Heatwave

In article <Xns9942D40F0A9F9someconundrum@216.196.97.131>,
kinch@truetex.com says...
> Will Honea writes:
>
> > The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
> > but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
> > overnight or longer.
>
> The same might be said of the 13 oz propane torch bottles that nobody,
> including the fire department, worries about indoors.

Boy I swear... Place that bottle next to your cars hot engine and tell
me you feel safe.


Snoball has had his *** handed to him by aarcuda on this subject already
and yet he is still spews lies. When snoball can no longer spew his bs
in one group he moves to another. The problem is the facts do not change
and the dangers of HC's remain.

---------------------------------------
> http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=3&c=y

> http://www.vasa.org.au/images/movies/hc_demo.mov

> The following pictures are a result of what happens when you fill
> your system with HC and things go awry under hood. it should be
> noted that the owner of this truck _is_ an AC service technician,
> he thought he was as smart as snoball also;

> http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...ressor%201.jpg
> http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...ressor%202.jpg
> http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...densor%201.jpg
> http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...from%20top.jpg

kudos to aarcuda for the research
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Heatwave

In article <Xns9942D40F0A9F9someconundrum@216.196.97.131>,
kinch@truetex.com says...
> Will Honea writes:
>
> > The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
> > but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
> > overnight or longer.
>
> The same might be said of the 13 oz propane torch bottles that nobody,
> including the fire department, worries about indoors.

Boy I swear... Place that bottle next to your cars hot engine and tell
me you feel safe.


Snoball has had his *** handed to him by aarcuda on this subject already
and yet he is still spews lies. When snoball can no longer spew his bs
in one group he moves to another. The problem is the facts do not change
and the dangers of HC's remain.

---------------------------------------
> http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=3&c=y

> http://www.vasa.org.au/images/movies/hc_demo.mov

> The following pictures are a result of what happens when you fill
> your system with HC and things go awry under hood. it should be
> noted that the owner of this truck _is_ an AC service technician,
> he thought he was as smart as snoball also;

> http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...ressor%201.jpg
> http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...ressor%202.jpg
> http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...densor%201.jpg
> http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...from%20top.jpg

kudos to aarcuda for the research
---------------------------------------

Heatwave

In article <Xns9942D40F0A9F9someconundrum@216.196.97.131>,
kinch@truetex.com says...
> Will Honea writes:
>
> > The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
> > but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
> > overnight or longer.
>
> The same might be said of the 13 oz propane torch bottles that nobody,
> including the fire department, worries about indoors.

Boy I swear... Place that bottle next to your cars hot engine and tell
me you feel safe.


Snoball has had his *** handed to him by aarcuda on this subject already
and yet he is still spews lies. When snoball can no longer spew his bs
in one group he moves to another. The problem is the facts do not change
and the dangers of HC's remain.

---------------------------------------
> http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=3&c=y

> http://www.vasa.org.au/images/movies/hc_demo.mov

> The following pictures are a result of what happens when you fill
> your system with HC and things go awry under hood. it should be
> noted that the owner of this truck _is_ an AC service technician,
> he thought he was as smart as snoball also;

> http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...ressor%201.jpg
> http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...ressor%202.jpg
> http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...densor%201.jpg
> http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...from%20top.jpg

kudos to aarcuda for the research
---------------------------------------

Heatwave

Locate your ------- "enter" key jackass.

> Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
> 5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
> reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
> beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
> lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
> here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
> knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
> commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for

People do not commute inside them dumb ***!

> many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
> Duponts lobbying.

THIS YEARS TINFOIL HAT AWARD GOES TOO! You don't have the slightest
evidence that Dupont gained anything from the switch over.

> Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
> takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
> energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
> win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his **** and

****? oh no you said a bad word! Remember when you used to whine about
that?

> learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
> I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
> R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
> not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
> on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
> and quite deadly in consentration while

Funny that you still make that claim when it has been pointed out to you
before that it could be found in inhalers. Besides unlike you I'm not
stupid enough to huff on a bottle of refrigerant.

> R12. R12a and propane is not
> toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
> you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
> from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
> more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for

R12 makes a nice phosgene gas when burned, try sniffing some.

> combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
> R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
> dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
> about all of this of course.
> -----------------

Ensuring your tinfoil hat status for the rest of the year aren't you.

Btw what does the following mean?
-Recommends
-fanatical
-everytime
-commercial
-Isobutane
-Capured
-Tempatures
-consentration

My spell checker goes nuts every time it sees your post.

Heatwave

Locate your ------- "enter" key jackass.

> Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
> 5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
> reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
> beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
> lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
> here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
> knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
> commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for

People do not commute inside them dumb ***!

> many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
> Duponts lobbying.

THIS YEARS TINFOIL HAT AWARD GOES TOO! You don't have the slightest
evidence that Dupont gained anything from the switch over.

> Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
> takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
> energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
> win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his **** and

****? oh no you said a bad word! Remember when you used to whine about
that?

> learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
> I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
> R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
> not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
> on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
> and quite deadly in consentration while

Funny that you still make that claim when it has been pointed out to you
before that it could be found in inhalers. Besides unlike you I'm not
stupid enough to huff on a bottle of refrigerant.

> R12. R12a and propane is not
> toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
> you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
> from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
> more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for

R12 makes a nice phosgene gas when burned, try sniffing some.

> combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
> R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
> dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
> about all of this of course.
> -----------------

Ensuring your tinfoil hat status for the rest of the year aren't you.

Btw what does the following mean?
-Recommends
-fanatical
-everytime
-commercial
-Isobutane
-Capured
-Tempatures
-consentration

My spell checker goes nuts every time it sees your post.

Heatwave

Locate your ------- "enter" key jackass.

> Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
> 5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
> reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
> beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
> lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
> here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
> knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
> commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for

People do not commute inside them dumb ***!

> many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
> Duponts lobbying.

THIS YEARS TINFOIL HAT AWARD GOES TOO! You don't have the slightest
evidence that Dupont gained anything from the switch over.

> Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
> takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
> energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
> win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his **** and

****? oh no you said a bad word! Remember when you used to whine about
that?

> learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
> I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
> R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
> not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
> on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
> and quite deadly in consentration while

Funny that you still make that claim when it has been pointed out to you
before that it could be found in inhalers. Besides unlike you I'm not
stupid enough to huff on a bottle of refrigerant.

> R12. R12a and propane is not
> toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
> you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
> from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
> more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for

R12 makes a nice phosgene gas when burned, try sniffing some.

> combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
> R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
> dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
> about all of this of course.
> -----------------

Ensuring your tinfoil hat status for the rest of the year aren't you.

Btw what does the following mean?
-Recommends
-fanatical
-everytime
-commercial
-Isobutane
-Capured
-Tempatures
-consentration

My spell checker goes nuts every time it sees your post.

Heatwave

Locate your ------- "enter" key jackass.

> Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
> 5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
> reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
> beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
> lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
> here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
> knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
> commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for

People do not commute inside them dumb ***!

> many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
> Duponts lobbying.

THIS YEARS TINFOIL HAT AWARD GOES TOO! You don't have the slightest
evidence that Dupont gained anything from the switch over.

> Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
> takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
> energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
> win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his **** and

****? oh no you said a bad word! Remember when you used to whine about
that?

> learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
> I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
> R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
> not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
> on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
> and quite deadly in consentration while

Funny that you still make that claim when it has been pointed out to you
before that it could be found in inhalers. Besides unlike you I'm not
stupid enough to huff on a bottle of refrigerant.

> R12. R12a and propane is not
> toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
> you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
> from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
> more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for

R12 makes a nice phosgene gas when burned, try sniffing some.

> combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
> R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
> dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
> about all of this of course.
> -----------------

Ensuring your tinfoil hat status for the rest of the year aren't you.

Btw what does the following mean?
-Recommends
-fanatical
-everytime
-commercial
-Isobutane
-Capured
-Tempatures
-consentration

My spell checker goes nuts every time it sees your post.

Heatwave

Well speak of the devil! Nice of you to join in Cuda.

In article <nonelson-42FD1A.21112501062007
@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, nonelson@sbcglobal.net says...

<snips> Good stuff as usual.

> > Dupont is pretty quiet
> > about all of this of course.
>
> And all the other R-134 manufacturers?

Yeah I cant recall ever buying a bottle of 134a from Dupont. All that
lobbying sure did pay off. <snicker>

Heatwave

Well speak of the devil! Nice of you to join in Cuda.

In article <nonelson-42FD1A.21112501062007
@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, nonelson@sbcglobal.net says...

<snips> Good stuff as usual.

> > Dupont is pretty quiet
> > about all of this of course.
>
> And all the other R-134 manufacturers?

Yeah I cant recall ever buying a bottle of 134a from Dupont. All that
lobbying sure did pay off. <snicker>

Heatwave

Well speak of the devil! Nice of you to join in Cuda.

In article <nonelson-42FD1A.21112501062007
@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, nonelson@sbcglobal.net says...

<snips> Good stuff as usual.

> > Dupont is pretty quiet
> > about all of this of course.
>
> And all the other R-134 manufacturers?

Yeah I cant recall ever buying a bottle of 134a from Dupont. All that
lobbying sure did pay off. <snicker>