I need R-12
06-01-2007, 04:04 PM
#121
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Re: I need R-12
nrs wrote:
> Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>
> Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.
There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
alternatives that are less destructive.
Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
:-)
Craig C.
> Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>
> Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.
There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
alternatives that are less destructive.
Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
:-)
Craig C.
06-01-2007, 04:48 PM
#122
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Re: I need R-12
On Jun 1, 3:04 pm, Craig Christian <mcraig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>
> > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
I agree. Improvise, adapt, and overcome.
> nrs wrote:
> > Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>
> > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
I agree. Improvise, adapt, and overcome.
06-01-2007, 04:48 PM
#123
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Re: I need R-12
On Jun 1, 3:04 pm, Craig Christian <mcraig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>
> > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
I agree. Improvise, adapt, and overcome.
> nrs wrote:
> > Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>
> > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
I agree. Improvise, adapt, and overcome.
06-01-2007, 04:48 PM
#124
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Re: I need R-12
On Jun 1, 3:04 pm, Craig Christian <mcraig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>
> > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
I agree. Improvise, adapt, and overcome.
> nrs wrote:
> > Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>
> > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
I agree. Improvise, adapt, and overcome.
06-01-2007, 04:48 PM
#125
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Re: I need R-12
On Jun 1, 3:04 pm, Craig Christian <mcraig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>
> > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
I agree. Improvise, adapt, and overcome.
> nrs wrote:
> > Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>
> > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
I agree. Improvise, adapt, and overcome.
06-01-2007, 06:09 PM
#126
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Re: Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>
>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>
>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>
>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
Duponts lobbying. Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his **** and
learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
and quite deadly in consentration while R12. R12a and propane is not
toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for
combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
about all of this of course.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>
>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>
>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>
>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
Duponts lobbying. Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his **** and
learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
and quite deadly in consentration while R12. R12a and propane is not
toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for
combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
about all of this of course.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
06-01-2007, 06:09 PM
#127
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Re: Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>
>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>
>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>
>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
Duponts lobbying. Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his **** and
learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
and quite deadly in consentration while R12. R12a and propane is not
toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for
combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
about all of this of course.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>
>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>
>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>
>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
Duponts lobbying. Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his **** and
learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
and quite deadly in consentration while R12. R12a and propane is not
toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for
combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
about all of this of course.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
06-01-2007, 06:09 PM
#128
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Re: Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>
>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>
>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>
>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
Duponts lobbying. Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his **** and
learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
and quite deadly in consentration while R12. R12a and propane is not
toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for
combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
about all of this of course.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>
>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>
>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>
>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
Duponts lobbying. Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his **** and
learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
and quite deadly in consentration while R12. R12a and propane is not
toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for
combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
about all of this of course.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
06-01-2007, 06:09 PM
#129
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Re: Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>
>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>
>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>
>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
Duponts lobbying. Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his **** and
learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
and quite deadly in consentration while R12. R12a and propane is not
toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for
combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
about all of this of course.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>
>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>
>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>
>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
Duponts lobbying. Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his **** and
learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
and quite deadly in consentration while R12. R12a and propane is not
toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for
combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
about all of this of course.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
06-01-2007, 06:10 PM
#130
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Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
Spdloader wrote:
>
>>
>> Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>> You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>> And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>> when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
>>
>
> Mike,
> Just a little tidbit of info.
> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C
> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants.
> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them.
> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already
> pressurized gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a
> dangerous environment.
>
> Now, that said, I love to jump on Snojob anytime he spews his nonsense, so
> I'm not getting into that, your statement just brought up an old memory.
The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
overnight or longer. Of course, the effects of breathing R134 from such a
leak in such a place are also unpleasant, but at least your house will
still be standing and the fire department won't be quite as troubled...
--
Will Honea
>
>>
>> Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>> You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>> And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>> when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
>>
>
> Mike,
> Just a little tidbit of info.
> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C
> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants.
> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them.
> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already
> pressurized gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a
> dangerous environment.
>
> Now, that said, I love to jump on Snojob anytime he spews his nonsense, so
> I'm not getting into that, your statement just brought up an old memory.
The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
overnight or longer. Of course, the effects of breathing R134 from such a
leak in such a place are also unpleasant, but at least your house will
still be standing and the fire department won't be quite as troubled...
--
Will Honea
