Just installed locker
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Re: Just installed locker
I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
right??
Eric
"Steve" <steve@xjeep.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:bLqge.11395$Ph4.375123@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Don't be so sure about the 'all Dana 35 after 94' generalization. For
> instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
> difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
>
> http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
>
> Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
>
> "Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
> possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical model
> vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in this
> guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It is
> advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which differential
> and axle are present."
>
> I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Eric wrote:
>> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS
>> had a different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER
>> 94 have the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not
>> (i.e. they all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>>
>> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>>
>> Eric
>> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
>> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>
>>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>>2311S2).
>>>
>>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>
>>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>>
>>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something
>>>the manufacturer doesn't...
>>>
>>>Eric
>>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>>
>>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits,
>>>>sort of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>>
>>>>Eric wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>>few... catches.
>>>>>
>>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers
>>>>>in. Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the
>>>>>proper clearances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eric
>>>>>99 TJ SE
>>>
>>>
>>
websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
right??
Eric
"Steve" <steve@xjeep.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:bLqge.11395$Ph4.375123@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Don't be so sure about the 'all Dana 35 after 94' generalization. For
> instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
> difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
>
> http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
>
> Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
>
> "Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
> possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical model
> vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in this
> guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It is
> advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which differential
> and axle are present."
>
> I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Eric wrote:
>> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS
>> had a different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER
>> 94 have the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not
>> (i.e. they all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>>
>> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>>
>> Eric
>> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
>> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>
>>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>>2311S2).
>>>
>>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>
>>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>>
>>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something
>>>the manufacturer doesn't...
>>>
>>>Eric
>>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>>
>>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits,
>>>>sort of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>>
>>>>Eric wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>>few... catches.
>>>>>
>>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers
>>>>>in. Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the
>>>>>proper clearances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eric
>>>>>99 TJ SE
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: Just installed locker
First clue, yours does not fit.
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Eric wrote:
>
> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
> right??
>
> Eric
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Eric wrote:
>
> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
> right??
>
> Eric
#43
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Re: Just installed locker
First clue, yours does not fit.
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Eric wrote:
>
> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
> right??
>
> Eric
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Eric wrote:
>
> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
> right??
>
> Eric
#44
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Re: Just installed locker
First clue, yours does not fit.
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mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Eric wrote:
>
> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
> right??
>
> Eric
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Eric wrote:
>
> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
> right??
>
> Eric
#45
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Re: Just installed locker
First clue, yours does not fit.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Eric wrote:
>
> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
> right??
>
> Eric
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Eric wrote:
>
> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
> right??
>
> Eric
#46
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Re: Just installed locker
Sure it does. Just not with the thrust washers. Found out he bought it
from a guy with a TJ that used it for a short time... have to find out if
that TJ had ABS or not.
It just doesn't make sense... I've seen more separate listings for the
no-slip (ABS or not) although I can't imagine what the difference would be
between the no-slip and lockright.. (just seems to be the guts are
different).
Eric
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4282C1A1.EC97C809@***.net...
> First clue, yours does not fit.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Eric wrote:
>>
>> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
>> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who
>> is
>> right??
>>
>> Eric
from a guy with a TJ that used it for a short time... have to find out if
that TJ had ABS or not.
It just doesn't make sense... I've seen more separate listings for the
no-slip (ABS or not) although I can't imagine what the difference would be
between the no-slip and lockright.. (just seems to be the guts are
different).
Eric
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4282C1A1.EC97C809@***.net...
> First clue, yours does not fit.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Eric wrote:
>>
>> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
>> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who
>> is
>> right??
>>
>> Eric
#47
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Re: Just installed locker
Sure it does. Just not with the thrust washers. Found out he bought it
from a guy with a TJ that used it for a short time... have to find out if
that TJ had ABS or not.
It just doesn't make sense... I've seen more separate listings for the
no-slip (ABS or not) although I can't imagine what the difference would be
between the no-slip and lockright.. (just seems to be the guts are
different).
Eric
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4282C1A1.EC97C809@***.net...
> First clue, yours does not fit.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Eric wrote:
>>
>> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
>> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who
>> is
>> right??
>>
>> Eric
from a guy with a TJ that used it for a short time... have to find out if
that TJ had ABS or not.
It just doesn't make sense... I've seen more separate listings for the
no-slip (ABS or not) although I can't imagine what the difference would be
between the no-slip and lockright.. (just seems to be the guts are
different).
Eric
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4282C1A1.EC97C809@***.net...
> First clue, yours does not fit.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Eric wrote:
>>
>> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
>> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who
>> is
>> right??
>>
>> Eric
#48
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Re: Just installed locker
Sure it does. Just not with the thrust washers. Found out he bought it
from a guy with a TJ that used it for a short time... have to find out if
that TJ had ABS or not.
It just doesn't make sense... I've seen more separate listings for the
no-slip (ABS or not) although I can't imagine what the difference would be
between the no-slip and lockright.. (just seems to be the guts are
different).
Eric
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4282C1A1.EC97C809@***.net...
> First clue, yours does not fit.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Eric wrote:
>>
>> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
>> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who
>> is
>> right??
>>
>> Eric
from a guy with a TJ that used it for a short time... have to find out if
that TJ had ABS or not.
It just doesn't make sense... I've seen more separate listings for the
no-slip (ABS or not) although I can't imagine what the difference would be
between the no-slip and lockright.. (just seems to be the guts are
different).
Eric
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4282C1A1.EC97C809@***.net...
> First clue, yours does not fit.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Eric wrote:
>>
>> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
>> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who
>> is
>> right??
>>
>> Eric
#49
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Re: Just installed locker
Sure it does. Just not with the thrust washers. Found out he bought it
from a guy with a TJ that used it for a short time... have to find out if
that TJ had ABS or not.
It just doesn't make sense... I've seen more separate listings for the
no-slip (ABS or not) although I can't imagine what the difference would be
between the no-slip and lockright.. (just seems to be the guts are
different).
Eric
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4282C1A1.EC97C809@***.net...
> First clue, yours does not fit.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Eric wrote:
>>
>> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
>> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who
>> is
>> right??
>>
>> Eric
from a guy with a TJ that used it for a short time... have to find out if
that TJ had ABS or not.
It just doesn't make sense... I've seen more separate listings for the
no-slip (ABS or not) although I can't imagine what the difference would be
between the no-slip and lockright.. (just seems to be the guts are
different).
Eric
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4282C1A1.EC97C809@***.net...
> First clue, yours does not fit.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Eric wrote:
>>
>> I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
>> websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who
>> is
>> right??
>>
>> Eric
#50
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Re: Just installed locker
Hi Eric,
Do you know of any other machine part that slides past each other
without the use of a thrust washer? Two hard metals must have a soft
metal separating them or they will gall.
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Eric wrote:
>
> Sure it does. Just not with the thrust washers. Found out he bought it
> from a guy with a TJ that used it for a short time... have to find out if
> that TJ had ABS or not.
>
> It just doesn't make sense... I've seen more separate listings for the
> no-slip (ABS or not) although I can't imagine what the difference would be
> between the no-slip and lockright.. (just seems to be the guts are
> different).
>
> Eric
Do you know of any other machine part that slides past each other
without the use of a thrust washer? Two hard metals must have a soft
metal separating them or they will gall.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Eric wrote:
>
> Sure it does. Just not with the thrust washers. Found out he bought it
> from a guy with a TJ that used it for a short time... have to find out if
> that TJ had ABS or not.
>
> It just doesn't make sense... I've seen more separate listings for the
> no-slip (ABS or not) although I can't imagine what the difference would be
> between the no-slip and lockright.. (just seems to be the guts are
> different).
>
> Eric