Just installed locker
05-10-2005, 10:44 PM
#31
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Re: Just installed locker
After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS had a
different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER 94 have
the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not (i.e. they
all have the ABS-sized carrier).
At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
Eric
"Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
> 2311S2).
>
> ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
> LockRight 2311 S2.
> TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>
> http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>
> Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
> a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something the
> manufacturer doesn't...
>
> Eric
> "Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
> news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>> Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>> sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>> rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>> too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits, sort
>> of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>> prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>> you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>
>> Steve
>> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>
>> Eric wrote:
>>> A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>> my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>> going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>> it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>> Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>> the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>> few... catches.
>>>
>>> For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>> on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>> both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>> my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>> intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>> washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>> say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers in.
>>> Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the proper
>>> clearances.
>>>
>>> Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>> get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>> but were still too thick to use.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> 99 TJ SE
>
>
different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER 94 have
the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not (i.e. they
all have the ABS-sized carrier).
At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
Eric
"Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
> 2311S2).
>
> ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
> LockRight 2311 S2.
> TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>
> http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>
> Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
> a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something the
> manufacturer doesn't...
>
> Eric
> "Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
> news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>> Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>> sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>> rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>> too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits, sort
>> of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>> prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>> you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>
>> Steve
>> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>
>> Eric wrote:
>>> A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>> my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>> going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>> it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>> Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>> the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>> few... catches.
>>>
>>> For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>> on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>> both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>> my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>> intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>> washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>> say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers in.
>>> Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the proper
>>> clearances.
>>>
>>> Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>> get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>> but were still too thick to use.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> 99 TJ SE
>
>
05-10-2005, 10:44 PM
#32
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Re: Just installed locker
After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS had a
different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER 94 have
the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not (i.e. they
all have the ABS-sized carrier).
At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
Eric
"Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
> 2311S2).
>
> ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
> LockRight 2311 S2.
> TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>
> http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>
> Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
> a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something the
> manufacturer doesn't...
>
> Eric
> "Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
> news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>> Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>> sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>> rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>> too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits, sort
>> of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>> prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>> you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>
>> Steve
>> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>
>> Eric wrote:
>>> A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>> my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>> going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>> it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>> Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>> the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>> few... catches.
>>>
>>> For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>> on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>> both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>> my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>> intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>> washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>> say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers in.
>>> Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the proper
>>> clearances.
>>>
>>> Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>> get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>> but were still too thick to use.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> 99 TJ SE
>
>
different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER 94 have
the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not (i.e. they
all have the ABS-sized carrier).
At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
Eric
"Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
> 2311S2).
>
> ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
> LockRight 2311 S2.
> TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>
> http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>
> Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
> a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something the
> manufacturer doesn't...
>
> Eric
> "Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
> news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>> Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>> sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>> rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>> too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits, sort
>> of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>> prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>> you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>
>> Steve
>> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>
>> Eric wrote:
>>> A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>> my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>> going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>> it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>> Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>> the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>> few... catches.
>>>
>>> For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>> on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>> both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>> my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>> intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>> washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>> say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers in.
>>> Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the proper
>>> clearances.
>>>
>>> Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>> get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>> but were still too thick to use.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> 99 TJ SE
>
>
05-10-2005, 10:44 PM
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Just installed locker
After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS had a
different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER 94 have
the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not (i.e. they
all have the ABS-sized carrier).
At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
Eric
"Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
> 2311S2).
>
> ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
> LockRight 2311 S2.
> TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>
> http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>
> Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
> a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something the
> manufacturer doesn't...
>
> Eric
> "Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
> news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>> Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>> sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>> rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>> too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits, sort
>> of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>> prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>> you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>
>> Steve
>> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>
>> Eric wrote:
>>> A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>> my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>> going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>> it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>> Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>> the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>> few... catches.
>>>
>>> For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>> on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>> both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>> my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>> intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>> washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>> say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers in.
>>> Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the proper
>>> clearances.
>>>
>>> Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>> get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>> but were still too thick to use.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> 99 TJ SE
>
>
different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER 94 have
the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not (i.e. they
all have the ABS-sized carrier).
At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
Eric
"Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
> 2311S2).
>
> ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
> LockRight 2311 S2.
> TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>
> http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>
> Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
> a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something the
> manufacturer doesn't...
>
> Eric
> "Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
> news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>> Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>> sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>> rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>> too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits, sort
>> of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>> prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>> you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>
>> Steve
>> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>
>> Eric wrote:
>>> A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>> my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>> going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>> it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>> Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>> the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>> few... catches.
>>>
>>> For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>> on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>> both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>> my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>> intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>> washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>> say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers in.
>>> Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the proper
>>> clearances.
>>>
>>> Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>> get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>> but were still too thick to use.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> 99 TJ SE
>
>
05-11-2005, 12:52 PM
#34
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Just installed locker
Don't be so sure about the 'all Dana 35 after 94' generalization. For
instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
"Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical
model vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in
this guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It
is advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which
differential and axle are present."
I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Eric wrote:
> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS had a
> different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER 94 have
> the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not (i.e. they
> all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>
> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>
> Eric
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>
>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>2311S2).
>>
>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>
>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>
>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something the
>>manufacturer doesn't...
>>
>>Eric
>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>
>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits, sort
>>>of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>
>>>Eric wrote:
>>>
>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>few... catches.
>>>>
>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers in.
>>>>Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the proper
>>>>clearances.
>>>>
>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>
>>>>Eric
>>>>99 TJ SE
>>
>>
>
>
instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
"Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical
model vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in
this guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It
is advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which
differential and axle are present."
I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Eric wrote:
> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS had a
> different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER 94 have
> the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not (i.e. they
> all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>
> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>
> Eric
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>
>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>2311S2).
>>
>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>
>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>
>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something the
>>manufacturer doesn't...
>>
>>Eric
>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>
>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits, sort
>>>of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>
>>>Eric wrote:
>>>
>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>few... catches.
>>>>
>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers in.
>>>>Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the proper
>>>>clearances.
>>>>
>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>
>>>>Eric
>>>>99 TJ SE
>>
>>
>
>
05-11-2005, 12:52 PM
#35
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Just installed locker
Don't be so sure about the 'all Dana 35 after 94' generalization. For
instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
"Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical
model vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in
this guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It
is advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which
differential and axle are present."
I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Eric wrote:
> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS had a
> different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER 94 have
> the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not (i.e. they
> all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>
> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>
> Eric
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>
>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>2311S2).
>>
>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>
>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>
>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something the
>>manufacturer doesn't...
>>
>>Eric
>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>
>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits, sort
>>>of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>
>>>Eric wrote:
>>>
>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>few... catches.
>>>>
>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers in.
>>>>Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the proper
>>>>clearances.
>>>>
>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>
>>>>Eric
>>>>99 TJ SE
>>
>>
>
>
instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
"Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical
model vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in
this guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It
is advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which
differential and axle are present."
I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Eric wrote:
> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS had a
> different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER 94 have
> the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not (i.e. they
> all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>
> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>
> Eric
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>
>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>2311S2).
>>
>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>
>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>
>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something the
>>manufacturer doesn't...
>>
>>Eric
>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>
>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits, sort
>>>of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>
>>>Eric wrote:
>>>
>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>few... catches.
>>>>
>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers in.
>>>>Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the proper
>>>>clearances.
>>>>
>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>
>>>>Eric
>>>>99 TJ SE
>>
>>
>
>
05-11-2005, 12:52 PM
#36
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Just installed locker
Don't be so sure about the 'all Dana 35 after 94' generalization. For
instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
"Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical
model vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in
this guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It
is advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which
differential and axle are present."
I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Eric wrote:
> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS had a
> different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER 94 have
> the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not (i.e. they
> all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>
> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>
> Eric
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>
>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>2311S2).
>>
>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>
>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>
>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something the
>>manufacturer doesn't...
>>
>>Eric
>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>
>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits, sort
>>>of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>
>>>Eric wrote:
>>>
>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>few... catches.
>>>>
>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers in.
>>>>Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the proper
>>>>clearances.
>>>>
>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>
>>>>Eric
>>>>99 TJ SE
>>
>>
>
>
instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
"Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical
model vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in
this guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It
is advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which
differential and axle are present."
I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Eric wrote:
> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS had a
> different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER 94 have
> the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not (i.e. they
> all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>
> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>
> Eric
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>
>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>2311S2).
>>
>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>
>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>
>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something the
>>manufacturer doesn't...
>>
>>Eric
>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>
>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits, sort
>>>of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>
>>>Eric wrote:
>>>
>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>few... catches.
>>>>
>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers in.
>>>>Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the proper
>>>>clearances.
>>>>
>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>
>>>>Eric
>>>>99 TJ SE
>>
>>
>
>
05-11-2005, 12:52 PM
#37
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Just installed locker
Don't be so sure about the 'all Dana 35 after 94' generalization. For
instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
"Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical
model vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in
this guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It
is advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which
differential and axle are present."
I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Eric wrote:
> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS had a
> different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER 94 have
> the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not (i.e. they
> all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>
> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>
> Eric
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>
>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>2311S2).
>>
>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>
>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>
>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something the
>>manufacturer doesn't...
>>
>>Eric
>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>
>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits, sort
>>>of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>
>>>Eric wrote:
>>>
>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>few... catches.
>>>>
>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers in.
>>>>Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the proper
>>>>clearances.
>>>>
>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>
>>>>Eric
>>>>99 TJ SE
>>
>>
>
>
instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
"Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical
model vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in
this guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It
is advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which
differential and axle are present."
I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Eric wrote:
> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS had a
> different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER 94 have
> the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not (i.e. they
> all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>
> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>
> Eric
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>
>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>2311S2).
>>
>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>
>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>
>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something the
>>manufacturer doesn't...
>>
>>Eric
>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>
>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits, sort
>>>of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>
>>>Eric wrote:
>>>
>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>few... catches.
>>>>
>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers in.
>>>>Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the proper
>>>>clearances.
>>>>
>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>
>>>>Eric
>>>>99 TJ SE
>>
>>
>
>
05-11-2005, 10:18 PM
#38
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Just installed locker
I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
right??
Eric
"Steve" <steve@xjeep.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:bLqge.11395$Ph4.375123@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Don't be so sure about the 'all Dana 35 after 94' generalization. For
> instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
> difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
>
> http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
>
> Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
>
> "Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
> possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical model
> vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in this
> guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It is
> advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which differential
> and axle are present."
>
> I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Eric wrote:
>> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS
>> had a different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER
>> 94 have the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not
>> (i.e. they all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>>
>> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>>
>> Eric
>> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
>> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>
>>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>>2311S2).
>>>
>>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>
>>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>>
>>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something
>>>the manufacturer doesn't...
>>>
>>>Eric
>>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>>
>>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits,
>>>>sort of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>>
>>>>Eric wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>>few... catches.
>>>>>
>>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers
>>>>>in. Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the
>>>>>proper clearances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eric
>>>>>99 TJ SE
>>>
>>>
>>
websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
right??
Eric
"Steve" <steve@xjeep.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:bLqge.11395$Ph4.375123@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Don't be so sure about the 'all Dana 35 after 94' generalization. For
> instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
> difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
>
> http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
>
> Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
>
> "Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
> possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical model
> vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in this
> guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It is
> advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which differential
> and axle are present."
>
> I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Eric wrote:
>> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS
>> had a different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER
>> 94 have the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not
>> (i.e. they all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>>
>> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>>
>> Eric
>> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
>> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>
>>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>>2311S2).
>>>
>>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>
>>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>>
>>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something
>>>the manufacturer doesn't...
>>>
>>>Eric
>>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>>
>>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits,
>>>>sort of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>>
>>>>Eric wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>>few... catches.
>>>>>
>>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers
>>>>>in. Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the
>>>>>proper clearances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eric
>>>>>99 TJ SE
>>>
>>>
>>
05-11-2005, 10:18 PM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Just installed locker
I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
right??
Eric
"Steve" <steve@xjeep.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:bLqge.11395$Ph4.375123@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Don't be so sure about the 'all Dana 35 after 94' generalization. For
> instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
> difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
>
> http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
>
> Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
>
> "Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
> possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical model
> vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in this
> guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It is
> advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which differential
> and axle are present."
>
> I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Eric wrote:
>> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS
>> had a different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER
>> 94 have the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not
>> (i.e. they all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>>
>> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>>
>> Eric
>> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
>> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>
>>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>>2311S2).
>>>
>>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>
>>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>>
>>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something
>>>the manufacturer doesn't...
>>>
>>>Eric
>>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>>
>>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits,
>>>>sort of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>>
>>>>Eric wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>>few... catches.
>>>>>
>>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers
>>>>>in. Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the
>>>>>proper clearances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eric
>>>>>99 TJ SE
>>>
>>>
>>
websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
right??
Eric
"Steve" <steve@xjeep.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:bLqge.11395$Ph4.375123@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Don't be so sure about the 'all Dana 35 after 94' generalization. For
> instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
> difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
>
> http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
>
> Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
>
> "Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
> possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical model
> vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in this
> guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It is
> advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which differential
> and axle are present."
>
> I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Eric wrote:
>> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS
>> had a different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER
>> 94 have the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not
>> (i.e. they all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>>
>> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>>
>> Eric
>> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
>> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>
>>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>>2311S2).
>>>
>>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>
>>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>>
>>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something
>>>the manufacturer doesn't...
>>>
>>>Eric
>>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>>
>>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits,
>>>>sort of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>>
>>>>Eric wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>>few... catches.
>>>>>
>>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers
>>>>>in. Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the
>>>>>proper clearances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eric
>>>>>99 TJ SE
>>>
>>>
>>
05-11-2005, 10:18 PM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Just installed locker
I read that -- so how do I know if I have the right part? You go to 10
websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
right??
Eric
"Steve" <steve@xjeep.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:bLqge.11395$Ph4.375123@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Don't be so sure about the 'all Dana 35 after 94' generalization. For
> instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
> difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
>
> http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
>
> Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
>
> "Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
> possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical model
> vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in this
> guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It is
> advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which differential
> and axle are present."
>
> I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Eric wrote:
>> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS
>> had a different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER
>> 94 have the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not
>> (i.e. they all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>>
>> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>>
>> Eric
>> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
>> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>
>>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>>2311S2).
>>>
>>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>
>>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>>
>>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something
>>>the manufacturer doesn't...
>>>
>>>Eric
>>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>>
>>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits,
>>>>sort of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>>
>>>>Eric wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>>few... catches.
>>>>>
>>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers
>>>>>in. Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the
>>>>>proper clearances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eric
>>>>>99 TJ SE
>>>
>>>
>>
websites and half will say one thing, the other half something else. Who is
right??
Eric
"Steve" <steve@xjeep.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:bLqge.11395$Ph4.375123@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Don't be so sure about the 'all Dana 35 after 94' generalization. For
> instance this catalog implies that TJ still had the ABS/nonABS carrier
> difference and that non ABS TJs require the 2310S2:
>
> http://www.drivetrain.com/Lkrightjeepapp.html
>
> Also note the disclaimer on the Powertrax site:
>
> "Powertrax has attempted to make this Application Guide as accurate as
> possible. However, Powertrax cannot guarantee correctness. Identical model
> vehicles may have different axles or differentials than stated in this
> guide depending on original options ordered and other factors. It is
> advisable to check the vehicle to determine precisely which differential
> and axle are present."
>
> I believe you have a non-ABS carrier.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Eric wrote:
>> After further research it appears that the Dana 35s pre 93/94 with ABS
>> had a different carrier than those without ABS. However, all D35s AFTER
>> 94 have the same size carrier, regardless of whether you have ABS or not
>> (i.e. they all have the ABS-sized carrier).
>>
>> At least that's what the almighty google is telling me. ;-)
>>
>> Eric
>> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
>> news:w_dge.49894$AE6.2969@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>
>>>According to Powertrax's website, we should be using the same locker (P/N
>>>2311S2).
>>>
>>>ZJ, Rear Axle, 1993-2000 (his is a 93 or 94, can't recall), Dana 35 Uses
>>>LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>TJ, Rear Axle, 1994-2000 (my TJ's a 99), Dana 35, Uses LockRight 2311 S2.
>>>
>>>http://www.powertrax.com/jeep1lr.pdf
>>>
>>>Mind you, I've seen some sites (such as that linked by Bill) that specify
>>>a difference. I wonder why a distributer would be providing something
>>>the manufacturer doesn't...
>>>
>>>Eric
>>>"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>>news:mKYfe.59905$tg1.2482@edtnps84...
>>>
>>>>Your friend has ABS. You don't. You have the wrong locker. The side gear
>>>>sockets in your carrier are a bit too wide (you should have noticed some
>>>>rotational play in the locker) and the interior of your carrier is a bit
>>>>too narrow (hence no room for the required thrust washers). It fits,
>>>>sort of, but it will be noisy and you will wear your carrier and locker
>>>>prematurely. On the bright side, it will eventually provide the excuse
>>>>you need to upgrade to an 8.8 or a 44.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>>>>
>>>>Eric wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>A friend of mine just sent me his "slightly used" Powertrax locker for
>>>>>my Dana 35 (yes, Bill, I'll send you links of broken axles ;-)!) I was
>>>>>going to call the shop today to see how much it would cost to install
>>>>>it, and decided to just do it myself instead. Well, it took FOREVER.
>>>>>Really because the instructions stunk (didn't seem like they were for
>>>>>the right locker -- downloaded from the website). And there were a
>>>>>few... catches.
>>>>>
>>>>>For example, I couldn't use my thrust washers. I had all but given up
>>>>>on the install (couldn't get both couplers in there -- one at a time;
>>>>>both at the same time, with side gears, without, etc.) when I called up
>>>>>my friend and he said he didn't use his thrust washers. Not
>>>>>intentionally -- he just forgot to use them. So I took the thrust
>>>>>washers off of the side gears, and voila, everything fit. And when I
>>>>>say "fit", I mean it was very difficult just to get the two couplers
>>>>>in. Once installed, everything lined up the way it should, with the
>>>>>proper clearances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Will there be problems with not using the thrust washers? Do I need to
>>>>>get new, but wafer-thin ones? My stock ones were thin to begin with,
>>>>>but were still too thick to use.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eric
>>>>>99 TJ SE
>>>
>>>
>>