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Re: Open Diff Traction Technique: Was: Last tire question, I promise
That trick has saved me from being on the receiving end of a strap a few
times. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Drink wrote: > > Just as a small point of order, we shouldn't think in absolutes. With a > stock, open differential, the power goes to the tire that's moving faster. > When one tire turns faster (as in a turn) the spider gears are effectively > multiplying the torque to that tire. This is perfect in a tight turn with > no tires spinning because the total torque from the driveshaft is > distributed between the tires and relieves the stress that would be placed > on the spider gears. The problem with this setup comes when one tire loses > traction. > When one tire loses traction, it turns more (spins) and the torque is > multiplied to that tire and divided from the other. Now, the downward > spiral begins as the spinning tire gets more power to spin faster. The > faster that tire spins, the less traction it has and the firmly planted tire > gets even less power even though it has more traction. > In a world of absolutes, the tire with more traction would have zero > power. But, it actually does receive some power but only as much as the > spinning tire (which is very little). So, here's the bottom line. > If you're in a bad situation like one tire spins on oily, glassy ice and > the other is planted on hot, dry pavement, don't expect to move with gas > pedal alone. But, if both tires are in slick mud, one tire might spin more > but you may have enough to the other tire to help if you don't romp on the > throttle and spin it out of control. You might be disheartened at this > point but we can try to trick the differential with an old technique. > If you apply a little brake pressure, the spinning tire will have drag on > it. That will trick that stock, open differential into thinking the > offending tire has traction and distribute more power to the other tire. > You might think that, "It's braking the stationary tire too" but that tire's > not moving much anyway and now it'll have more power. > I know a lot of the guys here know this technique but I wanted to make > sure some of the newcomers got this corporate knowledge. > o_o_o_o > Best Regards, /| ,[_____], > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O- > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_) > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W > "viriiman" <addresschanged@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:GKSdne99orFbd_DdRVn-ig@comcast.com... > > > If you just have a locker or limited slip in the rear, then you need to > > > use the smaller spare on the front only which means 2 tire changes if a > > > rear goes flat. One front one to the back, the spare to the front. > > > > With a limited slip the tire with the least amount of grip spins and the > one > > with the best grip doesn't get any power, correct? |
Re: Open Diff Traction Technique: Was: Last tire question, I promise
That trick has saved me from being on the receiving end of a strap a few
times. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Drink wrote: > > Just as a small point of order, we shouldn't think in absolutes. With a > stock, open differential, the power goes to the tire that's moving faster. > When one tire turns faster (as in a turn) the spider gears are effectively > multiplying the torque to that tire. This is perfect in a tight turn with > no tires spinning because the total torque from the driveshaft is > distributed between the tires and relieves the stress that would be placed > on the spider gears. The problem with this setup comes when one tire loses > traction. > When one tire loses traction, it turns more (spins) and the torque is > multiplied to that tire and divided from the other. Now, the downward > spiral begins as the spinning tire gets more power to spin faster. The > faster that tire spins, the less traction it has and the firmly planted tire > gets even less power even though it has more traction. > In a world of absolutes, the tire with more traction would have zero > power. But, it actually does receive some power but only as much as the > spinning tire (which is very little). So, here's the bottom line. > If you're in a bad situation like one tire spins on oily, glassy ice and > the other is planted on hot, dry pavement, don't expect to move with gas > pedal alone. But, if both tires are in slick mud, one tire might spin more > but you may have enough to the other tire to help if you don't romp on the > throttle and spin it out of control. You might be disheartened at this > point but we can try to trick the differential with an old technique. > If you apply a little brake pressure, the spinning tire will have drag on > it. That will trick that stock, open differential into thinking the > offending tire has traction and distribute more power to the other tire. > You might think that, "It's braking the stationary tire too" but that tire's > not moving much anyway and now it'll have more power. > I know a lot of the guys here know this technique but I wanted to make > sure some of the newcomers got this corporate knowledge. > o_o_o_o > Best Regards, /| ,[_____], > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O- > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_) > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W > "viriiman" <addresschanged@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:GKSdne99orFbd_DdRVn-ig@comcast.com... > > > If you just have a locker or limited slip in the rear, then you need to > > > use the smaller spare on the front only which means 2 tire changes if a > > > rear goes flat. One front one to the back, the spare to the front. > > > > With a limited slip the tire with the least amount of grip spins and the > one > > with the best grip doesn't get any power, correct? |
Re: Open Diff Traction Technique: Was: Last tire question, I promise
That trick has saved me from being on the receiving end of a strap a few
times. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Drink wrote: > > Just as a small point of order, we shouldn't think in absolutes. With a > stock, open differential, the power goes to the tire that's moving faster. > When one tire turns faster (as in a turn) the spider gears are effectively > multiplying the torque to that tire. This is perfect in a tight turn with > no tires spinning because the total torque from the driveshaft is > distributed between the tires and relieves the stress that would be placed > on the spider gears. The problem with this setup comes when one tire loses > traction. > When one tire loses traction, it turns more (spins) and the torque is > multiplied to that tire and divided from the other. Now, the downward > spiral begins as the spinning tire gets more power to spin faster. The > faster that tire spins, the less traction it has and the firmly planted tire > gets even less power even though it has more traction. > In a world of absolutes, the tire with more traction would have zero > power. But, it actually does receive some power but only as much as the > spinning tire (which is very little). So, here's the bottom line. > If you're in a bad situation like one tire spins on oily, glassy ice and > the other is planted on hot, dry pavement, don't expect to move with gas > pedal alone. But, if both tires are in slick mud, one tire might spin more > but you may have enough to the other tire to help if you don't romp on the > throttle and spin it out of control. You might be disheartened at this > point but we can try to trick the differential with an old technique. > If you apply a little brake pressure, the spinning tire will have drag on > it. That will trick that stock, open differential into thinking the > offending tire has traction and distribute more power to the other tire. > You might think that, "It's braking the stationary tire too" but that tire's > not moving much anyway and now it'll have more power. > I know a lot of the guys here know this technique but I wanted to make > sure some of the newcomers got this corporate knowledge. > o_o_o_o > Best Regards, /| ,[_____], > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O- > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_) > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W > "viriiman" <addresschanged@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:GKSdne99orFbd_DdRVn-ig@comcast.com... > > > If you just have a locker or limited slip in the rear, then you need to > > > use the smaller spare on the front only which means 2 tire changes if a > > > rear goes flat. One front one to the back, the spare to the front. > > > > With a limited slip the tire with the least amount of grip spins and the > one > > with the best grip doesn't get any power, correct? |
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