Snow

Sort of sounds like Cambodian Tire (canadian tire), I was in there a couple
months back and had them install 2 new tires on the wifey's ZJ, I told the
service manager that I wanted the gent installing them to use a torque
wrench to install the wheels since one, the are aluminium rims, two, I want
to be able to remove them later and three because my torque wrench was out
getting re-calibrated. Well just a few weeks ago (day after boxing day) I
was over at the parents place for Christmas diner and for a brake change
(yes any repair that may take longer then 6hrs goes into their 3 car garage,
also they have a "spare" vehicle I can use if needed), well guess what.... 1
out of five lug nuts on the driverside I had to place the old pipe on the
breaker bar and stand on it to loosen it, I had to loosen two nuts this way
on the pax side.
Snow...

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dq0nfv$8q7$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Hootowl wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:05:18 GMT, "Spdloader"
>> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Costco "bothers" in order to keep the wheels from falling off and getting
>>>sued. It happens more than you think. W/O's, (wheel offs) were the number
>>>2 problem with a vehicle with "mags" after a brake job for comebacks,
>>>right behind brake squeal as complaints go for #1.
>>
>> Tell me about it! I had the left rear wheel come off my '80 lwb Dodge
>> van in the wee hours one morning (it was loaded heavily with vending
>> machine merchandise and had a full 36-gallon plastic tank to boot)
>> after getting new tires. I found that the lug nuts had to torqued to
> [snip]
>
> Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
> loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
> we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
> looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
> street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
> or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
> the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
>
> Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
> middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the ground
> where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile from
> where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops had a
> good laugh about it.

Snow

Sort of sounds like Cambodian Tire (canadian tire), I was in there a couple
months back and had them install 2 new tires on the wifey's ZJ, I told the
service manager that I wanted the gent installing them to use a torque
wrench to install the wheels since one, the are aluminium rims, two, I want
to be able to remove them later and three because my torque wrench was out
getting re-calibrated. Well just a few weeks ago (day after boxing day) I
was over at the parents place for Christmas diner and for a brake change
(yes any repair that may take longer then 6hrs goes into their 3 car garage,
also they have a "spare" vehicle I can use if needed), well guess what.... 1
out of five lug nuts on the driverside I had to place the old pipe on the
breaker bar and stand on it to loosen it, I had to loosen two nuts this way
on the pax side.
Snow...

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dq0nfv$8q7$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Hootowl wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:05:18 GMT, "Spdloader"
>> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Costco "bothers" in order to keep the wheels from falling off and getting
>>>sued. It happens more than you think. W/O's, (wheel offs) were the number
>>>2 problem with a vehicle with "mags" after a brake job for comebacks,
>>>right behind brake squeal as complaints go for #1.
>>
>> Tell me about it! I had the left rear wheel come off my '80 lwb Dodge
>> van in the wee hours one morning (it was loaded heavily with vending
>> machine merchandise and had a full 36-gallon plastic tank to boot)
>> after getting new tires. I found that the lug nuts had to torqued to
> [snip]
>
> Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
> loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
> we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
> looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
> street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
> or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
> the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
>
> Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
> middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the ground
> where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile from
> where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops had a
> good laugh about it.

Spdloader

There is also a phenomenon that happens between different types of metal.
Corrosion, and chemical bonding CAN cause this, not that it did.

Spdloader

"Snow" <snowbal99@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:nwcxf.26038$Pq4.221775@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> Sort of sounds like Cambodian Tire (canadian tire), I was in there a
> couple months back and had them install 2 new tires on the wifey's ZJ, I
> told the service manager that I wanted the gent installing them to use a
> torque wrench to install the wheels since one, the are aluminium rims,
> two, I want to be able to remove them later and three because my torque
> wrench was out getting re-calibrated. Well just a few weeks ago (day
> after boxing day) I was over at the parents place for Christmas diner and
> for a brake change (yes any repair that may take longer then 6hrs goes
> into their 3 car garage, also they have a "spare" vehicle I can use if
> needed), well guess what.... 1 out of five lug nuts on the driverside I
> had to place the old pipe on the breaker bar and stand on it to loosen it,
> I had to loosen two nuts this way on the pax side.
> Snow...
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:dq0nfv$8q7$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> Hootowl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:05:18 GMT, "Spdloader"
>>> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Costco "bothers" in order to keep the wheels from falling off and
>>>>getting sued. It happens more than you think. W/O's, (wheel offs) were
>>>>the number 2 problem with a vehicle with "mags" after a brake job for
>>>>comebacks, right behind brake squeal as complaints go for #1.
>>>
>>> Tell me about it! I had the left rear wheel come off my '80 lwb Dodge
>>> van in the wee hours one morning (it was loaded heavily with vending
>>> machine merchandise and had a full 36-gallon plastic tank to boot)
>>> after getting new tires. I found that the lug nuts had to torqued to
>> [snip]
>>
>> Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
>> loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
>> we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
>> looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
>> street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
>> or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
>> the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
>>
>> Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
>> middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the ground
>> where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile from
>> where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops had a
>> good laugh about it.
>
>

Spdloader

There is also a phenomenon that happens between different types of metal.
Corrosion, and chemical bonding CAN cause this, not that it did.

Spdloader

"Snow" <snowbal99@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:nwcxf.26038$Pq4.221775@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> Sort of sounds like Cambodian Tire (canadian tire), I was in there a
> couple months back and had them install 2 new tires on the wifey's ZJ, I
> told the service manager that I wanted the gent installing them to use a
> torque wrench to install the wheels since one, the are aluminium rims,
> two, I want to be able to remove them later and three because my torque
> wrench was out getting re-calibrated. Well just a few weeks ago (day
> after boxing day) I was over at the parents place for Christmas diner and
> for a brake change (yes any repair that may take longer then 6hrs goes
> into their 3 car garage, also they have a "spare" vehicle I can use if
> needed), well guess what.... 1 out of five lug nuts on the driverside I
> had to place the old pipe on the breaker bar and stand on it to loosen it,
> I had to loosen two nuts this way on the pax side.
> Snow...
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:dq0nfv$8q7$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> Hootowl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:05:18 GMT, "Spdloader"
>>> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Costco "bothers" in order to keep the wheels from falling off and
>>>>getting sued. It happens more than you think. W/O's, (wheel offs) were
>>>>the number 2 problem with a vehicle with "mags" after a brake job for
>>>>comebacks, right behind brake squeal as complaints go for #1.
>>>
>>> Tell me about it! I had the left rear wheel come off my '80 lwb Dodge
>>> van in the wee hours one morning (it was loaded heavily with vending
>>> machine merchandise and had a full 36-gallon plastic tank to boot)
>>> after getting new tires. I found that the lug nuts had to torqued to
>> [snip]
>>
>> Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
>> loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
>> we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
>> looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
>> street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
>> or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
>> the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
>>
>> Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
>> middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the ground
>> where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile from
>> where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops had a
>> good laugh about it.
>
>

Spdloader

There is also a phenomenon that happens between different types of metal.
Corrosion, and chemical bonding CAN cause this, not that it did.

Spdloader

"Snow" <snowbal99@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:nwcxf.26038$Pq4.221775@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> Sort of sounds like Cambodian Tire (canadian tire), I was in there a
> couple months back and had them install 2 new tires on the wifey's ZJ, I
> told the service manager that I wanted the gent installing them to use a
> torque wrench to install the wheels since one, the are aluminium rims,
> two, I want to be able to remove them later and three because my torque
> wrench was out getting re-calibrated. Well just a few weeks ago (day
> after boxing day) I was over at the parents place for Christmas diner and
> for a brake change (yes any repair that may take longer then 6hrs goes
> into their 3 car garage, also they have a "spare" vehicle I can use if
> needed), well guess what.... 1 out of five lug nuts on the driverside I
> had to place the old pipe on the breaker bar and stand on it to loosen it,
> I had to loosen two nuts this way on the pax side.
> Snow...
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:dq0nfv$8q7$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> Hootowl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:05:18 GMT, "Spdloader"
>>> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Costco "bothers" in order to keep the wheels from falling off and
>>>>getting sued. It happens more than you think. W/O's, (wheel offs) were
>>>>the number 2 problem with a vehicle with "mags" after a brake job for
>>>>comebacks, right behind brake squeal as complaints go for #1.
>>>
>>> Tell me about it! I had the left rear wheel come off my '80 lwb Dodge
>>> van in the wee hours one morning (it was loaded heavily with vending
>>> machine merchandise and had a full 36-gallon plastic tank to boot)
>>> after getting new tires. I found that the lug nuts had to torqued to
>> [snip]
>>
>> Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
>> loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
>> we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
>> looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
>> street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
>> or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
>> the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
>>
>> Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
>> middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the ground
>> where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile from
>> where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops had a
>> good laugh about it.
>
>

Will Honea

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:54:20 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:

> Will Honea wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:41:12 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:
> >
> >>[snip]
> >>
> >>Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
> >>loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
> >>we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
> >>looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
> >>street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
> >>or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
> >>the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
> >>
> >>Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
> >>middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the
> >>ground where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile
> >>from where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops
> >>had a good laugh about it.
> >
> >
> > I can recall at least three separate occasions over the last dozen
> > years in this town alone where a lost wheel on the freeway resulted in
> > fatal injuries to occupants of oncoming cars and numerous demolition
> > derbies iniitiated by the same villian. Loose wheels just don't seem
> > funny to me anymore - although the look on the face of your girl's
> > father was probably well worth a picture! "But Dad, here I was and
> > ..."
>
> Googling informs me that passenger vehicle wheel separation stats in the
> USofA are not collected, but that for commercial trucks the rate is in
> the range of 750 to 1050 out of about 350,000 truck accidents a year.
> That's a tiny number when compared to annual truck miles driven, but I'd
> still prefer to not be part of the on-coming traffic when a wheel
> separates from a vehicle at speed.

Guys who drive for a living are a lot more ---- about checking their
rides than most soccer moms. People working on commercial rigs are
also just a shade better than the discount tire stores. Makes a big
difference.

BTW, 3 instances in 12-15 years in a city of 300,000 with a major
interstate running thru and more tourists than I like to think about
is also a small relative number - but still 3 too many.

--
Will Honea

Will Honea

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:54:20 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:

> Will Honea wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:41:12 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:
> >
> >>[snip]
> >>
> >>Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
> >>loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
> >>we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
> >>looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
> >>street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
> >>or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
> >>the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
> >>
> >>Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
> >>middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the
> >>ground where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile
> >>from where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops
> >>had a good laugh about it.
> >
> >
> > I can recall at least three separate occasions over the last dozen
> > years in this town alone where a lost wheel on the freeway resulted in
> > fatal injuries to occupants of oncoming cars and numerous demolition
> > derbies iniitiated by the same villian. Loose wheels just don't seem
> > funny to me anymore - although the look on the face of your girl's
> > father was probably well worth a picture! "But Dad, here I was and
> > ..."
>
> Googling informs me that passenger vehicle wheel separation stats in the
> USofA are not collected, but that for commercial trucks the rate is in
> the range of 750 to 1050 out of about 350,000 truck accidents a year.
> That's a tiny number when compared to annual truck miles driven, but I'd
> still prefer to not be part of the on-coming traffic when a wheel
> separates from a vehicle at speed.

Guys who drive for a living are a lot more ---- about checking their
rides than most soccer moms. People working on commercial rigs are
also just a shade better than the discount tire stores. Makes a big
difference.

BTW, 3 instances in 12-15 years in a city of 300,000 with a major
interstate running thru and more tourists than I like to think about
is also a small relative number - but still 3 too many.

--
Will Honea

Will Honea

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:54:20 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:

> Will Honea wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:41:12 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:
> >
> >>[snip]
> >>
> >>Once upon a long farking time ago a car I was sitting in was hit by a
> >>loose wheel. It was around midnight, my then-girlfriend was driving and
> >>we'd pulled up to a stoplight in the little burg that we lived in. I
> >>looked up the hill to our left and saw a tire and rim rolling down the
> >>street -- no car, just a tire and rim. It must have hit a bit of gravel
> >>or something because it hooked right and clipped her car just forward of
> >>the front wheel, making a honkin huge dent in the fender.
> >>
> >>Driving up the hill we came upon a dazed guy leaning on his car in the
> >>middle of the street, the left front of the car was leaning on the
> >>ground where his tire and rim should have been. It was a good half mile
> >>from where his last lug nut fell off to where the tire hit us. The cops
> >>had a good laugh about it.
> >
> >
> > I can recall at least three separate occasions over the last dozen
> > years in this town alone where a lost wheel on the freeway resulted in
> > fatal injuries to occupants of oncoming cars and numerous demolition
> > derbies iniitiated by the same villian. Loose wheels just don't seem
> > funny to me anymore - although the look on the face of your girl's
> > father was probably well worth a picture! "But Dad, here I was and
> > ..."
>
> Googling informs me that passenger vehicle wheel separation stats in the
> USofA are not collected, but that for commercial trucks the rate is in
> the range of 750 to 1050 out of about 350,000 truck accidents a year.
> That's a tiny number when compared to annual truck miles driven, but I'd
> still prefer to not be part of the on-coming traffic when a wheel
> separates from a vehicle at speed.

Guys who drive for a living are a lot more ---- about checking their
rides than most soccer moms. People working on commercial rigs are
also just a shade better than the discount tire stores. Makes a big
difference.

BTW, 3 instances in 12-15 years in a city of 300,000 with a major
interstate running thru and more tourists than I like to think about
is also a small relative number - but still 3 too many.

--
Will Honea