twaldron

Considering it's coming from a company that calls 12k miles the MAX life
on a rotor warranty-wise, I'd say 40k on one of their ball joints is
like winning the lottery. (can you tell I'm perturbed about the rotor
thing?)

Matt wrote:

> It seems that they've had ball joint issues on quite a few of their models.
>
> I had a 99 Dakota that would go through a set every 40k
>
> matt

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03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

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Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

Considering it's coming from a company that calls 12k miles the MAX life
on a rotor warranty-wise, I'd say 40k on one of their ball joints is
like winning the lottery. (can you tell I'm perturbed about the rotor
thing?)

Matt wrote:

> It seems that they've had ball joint issues on quite a few of their models.
>
> I had a 99 Dakota that would go through a set every 40k
>
> matt

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03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

Considering it's coming from a company that calls 12k miles the MAX life
on a rotor warranty-wise, I'd say 40k on one of their ball joints is
like winning the lottery. (can you tell I'm perturbed about the rotor
thing?)

Matt wrote:

> It seems that they've had ball joint issues on quite a few of their models.
>
> I had a 99 Dakota that would go through a set every 40k
>
> matt

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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DragonRider

>My girl friend is wanting to buy an 04 Liberty this week, but I don't know
>now.

Before she signs on the dotted line take one home for the night (any
reasonable dealer will do this if you are serious about the car).
Spend at least an hour in the seats and see if you are still
comfortable. That is the one consistent complaint that I have heard
and from the few of the first models I drove it was pretty apparent.
They sit something akin to a church pew...without the cushions. Great
for 10-20minutes but after that they are horrible. Same complaint
from many owners. Otherwise, if the seats are good for you then enjoy
the truck. I never did check to see if they updated the seats as time
went on. (Btw, it didn't matter if they were cloth or leather, they
were equally horrid)


>Does anyone know why they have had apparently the same problem for 3 years?
>What takes place during the recall? Are they fixing the problem or just
>replacing the worn-out part with a new (ready to fail) part? Is this a
>defective parts or just a design flaw?

They should be using an updated part to replace the flawed ones.

DragonRider

>My girl friend is wanting to buy an 04 Liberty this week, but I don't know
>now.

Before she signs on the dotted line take one home for the night (any
reasonable dealer will do this if you are serious about the car).
Spend at least an hour in the seats and see if you are still
comfortable. That is the one consistent complaint that I have heard
and from the few of the first models I drove it was pretty apparent.
They sit something akin to a church pew...without the cushions. Great
for 10-20minutes but after that they are horrible. Same complaint
from many owners. Otherwise, if the seats are good for you then enjoy
the truck. I never did check to see if they updated the seats as time
went on. (Btw, it didn't matter if they were cloth or leather, they
were equally horrid)


>Does anyone know why they have had apparently the same problem for 3 years?
>What takes place during the recall? Are they fixing the problem or just
>replacing the worn-out part with a new (ready to fail) part? Is this a
>defective parts or just a design flaw?

They should be using an updated part to replace the flawed ones.

DragonRider

>My girl friend is wanting to buy an 04 Liberty this week, but I don't know
>now.

Before she signs on the dotted line take one home for the night (any
reasonable dealer will do this if you are serious about the car).
Spend at least an hour in the seats and see if you are still
comfortable. That is the one consistent complaint that I have heard
and from the few of the first models I drove it was pretty apparent.
They sit something akin to a church pew...without the cushions. Great
for 10-20minutes but after that they are horrible. Same complaint
from many owners. Otherwise, if the seats are good for you then enjoy
the truck. I never did check to see if they updated the seats as time
went on. (Btw, it didn't matter if they were cloth or leather, they
were equally horrid)


>Does anyone know why they have had apparently the same problem for 3 years?
>What takes place during the recall? Are they fixing the problem or just
>replacing the worn-out part with a new (ready to fail) part? Is this a
>defective parts or just a design flaw?

They should be using an updated part to replace the flawed ones.

attnews

you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off.
Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were
designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production
is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not
to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like
t? )the liberty? Whynot?
"Markus Baertschi" <usenet@markus.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a1c9fd944b68721989711@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
>
> Today I read on our local swiss press about a large recall for the
> liberty (still called cherokee over here).
>
> A link: <http://www.msnbc.com/news/991534.asp>
>
> Some short detail:
> CHRYSLER, A unit of DaimlerChrysler AG, said the problem in the front
> suspension stems from the lower ball joint seal, which could become
> damaged and eventually result in loss of control.
>
> It looks that the famour 'how to break a hummer' video could have been
> filmed featuring a Liberty on a paved road...
>
> Markus
> --
> Markus Baertschi Phone: ++41 (21) 807 1677
> Bas du Rossé 14b Fax : ++41 (21) 807 1678
> CH-1163, Etoy Email: markus@markus.org
> Switzerland Homepage: www.markus.org

attnews

you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off.
Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were
designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production
is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not
to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like
t? )the liberty? Whynot?
"Markus Baertschi" <usenet@markus.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a1c9fd944b68721989711@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
>
> Today I read on our local swiss press about a large recall for the
> liberty (still called cherokee over here).
>
> A link: <http://www.msnbc.com/news/991534.asp>
>
> Some short detail:
> CHRYSLER, A unit of DaimlerChrysler AG, said the problem in the front
> suspension stems from the lower ball joint seal, which could become
> damaged and eventually result in loss of control.
>
> It looks that the famour 'how to break a hummer' video could have been
> filmed featuring a Liberty on a paved road...
>
> Markus
> --
> Markus Baertschi Phone: ++41 (21) 807 1677
> Bas du Rossé 14b Fax : ++41 (21) 807 1678
> CH-1163, Etoy Email: markus@markus.org
> Switzerland Homepage: www.markus.org

attnews

you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off.
Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were
designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production
is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not
to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like
t? )the liberty? Whynot?
"Markus Baertschi" <usenet@markus.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a1c9fd944b68721989711@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
>
> Today I read on our local swiss press about a large recall for the
> liberty (still called cherokee over here).
>
> A link: <http://www.msnbc.com/news/991534.asp>
>
> Some short detail:
> CHRYSLER, A unit of DaimlerChrysler AG, said the problem in the front
> suspension stems from the lower ball joint seal, which could become
> damaged and eventually result in loss of control.
>
> It looks that the famour 'how to break a hummer' video could have been
> filmed featuring a Liberty on a paved road...
>
> Markus
> --
> Markus Baertschi Phone: ++41 (21) 807 1677
> Bas du Rossé 14b Fax : ++41 (21) 807 1678
> CH-1163, Etoy Email: markus@markus.org
> Switzerland Homepage: www.markus.org

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi John,
One unbelievable compromise done to AMC's engineered Wrangler
design, was to change the rear end to a "C" clip axles. What were they
thinking? http://www.----------.com/dana35c
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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attnews wrote:
>
> you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off.
> Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were
> designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production
> is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not
> to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like
> t? )the liberty? Whynot?