge cummins was $49.
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Re: MileMarker PE8000
Greg wrote:
> Although the prices of the winches aren't bad, when you add on the
> hydrolic addaptor kit of between $249.00 to $429.00 it brings the
price up
> to a warn.
what are you talking about? the hydraulic adapter kit for my TJ was
$49. the hydraulic adapter kit for my '04.5 dodge cummins was $49.
> Although the prices of the winches aren't bad, when you add on the
> hydrolic addaptor kit of between $249.00 to $429.00 it brings the
price up
> to a warn.
what are you talking about? the hydraulic adapter kit for my TJ was
$49. the hydraulic adapter kit for my '04.5 dodge cummins was $49.
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Re: MileMarker PE8000
Greg wrote:
> Although the prices of the winches aren't bad, when you add on the
> hydrolic addaptor kit of between $249.00 to $429.00 it brings the
price up
> to a warn.
what are you talking about? the hydraulic adapter kit for my TJ was
$49. the hydraulic adapter kit for my '04.5 dodge cummins was $49.
> Although the prices of the winches aren't bad, when you add on the
> hydrolic addaptor kit of between $249.00 to $429.00 it brings the
price up
> to a warn.
what are you talking about? the hydraulic adapter kit for my TJ was
$49. the hydraulic adapter kit for my '04.5 dodge cummins was $49.
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Re: MileMarker PE8000
Joe wrote:
> if your stuck with a electric winch and your
> engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a
winch
> that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help
out
exactly. most people are running the single stock battery. even with
a good dual battery setup your winching is limited if your engine is
dead.
> I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
> of electric?
there are few advantages to going electric over hydraulic:
- the hook up is a little easier (although if you read my write up
youll see that the hydraulic install isnt bad). to compare the two,
here is where i installed an electric winch on my '00 tj
http://tinyurl.com/6kv5b and here is where i installed a hydraulic
winch on my '03 rubicon http://tinyurl.com/5x5fg
- its easier to have a multi-mount set up if you go electric. they
make multi-mount setups for hydraulic winches, but you loose a little
fluid each time you unplug the hoses and you can introduce contaminents
into the system if you unplug them in dirty conditions.
- ive heard the argument that an advantage with electric is that if
your jeep is upside down that your winch will run a little while on
battery power to help right the jeep...but have you ever seen anyone
try to right a jeep on its side/top with a front mounted winch? its
nearly impossible anyway, and the attempt will most likely only cause
further damage to the jeep.
now i suppose it all boils down to preference.....either winch will
solve your troubles most of the time and any winch is better than none.
for my needs however, the hydraulic is the way to go.
- when it comes to any real work the two arent comparable. the
hydraulic can run at full capacity 24/7 and never requires rest/cool
down. since it isnt over-rated to look better on paper, the hydraulic
is perfectly at home at its full rated capacity.
- the hydraulic is 100% waterproof and can run indefinately under
water.
- under full load the line speed on the hydraulic remains nearly the
same.
- no other upgrades are required for industrial duty winching. you
install it and youre done...full rated capacity. with electric you at
least need to upgrade your battery and would preferably run 2.
- the hydraulic has a lot fewer points of failure.
> if your stuck with a electric winch and your
> engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a
winch
> that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help
out
exactly. most people are running the single stock battery. even with
a good dual battery setup your winching is limited if your engine is
dead.
> I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
> of electric?
there are few advantages to going electric over hydraulic:
- the hook up is a little easier (although if you read my write up
youll see that the hydraulic install isnt bad). to compare the two,
here is where i installed an electric winch on my '00 tj
http://tinyurl.com/6kv5b and here is where i installed a hydraulic
winch on my '03 rubicon http://tinyurl.com/5x5fg
- its easier to have a multi-mount set up if you go electric. they
make multi-mount setups for hydraulic winches, but you loose a little
fluid each time you unplug the hoses and you can introduce contaminents
into the system if you unplug them in dirty conditions.
- ive heard the argument that an advantage with electric is that if
your jeep is upside down that your winch will run a little while on
battery power to help right the jeep...but have you ever seen anyone
try to right a jeep on its side/top with a front mounted winch? its
nearly impossible anyway, and the attempt will most likely only cause
further damage to the jeep.
now i suppose it all boils down to preference.....either winch will
solve your troubles most of the time and any winch is better than none.
for my needs however, the hydraulic is the way to go.
- when it comes to any real work the two arent comparable. the
hydraulic can run at full capacity 24/7 and never requires rest/cool
down. since it isnt over-rated to look better on paper, the hydraulic
is perfectly at home at its full rated capacity.
- the hydraulic is 100% waterproof and can run indefinately under
water.
- under full load the line speed on the hydraulic remains nearly the
same.
- no other upgrades are required for industrial duty winching. you
install it and youre done...full rated capacity. with electric you at
least need to upgrade your battery and would preferably run 2.
- the hydraulic has a lot fewer points of failure.
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Re: MileMarker PE8000
Joe wrote:
> if your stuck with a electric winch and your
> engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a
winch
> that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help
out
exactly. most people are running the single stock battery. even with
a good dual battery setup your winching is limited if your engine is
dead.
> I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
> of electric?
there are few advantages to going electric over hydraulic:
- the hook up is a little easier (although if you read my write up
youll see that the hydraulic install isnt bad). to compare the two,
here is where i installed an electric winch on my '00 tj
http://tinyurl.com/6kv5b and here is where i installed a hydraulic
winch on my '03 rubicon http://tinyurl.com/5x5fg
- its easier to have a multi-mount set up if you go electric. they
make multi-mount setups for hydraulic winches, but you loose a little
fluid each time you unplug the hoses and you can introduce contaminents
into the system if you unplug them in dirty conditions.
- ive heard the argument that an advantage with electric is that if
your jeep is upside down that your winch will run a little while on
battery power to help right the jeep...but have you ever seen anyone
try to right a jeep on its side/top with a front mounted winch? its
nearly impossible anyway, and the attempt will most likely only cause
further damage to the jeep.
now i suppose it all boils down to preference.....either winch will
solve your troubles most of the time and any winch is better than none.
for my needs however, the hydraulic is the way to go.
- when it comes to any real work the two arent comparable. the
hydraulic can run at full capacity 24/7 and never requires rest/cool
down. since it isnt over-rated to look better on paper, the hydraulic
is perfectly at home at its full rated capacity.
- the hydraulic is 100% waterproof and can run indefinately under
water.
- under full load the line speed on the hydraulic remains nearly the
same.
- no other upgrades are required for industrial duty winching. you
install it and youre done...full rated capacity. with electric you at
least need to upgrade your battery and would preferably run 2.
- the hydraulic has a lot fewer points of failure.
> if your stuck with a electric winch and your
> engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a
winch
> that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help
out
exactly. most people are running the single stock battery. even with
a good dual battery setup your winching is limited if your engine is
dead.
> I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
> of electric?
there are few advantages to going electric over hydraulic:
- the hook up is a little easier (although if you read my write up
youll see that the hydraulic install isnt bad). to compare the two,
here is where i installed an electric winch on my '00 tj
http://tinyurl.com/6kv5b and here is where i installed a hydraulic
winch on my '03 rubicon http://tinyurl.com/5x5fg
- its easier to have a multi-mount set up if you go electric. they
make multi-mount setups for hydraulic winches, but you loose a little
fluid each time you unplug the hoses and you can introduce contaminents
into the system if you unplug them in dirty conditions.
- ive heard the argument that an advantage with electric is that if
your jeep is upside down that your winch will run a little while on
battery power to help right the jeep...but have you ever seen anyone
try to right a jeep on its side/top with a front mounted winch? its
nearly impossible anyway, and the attempt will most likely only cause
further damage to the jeep.
now i suppose it all boils down to preference.....either winch will
solve your troubles most of the time and any winch is better than none.
for my needs however, the hydraulic is the way to go.
- when it comes to any real work the two arent comparable. the
hydraulic can run at full capacity 24/7 and never requires rest/cool
down. since it isnt over-rated to look better on paper, the hydraulic
is perfectly at home at its full rated capacity.
- the hydraulic is 100% waterproof and can run indefinately under
water.
- under full load the line speed on the hydraulic remains nearly the
same.
- no other upgrades are required for industrial duty winching. you
install it and youre done...full rated capacity. with electric you at
least need to upgrade your battery and would preferably run 2.
- the hydraulic has a lot fewer points of failure.
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Re: MileMarker PE8000
Joe wrote:
> if your stuck with a electric winch and your
> engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a
winch
> that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help
out
exactly. most people are running the single stock battery. even with
a good dual battery setup your winching is limited if your engine is
dead.
> I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
> of electric?
there are few advantages to going electric over hydraulic:
- the hook up is a little easier (although if you read my write up
youll see that the hydraulic install isnt bad). to compare the two,
here is where i installed an electric winch on my '00 tj
http://tinyurl.com/6kv5b and here is where i installed a hydraulic
winch on my '03 rubicon http://tinyurl.com/5x5fg
- its easier to have a multi-mount set up if you go electric. they
make multi-mount setups for hydraulic winches, but you loose a little
fluid each time you unplug the hoses and you can introduce contaminents
into the system if you unplug them in dirty conditions.
- ive heard the argument that an advantage with electric is that if
your jeep is upside down that your winch will run a little while on
battery power to help right the jeep...but have you ever seen anyone
try to right a jeep on its side/top with a front mounted winch? its
nearly impossible anyway, and the attempt will most likely only cause
further damage to the jeep.
now i suppose it all boils down to preference.....either winch will
solve your troubles most of the time and any winch is better than none.
for my needs however, the hydraulic is the way to go.
- when it comes to any real work the two arent comparable. the
hydraulic can run at full capacity 24/7 and never requires rest/cool
down. since it isnt over-rated to look better on paper, the hydraulic
is perfectly at home at its full rated capacity.
- the hydraulic is 100% waterproof and can run indefinately under
water.
- under full load the line speed on the hydraulic remains nearly the
same.
- no other upgrades are required for industrial duty winching. you
install it and youre done...full rated capacity. with electric you at
least need to upgrade your battery and would preferably run 2.
- the hydraulic has a lot fewer points of failure.
> if your stuck with a electric winch and your
> engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a
winch
> that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help
out
exactly. most people are running the single stock battery. even with
a good dual battery setup your winching is limited if your engine is
dead.
> I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
> of electric?
there are few advantages to going electric over hydraulic:
- the hook up is a little easier (although if you read my write up
youll see that the hydraulic install isnt bad). to compare the two,
here is where i installed an electric winch on my '00 tj
http://tinyurl.com/6kv5b and here is where i installed a hydraulic
winch on my '03 rubicon http://tinyurl.com/5x5fg
- its easier to have a multi-mount set up if you go electric. they
make multi-mount setups for hydraulic winches, but you loose a little
fluid each time you unplug the hoses and you can introduce contaminents
into the system if you unplug them in dirty conditions.
- ive heard the argument that an advantage with electric is that if
your jeep is upside down that your winch will run a little while on
battery power to help right the jeep...but have you ever seen anyone
try to right a jeep on its side/top with a front mounted winch? its
nearly impossible anyway, and the attempt will most likely only cause
further damage to the jeep.
now i suppose it all boils down to preference.....either winch will
solve your troubles most of the time and any winch is better than none.
for my needs however, the hydraulic is the way to go.
- when it comes to any real work the two arent comparable. the
hydraulic can run at full capacity 24/7 and never requires rest/cool
down. since it isnt over-rated to look better on paper, the hydraulic
is perfectly at home at its full rated capacity.
- the hydraulic is 100% waterproof and can run indefinately under
water.
- under full load the line speed on the hydraulic remains nearly the
same.
- no other upgrades are required for industrial duty winching. you
install it and youre done...full rated capacity. with electric you at
least need to upgrade your battery and would preferably run 2.
- the hydraulic has a lot fewer points of failure.
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Re: MileMarker PE8000
montanajeeper@aol.com wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
>>if your stuck with a electric winch and your
>>engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a
>
> winch
>
>>that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help
>
> out
>
> exactly. most people are running the single stock battery. even with
> a good dual battery setup your winching is limited if your engine is
> dead.
I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
situation?
Jerry
>
>
>
>>I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
>>of electric?
>
>
> there are few advantages to going electric over hydraulic:
>
> - the hook up is a little easier (although if you read my write up
> youll see that the hydraulic install isnt bad). to compare the two,
> here is where i installed an electric winch on my '00 tj
> http://tinyurl.com/6kv5b and here is where i installed a hydraulic
> winch on my '03 rubicon http://tinyurl.com/5x5fg
> - its easier to have a multi-mount set up if you go electric. they
> make multi-mount setups for hydraulic winches, but you loose a little
> fluid each time you unplug the hoses and you can introduce contaminents
> into the system if you unplug them in dirty conditions.
> - ive heard the argument that an advantage with electric is that if
> your jeep is upside down that your winch will run a little while on
> battery power to help right the jeep...but have you ever seen anyone
> try to right a jeep on its side/top with a front mounted winch? its
> nearly impossible anyway, and the attempt will most likely only cause
> further damage to the jeep.
>
> now i suppose it all boils down to preference.....either winch will
> solve your troubles most of the time and any winch is better than none.
> for my needs however, the hydraulic is the way to go.
>
> - when it comes to any real work the two arent comparable. the
> hydraulic can run at full capacity 24/7 and never requires rest/cool
> down. since it isnt over-rated to look better on paper, the hydraulic
> is perfectly at home at its full rated capacity.
> - the hydraulic is 100% waterproof and can run indefinately under
> water.
> - under full load the line speed on the hydraulic remains nearly the
> same.
> - no other upgrades are required for industrial duty winching. you
> install it and youre done...full rated capacity. with electric you at
> least need to upgrade your battery and would preferably run 2.
> - the hydraulic has a lot fewer points of failure.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> Joe wrote:
>
>>if your stuck with a electric winch and your
>>engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a
>
> winch
>
>>that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help
>
> out
>
> exactly. most people are running the single stock battery. even with
> a good dual battery setup your winching is limited if your engine is
> dead.
I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
situation?
Jerry
>
>
>
>>I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
>>of electric?
>
>
> there are few advantages to going electric over hydraulic:
>
> - the hook up is a little easier (although if you read my write up
> youll see that the hydraulic install isnt bad). to compare the two,
> here is where i installed an electric winch on my '00 tj
> http://tinyurl.com/6kv5b and here is where i installed a hydraulic
> winch on my '03 rubicon http://tinyurl.com/5x5fg
> - its easier to have a multi-mount set up if you go electric. they
> make multi-mount setups for hydraulic winches, but you loose a little
> fluid each time you unplug the hoses and you can introduce contaminents
> into the system if you unplug them in dirty conditions.
> - ive heard the argument that an advantage with electric is that if
> your jeep is upside down that your winch will run a little while on
> battery power to help right the jeep...but have you ever seen anyone
> try to right a jeep on its side/top with a front mounted winch? its
> nearly impossible anyway, and the attempt will most likely only cause
> further damage to the jeep.
>
> now i suppose it all boils down to preference.....either winch will
> solve your troubles most of the time and any winch is better than none.
> for my needs however, the hydraulic is the way to go.
>
> - when it comes to any real work the two arent comparable. the
> hydraulic can run at full capacity 24/7 and never requires rest/cool
> down. since it isnt over-rated to look better on paper, the hydraulic
> is perfectly at home at its full rated capacity.
> - the hydraulic is 100% waterproof and can run indefinately under
> water.
> - under full load the line speed on the hydraulic remains nearly the
> same.
> - no other upgrades are required for industrial duty winching. you
> install it and youre done...full rated capacity. with electric you at
> least need to upgrade your battery and would preferably run 2.
> - the hydraulic has a lot fewer points of failure.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/