Lloyd Parker wrote:

> A 68 Charger puts out over 100X the emissions of a new car, so it's foolish to
> claim it's "indistinguishable" from one.

_Virtually_ indistinguishable--when both are _also_ compared to a gross polluter,
which puts out, by definition, far, far more than either.

--Aardwolf.

 

Lloyd Parker wrote:

> A 68 Charger puts out over 100X the emissions of a new car, so it's foolish to
> claim it's "indistinguishable" from one.

_Virtually_ indistinguishable--when both are _also_ compared to a gross polluter,
which puts out, by definition, far, far more than either.

--Aardwolf.

 

Lloyd Parker wrote:

> A 68 Charger puts out over 100X the emissions of a new car, so it's foolish to
> claim it's "indistinguishable" from one.

_Virtually_ indistinguishable--when both are _also_ compared to a gross polluter,
which puts out, by definition, far, far more than either.

--Aardwolf.

 

The 5.7L V8 is the latest descendant of the mighty Chevy smallblock 350ci.

they can be modified to over 1000 Hp and still be drivable streetlegal.

the 3.8 started as a USA GM engine, but a factory was built in Aussie and
R&D changed it, it doesn't interchange well with stock USA GM parts that
well now, but theres plenty of support in Aussie for them. the 5L and 5.7L
are stock Chevys from Chevs plants in the states. plenty of parts if they
bring Holdens stateside.

rhys

"Aardwolf" <se1aard1@itis.com> wrote in message
news:3F95EA40.41ED53E0@itis.com...
>
>
> rnf2 wrote:
>
> > Built in Australia, sold in Australia and New Zealand and a few other
RHD
> > countries.
> > Smallest engine in one is 3.8L V6, and goes up to a 5.7L V8. and even
the
> > 3.8 can tow 2000Kg, or 4000+ pounds, V8 is up to 3500Kg or so, 7000+
pounds.
> > www.holden.com.au and www.ford.com.au
> > They're big cargo haulers, and very popular with farmers, very reliable
and
> > can take some pretty harsh terrain and climate without flinching.
> > very popular with farmers, and can carry 8 people in the station wagons.
> > with a big boot (trunk) still.
> >
> > Commador is the entry level car, then the higher specced Berlina and the
> > luxary Calais.
> > then comes the SS, and HSV performance cars.
> >
> > rhys
>
> Also sold in mid east countries as Chevrolets with left hand drive--in any
case
> they use totally U.S. drivetrains (engines/transmissions) and can easily
pass
> U.S. safety requirements as well. The new Pontiac GTO is a Holden Monaro
coupe
> with different badges. Thanks in large part to union interference GM-U.S.
keeps
> refusing to import any more mainline sedan models, but they'd doubtless
eat all
> of the domestic competition as it is now. They'd be 350-horsepower family
> sedans for as little as $20K U.S.
>
> The Commodore line and variants come with Corvette engines of up to 350
> horsepower (or just over 400 for the HSV-modified versions) and can still
touch
> 30mpg (U.S.) on the highway with a 6-speed overdrive--or they can be had
with
> smaller V6 powerplants. The long-wheelbase Statesman (mid east "Chevrolet
> Caprice") would be a superb replacement for the last U.S. models of that
name,
> almost exactly the same size and layout, but incrementally improved
(newer, even
> more powerful engines, independent rear suspension, etc.).
>
> I believe the top-line HSV GTS is already sold in the U.K. as a counter to
the
> BMW E5, and rumors keep popping up that one of the higher line Commodore
models
> (Calais most likely) might be introduced there as a replacement for the
last
> rear drive Opel Omegas.
>
> --Aardwolf.
>

 

The 5.7L V8 is the latest descendant of the mighty Chevy smallblock 350ci.

they can be modified to over 1000 Hp and still be drivable streetlegal.

the 3.8 started as a USA GM engine, but a factory was built in Aussie and
R&D changed it, it doesn't interchange well with stock USA GM parts that
well now, but theres plenty of support in Aussie for them. the 5L and 5.7L
are stock Chevys from Chevs plants in the states. plenty of parts if they
bring Holdens stateside.

rhys

"Aardwolf" <se1aard1@itis.com> wrote in message
news:3F95EA40.41ED53E0@itis.com...
>
>
> rnf2 wrote:
>
> > Built in Australia, sold in Australia and New Zealand and a few other
RHD
> > countries.
> > Smallest engine in one is 3.8L V6, and goes up to a 5.7L V8. and even
the
> > 3.8 can tow 2000Kg, or 4000+ pounds, V8 is up to 3500Kg or so, 7000+
pounds.
> > www.holden.com.au and www.ford.com.au
> > They're big cargo haulers, and very popular with farmers, very reliable
and
> > can take some pretty harsh terrain and climate without flinching.
> > very popular with farmers, and can carry 8 people in the station wagons.
> > with a big boot (trunk) still.
> >
> > Commador is the entry level car, then the higher specced Berlina and the
> > luxary Calais.
> > then comes the SS, and HSV performance cars.
> >
> > rhys
>
> Also sold in mid east countries as Chevrolets with left hand drive--in any
case
> they use totally U.S. drivetrains (engines/transmissions) and can easily
pass
> U.S. safety requirements as well. The new Pontiac GTO is a Holden Monaro
coupe
> with different badges. Thanks in large part to union interference GM-U.S.
keeps
> refusing to import any more mainline sedan models, but they'd doubtless
eat all
> of the domestic competition as it is now. They'd be 350-horsepower family
> sedans for as little as $20K U.S.
>
> The Commodore line and variants come with Corvette engines of up to 350
> horsepower (or just over 400 for the HSV-modified versions) and can still
touch
> 30mpg (U.S.) on the highway with a 6-speed overdrive--or they can be had
with
> smaller V6 powerplants. The long-wheelbase Statesman (mid east "Chevrolet
> Caprice") would be a superb replacement for the last U.S. models of that
name,
> almost exactly the same size and layout, but incrementally improved
(newer, even
> more powerful engines, independent rear suspension, etc.).
>
> I believe the top-line HSV GTS is already sold in the U.K. as a counter to
the
> BMW E5, and rumors keep popping up that one of the higher line Commodore
models
> (Calais most likely) might be introduced there as a replacement for the
last
> rear drive Opel Omegas.
>
> --Aardwolf.
>

 

The 5.7L V8 is the latest descendant of the mighty Chevy smallblock 350ci.

they can be modified to over 1000 Hp and still be drivable streetlegal.

the 3.8 started as a USA GM engine, but a factory was built in Aussie and
R&D changed it, it doesn't interchange well with stock USA GM parts that
well now, but theres plenty of support in Aussie for them. the 5L and 5.7L
are stock Chevys from Chevs plants in the states. plenty of parts if they
bring Holdens stateside.

rhys

"Aardwolf" <se1aard1@itis.com> wrote in message
news:3F95EA40.41ED53E0@itis.com...
>
>
> rnf2 wrote:
>
> > Built in Australia, sold in Australia and New Zealand and a few other
RHD
> > countries.
> > Smallest engine in one is 3.8L V6, and goes up to a 5.7L V8. and even
the
> > 3.8 can tow 2000Kg, or 4000+ pounds, V8 is up to 3500Kg or so, 7000+
pounds.
> > www.holden.com.au and www.ford.com.au
> > They're big cargo haulers, and very popular with farmers, very reliable
and
> > can take some pretty harsh terrain and climate without flinching.
> > very popular with farmers, and can carry 8 people in the station wagons.
> > with a big boot (trunk) still.
> >
> > Commador is the entry level car, then the higher specced Berlina and the
> > luxary Calais.
> > then comes the SS, and HSV performance cars.
> >
> > rhys
>
> Also sold in mid east countries as Chevrolets with left hand drive--in any
case
> they use totally U.S. drivetrains (engines/transmissions) and can easily
pass
> U.S. safety requirements as well. The new Pontiac GTO is a Holden Monaro
coupe
> with different badges. Thanks in large part to union interference GM-U.S.
keeps
> refusing to import any more mainline sedan models, but they'd doubtless
eat all
> of the domestic competition as it is now. They'd be 350-horsepower family
> sedans for as little as $20K U.S.
>
> The Commodore line and variants come with Corvette engines of up to 350
> horsepower (or just over 400 for the HSV-modified versions) and can still
touch
> 30mpg (U.S.) on the highway with a 6-speed overdrive--or they can be had
with
> smaller V6 powerplants. The long-wheelbase Statesman (mid east "Chevrolet
> Caprice") would be a superb replacement for the last U.S. models of that
name,
> almost exactly the same size and layout, but incrementally improved
(newer, even
> more powerful engines, independent rear suspension, etc.).
>
> I believe the top-line HSV GTS is already sold in the U.K. as a counter to
the
> BMW E5, and rumors keep popping up that one of the higher line Commodore
models
> (Calais most likely) might be introduced there as a replacement for the
last
> rear drive Opel Omegas.
>
> --Aardwolf.
>

 

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> "Bill Funk" <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:j125pvsmhb5lf23c37195irqubf---rh03@4ax.com...
> >
> > But Billy Bob has to do all that, too, and the flea-driver *does* gat
> > the break you want him to have, simply because he doesn't use (and pay
> > for) the expendables that Billy Bob is paying for.
>
> That is a point. However, it's not that strong a point and here is why.
> For
> starters, when we are talking expendables, the only ones that really matter
> here are fuel, as vehicle fuel dwarfs the expendable consumption of every
> other expendable on the vehicle. So let's be honest and say gas/fuel.
>
> In the world, (not just the US) just about every non-mideast country is a
> net importer of oil. There are a few notable exceptions of course, but
> they don't set the world oil price, OPEC does.
>
> So here is the problem from the US's side. Every barrel of oil
> consumed that is over the US max production is subject to
> artifical price control by OPEC, which is accomplished by artifical
> limiting of the oil supply. Simply put, that price control is bad for
> the US's economy. The upshot is that even though Billy Bob might have
> to pay more for fuel, the fact that he is consuming more fuel and
> thus helping to increase the oil demand past what the US can supply
> makes prices rise for ALL fuel purchasers.

And more drilling ain't gonna be enough to help once India and China (at a
billion plus inhabitants a piece) become modern, G7-style industrial nations.
Which they're just about to do.

--Aardwolf.

 

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> "Bill Funk" <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:j125pvsmhb5lf23c37195irqubf---rh03@4ax.com...
> >
> > But Billy Bob has to do all that, too, and the flea-driver *does* gat
> > the break you want him to have, simply because he doesn't use (and pay
> > for) the expendables that Billy Bob is paying for.
>
> That is a point. However, it's not that strong a point and here is why.
> For
> starters, when we are talking expendables, the only ones that really matter
> here are fuel, as vehicle fuel dwarfs the expendable consumption of every
> other expendable on the vehicle. So let's be honest and say gas/fuel.
>
> In the world, (not just the US) just about every non-mideast country is a
> net importer of oil. There are a few notable exceptions of course, but
> they don't set the world oil price, OPEC does.
>
> So here is the problem from the US's side. Every barrel of oil
> consumed that is over the US max production is subject to
> artifical price control by OPEC, which is accomplished by artifical
> limiting of the oil supply. Simply put, that price control is bad for
> the US's economy. The upshot is that even though Billy Bob might have
> to pay more for fuel, the fact that he is consuming more fuel and
> thus helping to increase the oil demand past what the US can supply
> makes prices rise for ALL fuel purchasers.

And more drilling ain't gonna be enough to help once India and China (at a
billion plus inhabitants a piece) become modern, G7-style industrial nations.
Which they're just about to do.

--Aardwolf.

 

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> "Bill Funk" <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:j125pvsmhb5lf23c37195irqubf---rh03@4ax.com...
> >
> > But Billy Bob has to do all that, too, and the flea-driver *does* gat
> > the break you want him to have, simply because he doesn't use (and pay
> > for) the expendables that Billy Bob is paying for.
>
> That is a point. However, it's not that strong a point and here is why.
> For
> starters, when we are talking expendables, the only ones that really matter
> here are fuel, as vehicle fuel dwarfs the expendable consumption of every
> other expendable on the vehicle. So let's be honest and say gas/fuel.
>
> In the world, (not just the US) just about every non-mideast country is a
> net importer of oil. There are a few notable exceptions of course, but
> they don't set the world oil price, OPEC does.
>
> So here is the problem from the US's side. Every barrel of oil
> consumed that is over the US max production is subject to
> artifical price control by OPEC, which is accomplished by artifical
> limiting of the oil supply. Simply put, that price control is bad for
> the US's economy. The upshot is that even though Billy Bob might have
> to pay more for fuel, the fact that he is consuming more fuel and
> thus helping to increase the oil demand past what the US can supply
> makes prices rise for ALL fuel purchasers.

And more drilling ain't gonna be enough to help once India and China (at a
billion plus inhabitants a piece) become modern, G7-style industrial nations.
Which they're just about to do.

--Aardwolf.

 

About that much of the 2x4 and 4x4 timber but not the sheets on the top...

damn stupid chap that. cheaper to hire a U-Haul than replace a car.

rhys

"Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message
news:bn4f4s$sq0rt$1@ID-55124.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Around 10/21/2003 3:22 PM, rnf2 wrote:
>
> > loads of timber that would bust an ecnonboxes sustpension,
>
> Like this?
>
> http://www.snopes.com/photos/lumber.asp ;)
>
>
> --
> ~/Garth
>