Jet

here is the email I got back from one of the many sellers on ebay that i
emailed that are selling wrangler boosters on ebay


hi carmine,
not sure who you are talking to, but they have no idea what they are telling
you.
I have since 1987 sold well over 800 boosters not to mention installing well
over 200 unto customers cj model jeeps.
it will fit, and will work well.

carmine

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FD251C3.645C265A@sympatico.ca...
> I take that back after reading the seller's comments.
>
> They all say the same thing and in my opinion the guy is a fool.
>
> He is talking about 'making' them fit a CJ7.
>
> You can jury rig any booster and master setup to sort of work, that
> doesn't mean it is going to work right.
>
> The master and boosters are matched up to the pistons in the calipers
> and wheel cylinders.
>
> CJ and YJ ones are different as far as I have seen, a lot different....
>
> I would just get a proper CJ one if it was mine. Like I mentioned a new
> CJ7 master is only $38.00....
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > The booster might still be ok, it's the master that isn't.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Jet wrote:
> > >
> > > lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find
> > > someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions
I will
> > > make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that
does
> > > not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous
parts to
> > > put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will
work
> > > on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many
opinions
> > > as possible.
> > >
> > >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438
> > >
> > >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893
> > >
> > >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077
> > >
> > > thanks carmine
> > >
> > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> > > >
> > > > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice
over
> > > > someone who just wanted your money.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the
top of
> > > a
> > > > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink
allot of
> > > beer
> > > > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work,
you know
> > > > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I
always
> > > have
> > > > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope
> > > > > everything will be o.k.
> > > > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he
said it
> > > is
> > > > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I
keep
> > > the
> > > > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to
back
> > > > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be
increasing the
> > > > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part
don't mean
> > > it
> > > > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal
pressure.
> > > has
> > > > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> > > > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler
on
> > > ebay
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a
proportioning
> > > valve
> > > > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master
cylinder
> > > has
> > > > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a
problem?
> > > can I
> > > > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master
cylinder
> > > on
> > > > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the
master
> > > > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the
vacuum
> > > line
> > > > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or
should'nt
> > > do?
> > > > > > > thanks carmine
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the
brake
> > > > > > lines are sending you an important message.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the
parts
> > > numbers
> > > > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the
master for
> > > > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o
ABS).
> > > > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and
87-93.
> > > Even
> > > > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal
redesign
> > > at
> > > > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?),
you
> > > still
> > > > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking
again,
> > > the
> > > > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00,
the
> > > rear
> > > > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate
> > > > > > ***-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes
unless
> > > I
> > > > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in
this
> > > case
> > > > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep
instead of
> > > > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not
going
> > > to
> > > > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the
brakes you
> > > > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than
yourself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as
far
> > > > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete
> > > > coverage and maximum profit potential."
> > > >
> > > > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

Jet

here is the email I got back from one of the many sellers on ebay that i
emailed that are selling wrangler boosters on ebay


hi carmine,
not sure who you are talking to, but they have no idea what they are telling
you.
I have since 1987 sold well over 800 boosters not to mention installing well
over 200 unto customers cj model jeeps.
it will fit, and will work well.

carmine

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FD251C3.645C265A@sympatico.ca...
> I take that back after reading the seller's comments.
>
> They all say the same thing and in my opinion the guy is a fool.
>
> He is talking about 'making' them fit a CJ7.
>
> You can jury rig any booster and master setup to sort of work, that
> doesn't mean it is going to work right.
>
> The master and boosters are matched up to the pistons in the calipers
> and wheel cylinders.
>
> CJ and YJ ones are different as far as I have seen, a lot different....
>
> I would just get a proper CJ one if it was mine. Like I mentioned a new
> CJ7 master is only $38.00....
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > The booster might still be ok, it's the master that isn't.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Jet wrote:
> > >
> > > lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find
> > > someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions
I will
> > > make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that
does
> > > not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous
parts to
> > > put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will
work
> > > on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many
opinions
> > > as possible.
> > >
> > >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438
> > >
> > >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893
> > >
> > >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077
> > >
> > > thanks carmine
> > >
> > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> > > >
> > > > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice
over
> > > > someone who just wanted your money.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the
top of
> > > a
> > > > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink
allot of
> > > beer
> > > > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work,
you know
> > > > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I
always
> > > have
> > > > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope
> > > > > everything will be o.k.
> > > > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he
said it
> > > is
> > > > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I
keep
> > > the
> > > > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to
back
> > > > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be
increasing the
> > > > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part
don't mean
> > > it
> > > > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal
pressure.
> > > has
> > > > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> > > > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler
on
> > > ebay
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a
proportioning
> > > valve
> > > > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master
cylinder
> > > has
> > > > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a
problem?
> > > can I
> > > > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master
cylinder
> > > on
> > > > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the
master
> > > > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the
vacuum
> > > line
> > > > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or
should'nt
> > > do?
> > > > > > > thanks carmine
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the
brake
> > > > > > lines are sending you an important message.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the
parts
> > > numbers
> > > > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the
master for
> > > > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o
ABS).
> > > > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and
87-93.
> > > Even
> > > > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal
redesign
> > > at
> > > > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?),
you
> > > still
> > > > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking
again,
> > > the
> > > > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00,
the
> > > rear
> > > > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate
> > > > > > ***-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes
unless
> > > I
> > > > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in
this
> > > case
> > > > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep
instead of
> > > > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not
going
> > > to
> > > > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the
brakes you
> > > > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than
yourself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as
far
> > > > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete
> > > > coverage and maximum profit potential."
> > > >
> > > > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

Paul Calman

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FD263DE.BB5243B0@sympatico.ca...
> It might work just fine, I don't know 100% for sure either way.

Yup. Like 95% of diagnostic problems, I cant tell if it will fit, work, or
what's wrong, unless i can see it, hear it, and do my own tests.
No advice is often better than bad advice.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Paul Calman

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FD263DE.BB5243B0@sympatico.ca...
> It might work just fine, I don't know 100% for sure either way.

Yup. Like 95% of diagnostic problems, I cant tell if it will fit, work, or
what's wrong, unless i can see it, hear it, and do my own tests.
No advice is often better than bad advice.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Paul Calman

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FD263DE.BB5243B0@sympatico.ca...
> It might work just fine, I don't know 100% for sure either way.

Yup. Like 95% of diagnostic problems, I cant tell if it will fit, work, or
what's wrong, unless i can see it, hear it, and do my own tests.
No advice is often better than bad advice.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Del Rawlins

On 07 Dec 2003 12:07 PM, Jet posted the following:
> bill why should I throw the booster in the trash? should I listen to
> someone who has never installed one and is telling a bunch of scary
> story's or listen to someone who has installed 200 of them? just
> because lee thinks I am incompetent don't mean I should not do this. I
> installed/ fabricated a 150 hp 3 cylinder jet ski motor in a stand up
> jet ski that was in a national jet ski magazine that works and runs
> great that I get emails from people all over the world regularly. I
> know I am new to jeep but I think that upgrading brakes on a jeep is
> allot less complicated than some of the stuff I have done.

What I don't get is why you are willing to take the seller at his word
when he has a financial incentive for saying what he does, while you
insist on disregarding the advice of the people here who know Jeeps and
have nothing to gain by misleading you.

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Del Rawlins

On 07 Dec 2003 12:07 PM, Jet posted the following:
> bill why should I throw the booster in the trash? should I listen to
> someone who has never installed one and is telling a bunch of scary
> story's or listen to someone who has installed 200 of them? just
> because lee thinks I am incompetent don't mean I should not do this. I
> installed/ fabricated a 150 hp 3 cylinder jet ski motor in a stand up
> jet ski that was in a national jet ski magazine that works and runs
> great that I get emails from people all over the world regularly. I
> know I am new to jeep but I think that upgrading brakes on a jeep is
> allot less complicated than some of the stuff I have done.

What I don't get is why you are willing to take the seller at his word
when he has a financial incentive for saying what he does, while you
insist on disregarding the advice of the people here who know Jeeps and
have nothing to gain by misleading you.

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Del Rawlins

On 07 Dec 2003 12:07 PM, Jet posted the following:
> bill why should I throw the booster in the trash? should I listen to
> someone who has never installed one and is telling a bunch of scary
> story's or listen to someone who has installed 200 of them? just
> because lee thinks I am incompetent don't mean I should not do this. I
> installed/ fabricated a 150 hp 3 cylinder jet ski motor in a stand up
> jet ski that was in a national jet ski magazine that works and runs
> great that I get emails from people all over the world regularly. I
> know I am new to jeep but I think that upgrading brakes on a jeep is
> allot less complicated than some of the stuff I have done.

What I don't get is why you are willing to take the seller at his word
when he has a financial incentive for saying what he does, while you
insist on disregarding the advice of the people here who know Jeeps and
have nothing to gain by misleading you.

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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

OK, lets supposed you install the booster, master, and proportion
valve then sell the Jeep. Do I need to suggest anything more?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jet wrote:
>
> bill why should I throw the booster in the trash? should I listen to someone
> who has never installed one and is telling a bunch of scary story's or
> listen to someone who has installed 200 of them? just because lee thinks I
> am incompetent don't mean I should not do this. I installed/ fabricated a
> 150 hp 3 cylinder jet ski motor in a stand up jet ski that was in a national
> jet ski magazine that works and runs great that I get emails from people all
> over the world regularly. I know I am new to jeep but I think that upgrading
> brakes on a jeep is allot less complicated than some of the stuff I have
> done.
>
> oh here is another email i got back from a person selling a wrangler booster
> on ebay
> "you can use the CJ valve and the Wrangler MC and just adapt the lines"
>
> carmine

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

OK, lets supposed you install the booster, master, and proportion
valve then sell the Jeep. Do I need to suggest anything more?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jet wrote:
>
> bill why should I throw the booster in the trash? should I listen to someone
> who has never installed one and is telling a bunch of scary story's or
> listen to someone who has installed 200 of them? just because lee thinks I
> am incompetent don't mean I should not do this. I installed/ fabricated a
> 150 hp 3 cylinder jet ski motor in a stand up jet ski that was in a national
> jet ski magazine that works and runs great that I get emails from people all
> over the world regularly. I know I am new to jeep but I think that upgrading
> brakes on a jeep is allot less complicated than some of the stuff I have
> done.
>
> oh here is another email i got back from a person selling a wrangler booster
> on ebay
> "you can use the CJ valve and the Wrangler MC and just adapt the lines"
>
> carmine