On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:04:32 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <3fce1e95.263879672@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com >,
> mielkman@excite.com (John Mielke) wrote:
>>On Wed, 03 Dec 03 10:54:53 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <2c7qsvgrtldnv0d50g0u57c2j0cadcc7if@4ax.com>,
>>> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 02 Dec 03 15:37:02 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <Us5zb.282500$275.1000782@attbi_s53>,
>>>>> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>>>>>In article <bqinb6$him$8@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, it'd be terrible if everybody were covered and we spent less on
>>>>>health
>>>>>>> care, as Europe, Canada, and Japan do, wouldn't it? Terrible for
>>>insurance
>>>>>>> companies, drug companies, HMOs, etc, that is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How would we spend "less on health care" ? Instead of paying for health
>>>>>>insurance we would pay *AT LEAST* that much in additional taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Why is it, then, that every western European nation, plus Canada and
>Japan,
>>>>>spend less per capita on health care than the US yet still cover
>everybody?
>>>>
>>>>Lloyd, you might want to do a Google search on the keywords:
>>>>canadian health care problems
>>>>This would let you see reality instead of the utopia your liberal
>>>>friends promise.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Oh great, he wants me to absorb his right-wing propaganda.
>>>
>>>Try this:
>>>
>>>http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.e...cs/HealthCare/
>Co
>>>nsumerReports-Sep92.html.gz#Does%20Canada%20Have%20The%20Answer?
>>
>>
>>So now a simple google search is "right-wing propaganda"? Every one
>>of 2,280,000 pages is right wing? No wonder people have such a low
>>opinion of you.
>
>If you cite right-web web sites, and medical-insurance-drug industry sites,
>then, yes, they're propaganda. Consumer Reports analyzed the health care
>situation from a consumer's point of view.

I didn't cite anything.
I simply advised you to do a Google search.
You really need to stop seeing yourself as being persecuted. Reality
would be a nice change. Do you really think Google is dominated by
right-wingers?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:04:32 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <3fce1e95.263879672@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com >,
> mielkman@excite.com (John Mielke) wrote:
>>On Wed, 03 Dec 03 10:54:53 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <2c7qsvgrtldnv0d50g0u57c2j0cadcc7if@4ax.com>,
>>> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 02 Dec 03 15:37:02 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <Us5zb.282500$275.1000782@attbi_s53>,
>>>>> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>>>>>In article <bqinb6$him$8@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, it'd be terrible if everybody were covered and we spent less on
>>>>>health
>>>>>>> care, as Europe, Canada, and Japan do, wouldn't it? Terrible for
>>>insurance
>>>>>>> companies, drug companies, HMOs, etc, that is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How would we spend "less on health care" ? Instead of paying for health
>>>>>>insurance we would pay *AT LEAST* that much in additional taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Why is it, then, that every western European nation, plus Canada and
>Japan,
>>>>>spend less per capita on health care than the US yet still cover
>everybody?
>>>>
>>>>Lloyd, you might want to do a Google search on the keywords:
>>>>canadian health care problems
>>>>This would let you see reality instead of the utopia your liberal
>>>>friends promise.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Oh great, he wants me to absorb his right-wing propaganda.
>>>
>>>Try this:
>>>
>>>http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.e...cs/HealthCare/
>Co
>>>nsumerReports-Sep92.html.gz#Does%20Canada%20Have%20The%20Answer?
>>
>>
>>So now a simple google search is "right-wing propaganda"? Every one
>>of 2,280,000 pages is right wing? No wonder people have such a low
>>opinion of you.
>
>If you cite right-web web sites, and medical-insurance-drug industry sites,
>then, yes, they're propaganda. Consumer Reports analyzed the health care
>situation from a consumer's point of view.

I didn't cite anything.
I simply advised you to do a Google search.
You really need to stop seeing yourself as being persecuted. Reality
would be a nice change. Do you really think Google is dominated by
right-wingers?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:20:24 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <6atssv4pjatpjf2bmiqc1jv17o0dnte89l@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 03 Dec 03 10:54:53 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <2c7qsvgrtldnv0d50g0u57c2j0cadcc7if@4ax.com>,
>>> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 02 Dec 03 15:37:02 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <Us5zb.282500$275.1000782@attbi_s53>,
>>>>> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>>>>>In article <bqinb6$him$8@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, it'd be terrible if everybody were covered and we spent less on
>>>>>health
>>>>>>> care, as Europe, Canada, and Japan do, wouldn't it? Terrible for
>>>insurance
>>>>>>> companies, drug companies, HMOs, etc, that is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How would we spend "less on health care" ? Instead of paying for health
>>>>>>insurance we would pay *AT LEAST* that much in additional taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Why is it, then, that every western European nation, plus Canada and
>Japan,
>>>>>spend less per capita on health care than the US yet still cover
>everybody?
>>>>
>>>>Lloyd, you might want to do a Google search on the keywords:
>>>>canadian health care problems
>>>>This would let you see reality instead of the utopia your liberal
>>>>friends promise.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Oh great, he wants me to absorb his right-wing propaganda.
>>>
>>>Try this:
>>>
>>>http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.e...cs/HealthCare/
>Co
>>>nsumerReports-Sep92.html.gz#Does%20Canada%20Have%20The%20Answer?
>>
>>Consumer Reports???
>>You've GOT to be kidding.
>>
>Why is it all the right-wing Taliban here would believe anything an HMO or
>drug company tells them but reject the main voice for the consumer?

Lloyd, you must be on drugs. The illegal kind.
CR is "the main voice for the consumer"??
Where did you get that from??
No wonder you're the laughing stock you are.
Anytime you want to step out of that ivory tower you live in and join
the real world, you're welcome. Be prepared for a shock, though.

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:20:24 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <6atssv4pjatpjf2bmiqc1jv17o0dnte89l@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 03 Dec 03 10:54:53 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <2c7qsvgrtldnv0d50g0u57c2j0cadcc7if@4ax.com>,
>>> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 02 Dec 03 15:37:02 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <Us5zb.282500$275.1000782@attbi_s53>,
>>>>> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>>>>>In article <bqinb6$him$8@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, it'd be terrible if everybody were covered and we spent less on
>>>>>health
>>>>>>> care, as Europe, Canada, and Japan do, wouldn't it? Terrible for
>>>insurance
>>>>>>> companies, drug companies, HMOs, etc, that is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How would we spend "less on health care" ? Instead of paying for health
>>>>>>insurance we would pay *AT LEAST* that much in additional taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Why is it, then, that every western European nation, plus Canada and
>Japan,
>>>>>spend less per capita on health care than the US yet still cover
>everybody?
>>>>
>>>>Lloyd, you might want to do a Google search on the keywords:
>>>>canadian health care problems
>>>>This would let you see reality instead of the utopia your liberal
>>>>friends promise.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Oh great, he wants me to absorb his right-wing propaganda.
>>>
>>>Try this:
>>>
>>>http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.e...cs/HealthCare/
>Co
>>>nsumerReports-Sep92.html.gz#Does%20Canada%20Have%20The%20Answer?
>>
>>Consumer Reports???
>>You've GOT to be kidding.
>>
>Why is it all the right-wing Taliban here would believe anything an HMO or
>drug company tells them but reject the main voice for the consumer?

Lloyd, you must be on drugs. The illegal kind.
CR is "the main voice for the consumer"??
Where did you get that from??
No wonder you're the laughing stock you are.
Anytime you want to step out of that ivory tower you live in and join
the real world, you're welcome. Be prepared for a shock, though.

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:20:24 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <6atssv4pjatpjf2bmiqc1jv17o0dnte89l@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 03 Dec 03 10:54:53 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <2c7qsvgrtldnv0d50g0u57c2j0cadcc7if@4ax.com>,
>>> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 02 Dec 03 15:37:02 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <Us5zb.282500$275.1000782@attbi_s53>,
>>>>> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>>>>>In article <bqinb6$him$8@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, it'd be terrible if everybody were covered and we spent less on
>>>>>health
>>>>>>> care, as Europe, Canada, and Japan do, wouldn't it? Terrible for
>>>insurance
>>>>>>> companies, drug companies, HMOs, etc, that is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How would we spend "less on health care" ? Instead of paying for health
>>>>>>insurance we would pay *AT LEAST* that much in additional taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Why is it, then, that every western European nation, plus Canada and
>Japan,
>>>>>spend less per capita on health care than the US yet still cover
>everybody?
>>>>
>>>>Lloyd, you might want to do a Google search on the keywords:
>>>>canadian health care problems
>>>>This would let you see reality instead of the utopia your liberal
>>>>friends promise.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Oh great, he wants me to absorb his right-wing propaganda.
>>>
>>>Try this:
>>>
>>>http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.e...cs/HealthCare/
>Co
>>>nsumerReports-Sep92.html.gz#Does%20Canada%20Have%20The%20Answer?
>>
>>Consumer Reports???
>>You've GOT to be kidding.
>>
>Why is it all the right-wing Taliban here would believe anything an HMO or
>drug company tells them but reject the main voice for the consumer?

Lloyd, you must be on drugs. The illegal kind.
CR is "the main voice for the consumer"??
Where did you get that from??
No wonder you're the laughing stock you are.
Anytime you want to step out of that ivory tower you live in and join
the real world, you're welcome. Be prepared for a shock, though.

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:30:46 -0500, Dan Gates
<dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote:

>Lets compare, shall we?
> Can. US
>Life expectancy at birth? 82.7 66.9

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lifexpec.htm
http://www.retirelink.com/education/LifeExpectancy.html
http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-life.html
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005148.html

Google shows much more of the same.
Where did 66.9 come from?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:30:46 -0500, Dan Gates
<dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote:

>Lets compare, shall we?
> Can. US
>Life expectancy at birth? 82.7 66.9

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lifexpec.htm
http://www.retirelink.com/education/LifeExpectancy.html
http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-life.html
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005148.html

Google shows much more of the same.
Where did 66.9 come from?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:30:46 -0500, Dan Gates
<dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote:

>Lets compare, shall we?
> Can. US
>Life expectancy at birth? 82.7 66.9

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lifexpec.htm
http://www.retirelink.com/education/LifeExpectancy.html
http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-life.html
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005148.html

Google shows much more of the same.
Where did 66.9 come from?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:55:00 -0500, Dan Gates
<dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote:

>Let me just add:
> Can US
>
>
>Infant mortality/ 1,000
>live births 5 7
>
>Prob. of dying/1,000
>Age 5, Males 6 8
>Age 5, Females 5 8
>
>Age 15-59, Males 104 148
>Age 15-59, Females 59 85

Point out, while you're at it, that these figures say absolutely
nothing about health care, one way or another.

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:55:00 -0500, Dan Gates
<dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote:

>Let me just add:
> Can US
>
>
>Infant mortality/ 1,000
>live births 5 7
>
>Prob. of dying/1,000
>Age 5, Males 6 8
>Age 5, Females 5 8
>
>Age 15-59, Males 104 148
>Age 15-59, Females 59 85

Point out, while you're at it, that these figures say absolutely
nothing about health care, one way or another.

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"