Nathan W. Collier

"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message
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> Running anything other than r12 in a r12 system or 134a in a 134a system
> is nothing short of stupid.

thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this
application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible
refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in either
application.

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Nathan W. Collier

"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works,
> just isnt very cold.

you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to
convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy
conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly
well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. dont worry about the loss of
efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and
the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees.

.....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but
in this case i will.

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Nathan W. Collier

"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works,
> just isnt very cold.

you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to
convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy
conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly
well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. dont worry about the loss of
efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and
the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees.

.....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but
in this case i will.

--
Nathan In Montana
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http://BighornRefrigeration.com

Nathan W. Collier

"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
> all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works,
> just isnt very cold.

you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to
convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy
conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly
well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. dont worry about the loss of
efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and
the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees.

.....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but
in this case i will.

--
Nathan In Montana
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
http://1911Talk.com
http://GlockCarry.com
http://HiPowerTalk.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com

Nathan W. Collier

"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
> all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works,
> just isnt very cold.

you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to
convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy
conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly
well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. dont worry about the loss of
efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and
the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees.

.....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but
in this case i will.

--
Nathan In Montana
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
http://1911Talk.com
http://GlockCarry.com
http://HiPowerTalk.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com

Spdloader

> I was aware of how good propane is and how explosive thanks, hence my
> comment.
>
> The 'big' issue is that a 'very' 'very' common leak for AC systems in
> Jeeps is in the unit under the dash so the cab of the vehicle will fill up
> with the flammable gas. Light a cigarette or set of a static spark or
> spark with the door light switch even and you would be BBQ ed.
>
> Have a small leak see a static spark or a switch spark or even a radio
> spark and you have a blow torch going under your dash!
>
> That Snojob fool gives me crap abut perfectly legal and 'normal' things
> and yet advocates breaking the law and using explosives in a Jeep.
>
> Mike
>

Mike,
I agree completely. I was just passing on something that I saw in the past.
I wasn't trying to insult you or your experience, just relaying and
experience I had.

I don't condone propane as a viable replacement either, except for Snojob.

Later,
Spdloader

Spdloader

> I was aware of how good propane is and how explosive thanks, hence my
> comment.
>
> The 'big' issue is that a 'very' 'very' common leak for AC systems in
> Jeeps is in the unit under the dash so the cab of the vehicle will fill up
> with the flammable gas. Light a cigarette or set of a static spark or
> spark with the door light switch even and you would be BBQ ed.
>
> Have a small leak see a static spark or a switch spark or even a radio
> spark and you have a blow torch going under your dash!
>
> That Snojob fool gives me crap abut perfectly legal and 'normal' things
> and yet advocates breaking the law and using explosives in a Jeep.
>
> Mike
>

Mike,
I agree completely. I was just passing on something that I saw in the past.
I wasn't trying to insult you or your experience, just relaying and
experience I had.

I don't condone propane as a viable replacement either, except for Snojob.

Later,
Spdloader

Spdloader

> I was aware of how good propane is and how explosive thanks, hence my
> comment.
>
> The 'big' issue is that a 'very' 'very' common leak for AC systems in
> Jeeps is in the unit under the dash so the cab of the vehicle will fill up
> with the flammable gas. Light a cigarette or set of a static spark or
> spark with the door light switch even and you would be BBQ ed.
>
> Have a small leak see a static spark or a switch spark or even a radio
> spark and you have a blow torch going under your dash!
>
> That Snojob fool gives me crap abut perfectly legal and 'normal' things
> and yet advocates breaking the law and using explosives in a Jeep.
>
> Mike
>

Mike,
I agree completely. I was just passing on something that I saw in the past.
I wasn't trying to insult you or your experience, just relaying and
experience I had.

I don't condone propane as a viable replacement either, except for Snojob.

Later,
Spdloader

Spdloader

> I was aware of how good propane is and how explosive thanks, hence my
> comment.
>
> The 'big' issue is that a 'very' 'very' common leak for AC systems in
> Jeeps is in the unit under the dash so the cab of the vehicle will fill up
> with the flammable gas. Light a cigarette or set of a static spark or
> spark with the door light switch even and you would be BBQ ed.
>
> Have a small leak see a static spark or a switch spark or even a radio
> spark and you have a blow torch going under your dash!
>
> That Snojob fool gives me crap abut perfectly legal and 'normal' things
> and yet advocates breaking the law and using explosives in a Jeep.
>
> Mike
>

Mike,
I agree completely. I was just passing on something that I saw in the past.
I wasn't trying to insult you or your experience, just relaying and
experience I had.

I don't condone propane as a viable replacement either, except for Snojob.

Later,
Spdloader

Spdloader

"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message
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> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them.
>
> the boiling point is low making it an extremely efficient
> refrigerant.....but the potential for DEATH is to high to even consider it
> in this type of application. if a leak didnt exist, he wouldnt be needing
> refrigerant. knowing there is a leak and even considering a combustible
> is foolish at best.
>
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>

I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate, just telling what I saw in my A/C
class back in 1987.
Incidentally, neither was our instructor, but it was a very informative
class.
I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars.

By the way, when you coming back home?

Spdloader