aGraham

I was very surprised a few weeks ago when I had the local Wally World
put new tires on the wifes ZJ and saw the final inspection by the
manager included checking the lug nut torque. Does not mean that they
did not over-torque but atleast they made sure they were tight.


In article <1uqdnYsnyZg3gFjenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:

> If they are all in the same town I'm guessing the same shop worked on all
> three vehicles.
>
> Years ago I had some brake work done, driving home and I heard a popping
> noise. Pried off the hubcap and one of the lugnuts fell on the ground, it
> was boucing around like a pair of tennis shoes in a dryer while I was
> driving. Now I always double-check my lugnut torque if anyone besides me
> removes the wheels. You'd think every shop would take the extra two minutes
> to make sure they attach the wheels correctly, but the world is full of
> stupid people...
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-dQ0dd4OwwKPB@anon.none.net...
> > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:41:12 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:
> >
> > I can recall at least three separate occasions over the last dozen
> > years in this town alone where a lost wheel on the freeway resulted in
> > fatal injuries to occupants of oncoming cars and numerous demolition
> > derbies iniitiated by the same villian. Loose wheels just don't seem
> > funny to me anymore - although the look on the face of your girl's
> > father was probably well worth a picture! "But Dad, here I was and
> > .."
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>

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aGraham

I was very surprised a few weeks ago when I had the local Wally World
put new tires on the wifes ZJ and saw the final inspection by the
manager included checking the lug nut torque. Does not mean that they
did not over-torque but atleast they made sure they were tight.


In article <1uqdnYsnyZg3gFjenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:

> If they are all in the same town I'm guessing the same shop worked on all
> three vehicles.
>
> Years ago I had some brake work done, driving home and I heard a popping
> noise. Pried off the hubcap and one of the lugnuts fell on the ground, it
> was boucing around like a pair of tennis shoes in a dryer while I was
> driving. Now I always double-check my lugnut torque if anyone besides me
> removes the wheels. You'd think every shop would take the extra two minutes
> to make sure they attach the wheels correctly, but the world is full of
> stupid people...
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-dQ0dd4OwwKPB@anon.none.net...
> > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:41:12 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:
> >
> > I can recall at least three separate occasions over the last dozen
> > years in this town alone where a lost wheel on the freeway resulted in
> > fatal injuries to occupants of oncoming cars and numerous demolition
> > derbies iniitiated by the same villian. Loose wheels just don't seem
> > funny to me anymore - although the look on the face of your girl's
> > father was probably well worth a picture! "But Dad, here I was and
> > .."
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>

--
o_o_o_o
/| ,[_____],
|ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)

aGraham

I was very surprised a few weeks ago when I had the local Wally World
put new tires on the wifes ZJ and saw the final inspection by the
manager included checking the lug nut torque. Does not mean that they
did not over-torque but atleast they made sure they were tight.


In article <1uqdnYsnyZg3gFjenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:

> If they are all in the same town I'm guessing the same shop worked on all
> three vehicles.
>
> Years ago I had some brake work done, driving home and I heard a popping
> noise. Pried off the hubcap and one of the lugnuts fell on the ground, it
> was boucing around like a pair of tennis shoes in a dryer while I was
> driving. Now I always double-check my lugnut torque if anyone besides me
> removes the wheels. You'd think every shop would take the extra two minutes
> to make sure they attach the wheels correctly, but the world is full of
> stupid people...
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-dQ0dd4OwwKPB@anon.none.net...
> > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:41:12 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:
> >
> > I can recall at least three separate occasions over the last dozen
> > years in this town alone where a lost wheel on the freeway resulted in
> > fatal injuries to occupants of oncoming cars and numerous demolition
> > derbies iniitiated by the same villian. Loose wheels just don't seem
> > funny to me anymore - although the look on the face of your girl's
> > father was probably well worth a picture! "But Dad, here I was and
> > .."
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>

--
o_o_o_o
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|ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)

Lee Ayrton

Will Honea wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:41:12 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>[snip]
>>
>>Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
>>loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
>>we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
>>looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
>>street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
>>or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
>>the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
>>
>>Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
>>middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the
>>ground where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile
>>from where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops
>>had a good laugh about it.
>
>
> I can recall at least three separate occasions over the last dozen
> years in this town alone where a lost wheel on the freeway resulted in
> fatal injuries to occupants of oncoming cars and numerous demolition
> derbies iniitiated by the same villian. Loose wheels just don't seem
> funny to me anymore - although the look on the face of your girl's
> father was probably well worth a picture! "But Dad, here I was and
> ..."

Googling informs me that passenger vehicle wheel separation stats in the
USofA are not collected, but that for commercial trucks the rate is in
the range of 750 to 1050 out of about 350,000 truck accidents a year.
That's a tiny number when compared to annual truck miles driven, but I'd
still prefer to not be part of the on-coming traffic when a wheel
separates from a vehicle at speed.

Lee Ayrton

Will Honea wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:41:12 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>[snip]
>>
>>Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
>>loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
>>we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
>>looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
>>street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
>>or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
>>the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
>>
>>Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
>>middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the
>>ground where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile
>>from where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops
>>had a good laugh about it.
>
>
> I can recall at least three separate occasions over the last dozen
> years in this town alone where a lost wheel on the freeway resulted in
> fatal injuries to occupants of oncoming cars and numerous demolition
> derbies iniitiated by the same villian. Loose wheels just don't seem
> funny to me anymore - although the look on the face of your girl's
> father was probably well worth a picture! "But Dad, here I was and
> ..."

Googling informs me that passenger vehicle wheel separation stats in the
USofA are not collected, but that for commercial trucks the rate is in
the range of 750 to 1050 out of about 350,000 truck accidents a year.
That's a tiny number when compared to annual truck miles driven, but I'd
still prefer to not be part of the on-coming traffic when a wheel
separates from a vehicle at speed.

Lee Ayrton

Will Honea wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:41:12 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>[snip]
>>
>>Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
>>loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
>>we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
>>looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
>>street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
>>or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
>>the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
>>
>>Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
>>middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the
>>ground where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile
>>from where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops
>>had a good laugh about it.
>
>
> I can recall at least three separate occasions over the last dozen
> years in this town alone where a lost wheel on the freeway resulted in
> fatal injuries to occupants of oncoming cars and numerous demolition
> derbies iniitiated by the same villian. Loose wheels just don't seem
> funny to me anymore - although the look on the face of your girl's
> father was probably well worth a picture! "But Dad, here I was and
> ..."

Googling informs me that passenger vehicle wheel separation stats in the
USofA are not collected, but that for commercial trucks the rate is in
the range of 750 to 1050 out of about 350,000 truck accidents a year.
That's a tiny number when compared to annual truck miles driven, but I'd
still prefer to not be part of the on-coming traffic when a wheel
separates from a vehicle at speed.

Spdloader

The Fed doesn't track it, but I promise, individual companies do, ie. Midas,
Meineke, Monro, etc. In terms of liability and dollars lost.

Spdloader



"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dq3g50$j2c$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Will Honea wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:41:12 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
>>>loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
>>>we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
>>>looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
>>>street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
>>>or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
>>>the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
>>>
>>>Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
>>>middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the ground
>>>where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile from
>>>where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops had a
>>>good laugh about it.
>>
>>
>> I can recall at least three separate occasions over the last dozen years
>> in this town alone where a lost wheel on the freeway resulted in
>> fatal injuries to occupants of oncoming cars and numerous demolition
>> derbies iniitiated by the same villian. Loose wheels just don't seem
>> funny to me anymore - although the look on the face of your girl's father
>> was probably well worth a picture! "But Dad, here I was and ..."
>
> Googling informs me that passenger vehicle wheel separation stats in the
> USofA are not collected, but that for commercial trucks the rate is in the
> range of 750 to 1050 out of about 350,000 truck accidents a year. That's a
> tiny number when compared to annual truck miles driven, but I'd still
> prefer to not be part of the on-coming traffic when a wheel separates from
> a vehicle at speed.
>
>

Spdloader

The Fed doesn't track it, but I promise, individual companies do, ie. Midas,
Meineke, Monro, etc. In terms of liability and dollars lost.

Spdloader



"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dq3g50$j2c$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Will Honea wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:41:12 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
>>>loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
>>>we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
>>>looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
>>>street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
>>>or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
>>>the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
>>>
>>>Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
>>>middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the ground
>>>where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile from
>>>where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops had a
>>>good laugh about it.
>>
>>
>> I can recall at least three separate occasions over the last dozen years
>> in this town alone where a lost wheel on the freeway resulted in
>> fatal injuries to occupants of oncoming cars and numerous demolition
>> derbies iniitiated by the same villian. Loose wheels just don't seem
>> funny to me anymore - although the look on the face of your girl's father
>> was probably well worth a picture! "But Dad, here I was and ..."
>
> Googling informs me that passenger vehicle wheel separation stats in the
> USofA are not collected, but that for commercial trucks the rate is in the
> range of 750 to 1050 out of about 350,000 truck accidents a year. That's a
> tiny number when compared to annual truck miles driven, but I'd still
> prefer to not be part of the on-coming traffic when a wheel separates from
> a vehicle at speed.
>
>

Spdloader

The Fed doesn't track it, but I promise, individual companies do, ie. Midas,
Meineke, Monro, etc. In terms of liability and dollars lost.

Spdloader



"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dq3g50$j2c$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Will Honea wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:41:12 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
>>>loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
>>>we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
>>>looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
>>>street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
>>>or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
>>>the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
>>>
>>>Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
>>>middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the ground
>>>where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile from
>>>where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops had a
>>>good laugh about it.
>>
>>
>> I can recall at least three separate occasions over the last dozen years
>> in this town alone where a lost wheel on the freeway resulted in
>> fatal injuries to occupants of oncoming cars and numerous demolition
>> derbies iniitiated by the same villian. Loose wheels just don't seem
>> funny to me anymore - although the look on the face of your girl's father
>> was probably well worth a picture! "But Dad, here I was and ..."
>
> Googling informs me that passenger vehicle wheel separation stats in the
> USofA are not collected, but that for commercial trucks the rate is in the
> range of 750 to 1050 out of about 350,000 truck accidents a year. That's a
> tiny number when compared to annual truck miles driven, but I'd still
> prefer to not be part of the on-coming traffic when a wheel separates from
> a vehicle at speed.
>
>

Snow

Sort of sounds like Cambodian Tire (canadian tire), I was in there a couple
months back and had them install 2 new tires on the wifey's ZJ, I told the
service manager that I wanted the gent installing them to use a torque
wrench to install the wheels since one, the are aluminium rims, two, I want
to be able to remove them later and three because my torque wrench was out
getting re-calibrated. Well just a few weeks ago (day after boxing day) I
was over at the parents place for Christmas diner and for a brake change
(yes any repair that may take longer then 6hrs goes into their 3 car garage,
also they have a "spare" vehicle I can use if needed), well guess what.... 1
out of five lug nuts on the driverside I had to place the old pipe on the
breaker bar and stand on it to loosen it, I had to loosen two nuts this way
on the pax side.
Snow...

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dq0nfv$8q7$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Hootowl wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:05:18 GMT, "Spdloader"
>> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Costco "bothers" in order to keep the wheels from falling off and getting
>>>sued. It happens more than you think. W/O's, (wheel offs) were the number
>>>2 problem with a vehicle with "mags" after a brake job for comebacks,
>>>right behind brake squeal as complaints go for #1.
>>
>> Tell me about it! I had the left rear wheel come off my '80 lwb Dodge
>> van in the wee hours one morning (it was loaded heavily with vending
>> machine merchandise and had a full 36-gallon plastic tank to boot)
>> after getting new tires. I found that the lug nuts had to torqued to
> [snip]
>
> Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
> loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
> we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
> looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
> street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
> or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
> the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
>
> Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
> middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the ground
> where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile from
> where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops had a
> good laugh about it.