Mike Romain

The booster might still be ok, it's the master that isn't.

Mike

Jet wrote:
>
> lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find
> someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will
> make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does
> not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to
> put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work
> on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions
> as possible.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077
>
> thanks carmine
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> >
> > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over
> > someone who just wanted your money.
> >
> >
> >
> > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> >
> > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of
> a
> > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of
> beer
> > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know
> > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always
> have
> > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope
> > > everything will be o.k.
> > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it
> is
> > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep
> the
> > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back
> > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the
> > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean
> it
> > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure.
> has
> > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine
> > >
> > >
> > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on
> ebay
> > > and
> > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend.
> > > >
> > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning
> valve
> > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder
> has
> > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem?
> can I
> > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder
> on
> > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master
> > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum
> line
> > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt
> do?
> > > > > thanks carmine
> > > >
> > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake
> > > > lines are sending you an important message.
> > > >
> > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts
> numbers
> > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for
> > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS).
> > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93.
> Even
> > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign
> at
> > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you
> still
> > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again,
> the
> > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the
> rear
> > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89.
> > > >
> > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate
> > > > ***-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless
> I
> > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this
> case
> > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of
> > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going
> to
> > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you
> > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far
> > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete
> > coverage and maximum profit potential."
> >
> > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan.
> >
> >
> >
> >

Jet

lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find
someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will
make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does
not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to
put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work
on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions
as possible.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077

thanks carmine


"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
>
> See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over
> someone who just wanted your money.
>
>
>
> On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
>
> > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of
a
> > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of
beer
> > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know
> > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always
have
> > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope
> > everything will be o.k.
> > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it
is
> > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep
the
> > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back
> > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the
> > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean
it
> > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure.
has
> > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine
> >
> >
> > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on
ebay
> > and
> > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend.
> > >
> > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday?
> > >
> > >
> > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning
valve
> > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder
has
> > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem?
can I
> > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder
on
> > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master
> > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum
line
> > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt
do?
> > > > thanks carmine
> > >
> > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake
> > > lines are sending you an important message.
> > >
> > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts
numbers
> > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for
> > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS).
> > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93.
Even
> > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign
at
> > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you
still
> > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again,
the
> > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the
rear
> > > cylinders fit 76 through 89.
> > >
> > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate
> > > ***-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless
I
> > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this
case
> > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of
> > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going
to
> > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you
> > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far
> as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete
> coverage and maximum profit potential."
>
> Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan.
>
>
>
>

Jet

lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find
someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will
make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does
not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to
put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work
on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions
as possible.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077

thanks carmine


"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
>
> See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over
> someone who just wanted your money.
>
>
>
> On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
>
> > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of
a
> > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of
beer
> > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know
> > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always
have
> > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope
> > everything will be o.k.
> > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it
is
> > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep
the
> > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back
> > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the
> > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean
it
> > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure.
has
> > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine
> >
> >
> > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on
ebay
> > and
> > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend.
> > >
> > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday?
> > >
> > >
> > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning
valve
> > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder
has
> > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem?
can I
> > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder
on
> > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master
> > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum
line
> > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt
do?
> > > > thanks carmine
> > >
> > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake
> > > lines are sending you an important message.
> > >
> > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts
numbers
> > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for
> > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS).
> > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93.
Even
> > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign
at
> > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you
still
> > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again,
the
> > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the
rear
> > > cylinders fit 76 through 89.
> > >
> > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate
> > > ***-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless
I
> > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this
case
> > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of
> > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going
to
> > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you
> > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far
> as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete
> coverage and maximum profit potential."
>
> Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan.
>
>
>
>

Jet

lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find
someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will
make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does
not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to
put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work
on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions
as possible.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077

thanks carmine


"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
>
> See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over
> someone who just wanted your money.
>
>
>
> On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
>
> > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of
a
> > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of
beer
> > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know
> > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always
have
> > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope
> > everything will be o.k.
> > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it
is
> > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep
the
> > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back
> > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the
> > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean
it
> > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure.
has
> > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine
> >
> >
> > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on
ebay
> > and
> > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend.
> > >
> > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday?
> > >
> > >
> > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning
valve
> > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder
has
> > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem?
can I
> > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder
on
> > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master
> > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum
line
> > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt
do?
> > > > thanks carmine
> > >
> > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake
> > > lines are sending you an important message.
> > >
> > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts
numbers
> > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for
> > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS).
> > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93.
Even
> > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign
at
> > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you
still
> > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again,
the
> > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the
rear
> > > cylinders fit 76 through 89.
> > >
> > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate
> > > ***-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless
I
> > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this
case
> > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of
> > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going
to
> > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you
> > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far
> as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete
> coverage and maximum profit potential."
>
> Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan.
>
>
>
>

Mike Romain

I take that back after reading the seller's comments.

They all say the same thing and in my opinion the guy is a fool.

He is talking about 'making' them fit a CJ7.

You can jury rig any booster and master setup to sort of work, that
doesn't mean it is going to work right.

The master and boosters are matched up to the pistons in the calipers
and wheel cylinders.

CJ and YJ ones are different as far as I have seen, a lot different....

I would just get a proper CJ one if it was mine. Like I mentioned a new
CJ7 master is only $38.00....

Mike

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> The booster might still be ok, it's the master that isn't.
>
> Mike
>
> Jet wrote:
> >
> > lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find
> > someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will
> > make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does
> > not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to
> > put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work
> > on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions
> > as possible.
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077
> >
> > thanks carmine
> >
> > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> > >
> > > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over
> > > someone who just wanted your money.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of
> > a
> > > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of
> > beer
> > > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know
> > > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always
> > have
> > > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope
> > > > everything will be o.k.
> > > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it
> > is
> > > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep
> > the
> > > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back
> > > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the
> > > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean
> > it
> > > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure.
> > has
> > > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> > > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on
> > ebay
> > > > and
> > > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning
> > valve
> > > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder
> > has
> > > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem?
> > can I
> > > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder
> > on
> > > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master
> > > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum
> > line
> > > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt
> > do?
> > > > > > thanks carmine
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake
> > > > > lines are sending you an important message.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts
> > numbers
> > > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for
> > > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS).
> > > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93.
> > Even
> > > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign
> > at
> > > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you
> > still
> > > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again,
> > the
> > > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the
> > rear
> > > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89.
> > > > >
> > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate
> > > > > ***-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless
> > I
> > > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this
> > case
> > > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of
> > > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going
> > to
> > > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you
> > > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far
> > > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete
> > > coverage and maximum profit potential."
> > >
> > > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

Mike Romain

I take that back after reading the seller's comments.

They all say the same thing and in my opinion the guy is a fool.

He is talking about 'making' them fit a CJ7.

You can jury rig any booster and master setup to sort of work, that
doesn't mean it is going to work right.

The master and boosters are matched up to the pistons in the calipers
and wheel cylinders.

CJ and YJ ones are different as far as I have seen, a lot different....

I would just get a proper CJ one if it was mine. Like I mentioned a new
CJ7 master is only $38.00....

Mike

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> The booster might still be ok, it's the master that isn't.
>
> Mike
>
> Jet wrote:
> >
> > lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find
> > someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will
> > make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does
> > not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to
> > put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work
> > on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions
> > as possible.
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077
> >
> > thanks carmine
> >
> > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> > >
> > > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over
> > > someone who just wanted your money.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of
> > a
> > > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of
> > beer
> > > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know
> > > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always
> > have
> > > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope
> > > > everything will be o.k.
> > > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it
> > is
> > > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep
> > the
> > > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back
> > > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the
> > > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean
> > it
> > > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure.
> > has
> > > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> > > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on
> > ebay
> > > > and
> > > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning
> > valve
> > > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder
> > has
> > > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem?
> > can I
> > > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder
> > on
> > > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master
> > > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum
> > line
> > > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt
> > do?
> > > > > > thanks carmine
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake
> > > > > lines are sending you an important message.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts
> > numbers
> > > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for
> > > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS).
> > > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93.
> > Even
> > > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign
> > at
> > > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you
> > still
> > > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again,
> > the
> > > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the
> > rear
> > > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89.
> > > > >
> > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate
> > > > > ***-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless
> > I
> > > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this
> > case
> > > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of
> > > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going
> > to
> > > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you
> > > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far
> > > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete
> > > coverage and maximum profit potential."
> > >
> > > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

Mike Romain

I take that back after reading the seller's comments.

They all say the same thing and in my opinion the guy is a fool.

He is talking about 'making' them fit a CJ7.

You can jury rig any booster and master setup to sort of work, that
doesn't mean it is going to work right.

The master and boosters are matched up to the pistons in the calipers
and wheel cylinders.

CJ and YJ ones are different as far as I have seen, a lot different....

I would just get a proper CJ one if it was mine. Like I mentioned a new
CJ7 master is only $38.00....

Mike

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> The booster might still be ok, it's the master that isn't.
>
> Mike
>
> Jet wrote:
> >
> > lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find
> > someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will
> > make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does
> > not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to
> > put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work
> > on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions
> > as possible.
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077
> >
> > thanks carmine
> >
> > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> > >
> > > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over
> > > someone who just wanted your money.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of
> > a
> > > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of
> > beer
> > > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know
> > > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always
> > have
> > > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope
> > > > everything will be o.k.
> > > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it
> > is
> > > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep
> > the
> > > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back
> > > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the
> > > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean
> > it
> > > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure.
> > has
> > > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> > > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on
> > ebay
> > > > and
> > > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning
> > valve
> > > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder
> > has
> > > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem?
> > can I
> > > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder
> > on
> > > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master
> > > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum
> > line
> > > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt
> > do?
> > > > > > thanks carmine
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake
> > > > > lines are sending you an important message.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts
> > numbers
> > > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for
> > > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS).
> > > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93.
> > Even
> > > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign
> > at
> > > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you
> > still
> > > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again,
> > the
> > > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the
> > rear
> > > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89.
> > > > >
> > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate
> > > > > ***-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless
> > I
> > > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this
> > case
> > > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of
> > > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going
> > to
> > > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you
> > > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far
> > > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete
> > > coverage and maximum profit potential."
> > >
> > > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

Paul Calman

> I would just get a proper CJ one if it was mine. Like I mentioned a new
> CJ7 master is only $38.00....

Brakes are a device on which I never try to save money. I buy the best parts
I can. When I hone out a bore, it gets larger, and to remove the corrosion
pitting requires a lot of metal removal. I buy new hydraulics rather than
rebuilt which are honed out to 'who knows what' size. In the case of rare
antiques, i have them bored and sleeved in brass or SS to the original
diameter.
I have found that brakes shoes and pads of the cheap variety generally give
more braking force than 'lifetime guaranteed" shoes and pads which are too
hard.
Mercedes and Volvo did it right, they used pads that will wear out, and soft
nodular iron rotors, and you get powerful brakes with disposable parts. I
can still buy Merc. 300 series rotors for $10 each, new and sell them for
$20. I never turn rotors on either make. Volvo brakes always make noise
unless you use factory pads, and Merc usually too.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Paul Calman

> I would just get a proper CJ one if it was mine. Like I mentioned a new
> CJ7 master is only $38.00....

Brakes are a device on which I never try to save money. I buy the best parts
I can. When I hone out a bore, it gets larger, and to remove the corrosion
pitting requires a lot of metal removal. I buy new hydraulics rather than
rebuilt which are honed out to 'who knows what' size. In the case of rare
antiques, i have them bored and sleeved in brass or SS to the original
diameter.
I have found that brakes shoes and pads of the cheap variety generally give
more braking force than 'lifetime guaranteed" shoes and pads which are too
hard.
Mercedes and Volvo did it right, they used pads that will wear out, and soft
nodular iron rotors, and you get powerful brakes with disposable parts. I
can still buy Merc. 300 series rotors for $10 each, new and sell them for
$20. I never turn rotors on either make. Volvo brakes always make noise
unless you use factory pads, and Merc usually too.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Paul Calman

> I would just get a proper CJ one if it was mine. Like I mentioned a new
> CJ7 master is only $38.00....

Brakes are a device on which I never try to save money. I buy the best parts
I can. When I hone out a bore, it gets larger, and to remove the corrosion
pitting requires a lot of metal removal. I buy new hydraulics rather than
rebuilt which are honed out to 'who knows what' size. In the case of rare
antiques, i have them bored and sleeved in brass or SS to the original
diameter.
I have found that brakes shoes and pads of the cheap variety generally give
more braking force than 'lifetime guaranteed" shoes and pads which are too
hard.
Mercedes and Volvo did it right, they used pads that will wear out, and soft
nodular iron rotors, and you get powerful brakes with disposable parts. I
can still buy Merc. 300 series rotors for $10 each, new and sell them for
$20. I never turn rotors on either make. Volvo brakes always make noise
unless you use factory pads, and Merc usually too.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California