Here's the like Bill. Which cast iron alloy are you refering the Liberty
lower arm has? Or are they all the same to you?
http://machinistinfo.com/types_of_cast_iron.htm


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FB57C8D.A37A73F9@***.net...
> It's made of cast iron, I guess you've never broken apart a V8
> block so the trash man will take it. Or accidentally broke a cast part
> while bolting it together out of sequence, It's like glass, taking a
> very little blow to break it, and that's what Daimler chose for the
> Libby's lower "A" frame suspension. I can't find the video of the
> Hummer, that wouldn't be it anyway, the suspension of the Yukon I've
> seen is made of steel. The video just showed the wheel flopping around
> like it probably just broke a tie rod end, not like the Libby where the
> wheel would fall off.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Play4aBuck wrote:
> >
> > What makes you think the "A" frame on the Liberty will crack?
> >
> > Hummer video...do you have the link handy?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jim

 

Maybe, you may tell me which, cast iron it is, bad or worst?
Daimler sure as hell won't list it at any of their sites. They all just
say the same thing as if under orders, " Sturdy, cast iron lower and
forged steel upper control arms". Are you really trying to defend cast
iron as opposed to forged steel? You know the only reason Daimler used
it is to save some money, at the cost of lives. Maybe you can bring by a
Libby so I may test the spark stream given off during a grinding
operation to approximate the grade or alloy of a steel in it to a
welding chart I use. And will you let me use the common sized ball pined
hammer on it, like pretending you were driving over some rocks? :-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

So What? wrote:
>
> Here's the like Bill. Which cast iron alloy are you refering the Liberty
> lower arm has? Or are they all the same to you?
> http://machinistinfo.com/types_of_cast_iron.htm

 

Maybe, you may tell me which, cast iron it is, bad or worst?
Daimler sure as hell won't list it at any of their sites. They all just
say the same thing as if under orders, " Sturdy, cast iron lower and
forged steel upper control arms". Are you really trying to defend cast
iron as opposed to forged steel? You know the only reason Daimler used
it is to save some money, at the cost of lives. Maybe you can bring by a
Libby so I may test the spark stream given off during a grinding
operation to approximate the grade or alloy of a steel in it to a
welding chart I use. And will you let me use the common sized ball pined
hammer on it, like pretending you were driving over some rocks? :-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

So What? wrote:
>
> Here's the like Bill. Which cast iron alloy are you refering the Liberty
> lower arm has? Or are they all the same to you?
> http://machinistinfo.com/types_of_cast_iron.htm

 

Maybe, you may tell me which, cast iron it is, bad or worst?
Daimler sure as hell won't list it at any of their sites. They all just
say the same thing as if under orders, " Sturdy, cast iron lower and
forged steel upper control arms". Are you really trying to defend cast
iron as opposed to forged steel? You know the only reason Daimler used
it is to save some money, at the cost of lives. Maybe you can bring by a
Libby so I may test the spark stream given off during a grinding
operation to approximate the grade or alloy of a steel in it to a
welding chart I use. And will you let me use the common sized ball pined
hammer on it, like pretending you were driving over some rocks? :-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

So What? wrote:
>
> Here's the like Bill. Which cast iron alloy are you refering the Liberty
> lower arm has? Or are they all the same to you?
> http://machinistinfo.com/types_of_cast_iron.htm

 

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> Before she signs on the dotted line take one home for the night (any
> reasonable dealer will do this if you are serious about the car).
> Spend at least an hour in the seats and see if you are still
> comfortable. That is the one consistent complaint that I have heard
> and from the few of the first models I drove it was pretty apparent.
------------<SNIPPED>---------------

I don't know if they made any changes in the 2004's, but my wife and I
drove our 2004 Liberty Sport 4X4 500 miles in one day last weekend and
had no complaints with the seats. I am 6' and weigh 200 pounds and she
is 5'2" and I will not discuss her weight other than to say not as
slender as she was 30 years ago, but we were both OK with the seats.

They do feel narrower and at first I was concerned about the lumbar
"lump" in the back of the seat since I have a lot of back trouble, but
it seems to work OK for us.

We did add sheepskin seatcovers the day we bought it (Sam's Club,
$29.95 each) that make any seats more commfortable plus keep the seats
in better shape for the day when we sell it.

1 month and 2,000 miles and we are very pleased with out Liberty.

Bill Tolle

 

------------<SNIPPED>---------------

> Before she signs on the dotted line take one home for the night (any
> reasonable dealer will do this if you are serious about the car).
> Spend at least an hour in the seats and see if you are still
> comfortable. That is the one consistent complaint that I have heard
> and from the few of the first models I drove it was pretty apparent.
------------<SNIPPED>---------------

I don't know if they made any changes in the 2004's, but my wife and I
drove our 2004 Liberty Sport 4X4 500 miles in one day last weekend and
had no complaints with the seats. I am 6' and weigh 200 pounds and she
is 5'2" and I will not discuss her weight other than to say not as
slender as she was 30 years ago, but we were both OK with the seats.

They do feel narrower and at first I was concerned about the lumbar
"lump" in the back of the seat since I have a lot of back trouble, but
it seems to work OK for us.

We did add sheepskin seatcovers the day we bought it (Sam's Club,
$29.95 each) that make any seats more commfortable plus keep the seats
in better shape for the day when we sell it.

1 month and 2,000 miles and we are very pleased with out Liberty.

Bill Tolle

 

------------<SNIPPED>---------------

> Before she signs on the dotted line take one home for the night (any
> reasonable dealer will do this if you are serious about the car).
> Spend at least an hour in the seats and see if you are still
> comfortable. That is the one consistent complaint that I have heard
> and from the few of the first models I drove it was pretty apparent.
------------<SNIPPED>---------------

I don't know if they made any changes in the 2004's, but my wife and I
drove our 2004 Liberty Sport 4X4 500 miles in one day last weekend and
had no complaints with the seats. I am 6' and weigh 200 pounds and she
is 5'2" and I will not discuss her weight other than to say not as
slender as she was 30 years ago, but we were both OK with the seats.

They do feel narrower and at first I was concerned about the lumbar
"lump" in the back of the seat since I have a lot of back trouble, but
it seems to work OK for us.

We did add sheepskin seatcovers the day we bought it (Sam's Club,
$29.95 each) that make any seats more commfortable plus keep the seats
in better shape for the day when we sell it.

1 month and 2,000 miles and we are very pleased with out Liberty.

Bill Tolle