On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:49:09 -0700, "Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com>
wrote:

>Lloyd parker parker@learnlink.emory.edu started this mess. See
>http://tinyurl.com/xrz7 for a look at over 55 thousand messages. To this
>day, probably two months later, him and other people are keeping this way OT
>thread alive and clogging our newsgroups with THOUSANDS of messages. It is
>time to kill this or take it elsewhere!
>Lloyd has already being reported to his university and the other people who
>keep posting multiple times are also slowly being reported to their
>according abuse@ addresses. for example, abuse@mci abuse@umich abuse@rogers
>(you know who you are) and a few others. We at Jeep+****** newsgroup are
>fed up and fighting back. I would guess many people are going to start
>having isp problems unless they quit this abuse. On the other hand, I have
>no problem if they just start maybe a yahoo group or someplace they can
>argue tell their blue. Steve, I don't know what newsgroup you originate
>from but I appreciate your interest and support.
>Nick

Do you get to speak for rthe Jeep+****** newsgroup?
You have not yet demonstrated that no one who uses that newsgroup
responds here, or that no one there wants the thread to continue.

--
Bill Funk
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:49:09 -0700, "Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com>
wrote:

>Lloyd parker parker@learnlink.emory.edu started this mess. See
>http://tinyurl.com/xrz7 for a look at over 55 thousand messages. To this
>day, probably two months later, him and other people are keeping this way OT
>thread alive and clogging our newsgroups with THOUSANDS of messages. It is
>time to kill this or take it elsewhere!
>Lloyd has already being reported to his university and the other people who
>keep posting multiple times are also slowly being reported to their
>according abuse@ addresses. for example, abuse@mci abuse@umich abuse@rogers
>(you know who you are) and a few others. We at Jeep+****** newsgroup are
>fed up and fighting back. I would guess many people are going to start
>having isp problems unless they quit this abuse. On the other hand, I have
>no problem if they just start maybe a yahoo group or someplace they can
>argue tell their blue. Steve, I don't know what newsgroup you originate
>from but I appreciate your interest and support.
>Nick

Do you get to speak for rthe Jeep+****** newsgroup?
You have not yet demonstrated that no one who uses that newsgroup
responds here, or that no one there wants the thread to continue.

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:49:09 -0700, "Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com>
wrote:

>Lloyd parker parker@learnlink.emory.edu started this mess. See
>http://tinyurl.com/xrz7 for a look at over 55 thousand messages. To this
>day, probably two months later, him and other people are keeping this way OT
>thread alive and clogging our newsgroups with THOUSANDS of messages. It is
>time to kill this or take it elsewhere!
>Lloyd has already being reported to his university and the other people who
>keep posting multiple times are also slowly being reported to their
>according abuse@ addresses. for example, abuse@mci abuse@umich abuse@rogers
>(you know who you are) and a few others. We at Jeep+****** newsgroup are
>fed up and fighting back. I would guess many people are going to start
>having isp problems unless they quit this abuse. On the other hand, I have
>no problem if they just start maybe a yahoo group or someplace they can
>argue tell their blue. Steve, I don't know what newsgroup you originate
>from but I appreciate your interest and support.
>Nick

Do you get to speak for rthe Jeep+****** newsgroup?
You have not yet demonstrated that no one who uses that newsgroup
responds here, or that no one there wants the thread to continue.

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:27:03 -0700, "Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com>
wrote:

>Please stop your crossposting! This has gone on to long!

The word is "too", not "to".
Why do *you* get to determine when "too long" is?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:27:03 -0700, "Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com>
wrote:

>Please stop your crossposting! This has gone on to long!

The word is "too", not "to".
Why do *you* get to determine when "too long" is?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:27:03 -0700, "Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com>
wrote:

>Please stop your crossposting! This has gone on to long!

The word is "too", not "to".
Why do *you* get to determine when "too long" is?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
news:7dc396f584336d32b246a944411c15de@news.teranew s.com...
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:16:23 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
> >And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues
unabaited.
> >To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
> >countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You
get
> >reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but
the
> >system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting
list,
> >and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
> >treatment.
>
> It's not quite that simple. If you need a procedure, they evaluate
> how urgent it is. If it's extremely urgent you get bumped to the top
> of the list. If it's not so urgent, you get on the waiting list and
> get done after others who have been waiting longer are processed. If
> you don't want to wait and can afford it, you go to somewhere that you
> can pay for the procedure, which is down south. A great system if
> you're wealthy.
>
> I know that no matter what happens, if I blow out my knee I'm going to
> get an MRI. It may take 8 weeks, but I'll get it and it won't cost me
> anything extra. Can you say the same thing?

I have a friend who went to the Doctor for a routine physical. The Doctor
did not like whaat he saw on the treadmill test and checked him into the
hospital, where he had a balloon angioplasty that same afternoon. How long
would he have waited "on the list" in Canada for the same treatment,
considering he was outwardly healthy and active. Would he have lived that
long? How could he have been sure?
I know if I need medical treatment I can get it, NOW, now later. To me, that
is important. I really don't care how Canada does it, if you're happy great.
I'm just against Lloyd and his cronies trying to change ours, which would
stifle it, and lower the quaility of care for everyone, including Canadians.

 

"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
news:7dc396f584336d32b246a944411c15de@news.teranew s.com...
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:16:23 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
> >And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues
unabaited.
> >To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
> >countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You
get
> >reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but
the
> >system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting
list,
> >and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
> >treatment.
>
> It's not quite that simple. If you need a procedure, they evaluate
> how urgent it is. If it's extremely urgent you get bumped to the top
> of the list. If it's not so urgent, you get on the waiting list and
> get done after others who have been waiting longer are processed. If
> you don't want to wait and can afford it, you go to somewhere that you
> can pay for the procedure, which is down south. A great system if
> you're wealthy.
>
> I know that no matter what happens, if I blow out my knee I'm going to
> get an MRI. It may take 8 weeks, but I'll get it and it won't cost me
> anything extra. Can you say the same thing?

I have a friend who went to the Doctor for a routine physical. The Doctor
did not like whaat he saw on the treadmill test and checked him into the
hospital, where he had a balloon angioplasty that same afternoon. How long
would he have waited "on the list" in Canada for the same treatment,
considering he was outwardly healthy and active. Would he have lived that
long? How could he have been sure?
I know if I need medical treatment I can get it, NOW, now later. To me, that
is important. I really don't care how Canada does it, if you're happy great.
I'm just against Lloyd and his cronies trying to change ours, which would
stifle it, and lower the quaility of care for everyone, including Canadians.

 

"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
news:7dc396f584336d32b246a944411c15de@news.teranew s.com...
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:16:23 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
> >And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues
unabaited.
> >To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
> >countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You
get
> >reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but
the
> >system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting
list,
> >and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
> >treatment.
>
> It's not quite that simple. If you need a procedure, they evaluate
> how urgent it is. If it's extremely urgent you get bumped to the top
> of the list. If it's not so urgent, you get on the waiting list and
> get done after others who have been waiting longer are processed. If
> you don't want to wait and can afford it, you go to somewhere that you
> can pay for the procedure, which is down south. A great system if
> you're wealthy.
>
> I know that no matter what happens, if I blow out my knee I'm going to
> get an MRI. It may take 8 weeks, but I'll get it and it won't cost me
> anything extra. Can you say the same thing?

I have a friend who went to the Doctor for a routine physical. The Doctor
did not like whaat he saw on the treadmill test and checked him into the
hospital, where he had a balloon angioplasty that same afternoon. How long
would he have waited "on the list" in Canada for the same treatment,
considering he was outwardly healthy and active. Would he have lived that
long? How could he have been sure?
I know if I need medical treatment I can get it, NOW, now later. To me, that
is important. I really don't care how Canada does it, if you're happy great.
I'm just against Lloyd and his cronies trying to change ours, which would
stifle it, and lower the quaility of care for everyone, including Canadians.

 

On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:23:56 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>>Marriage, in our culture (Judeo/Christian) has been historically
>
>But the US government, not being JudeoChristian or any religion, should not
>reflect religious bias, should it?

Depends on how you look at it.
The government is made up of 'the people'.
Those people's lives are, at least in part, shaped by their religion.
To expect their government to be completely divorced from that
religion (whatever religion it is, or even the combination of
religions it is here) is being unrealistic. It's asking the people to
ignore what they believe in.

It is a goal of our government, at this time, to attempt to divorce
itself from all religion. Is that good?
How can we expect our government to come up with laws that have no
base? No anchor at all? How can we possibly expect to base our laws on
the human experience, and then expect to deny a large part of that
experience?

I'm not proposing a theocracy, but I do think that trying to deny all
religious beliefs is simply impossible, and, as such, should be
recognized.

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"