How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
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Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
In message <moomesa-66C26C.09120610112003@corp.newsfeeds.com>, "Jeepers" wrote:
>In article <t98uqv80pmqnu5ulgi792b2biqec66cuga@4ax.com>,
> bllsht <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote:
>
>> If my wife was going to be driving it, and the steering was unsafe,
>> you can bet I wouldn't be here asking stupid ------- questions.
>>
>I'm so glad you are so independantly wealthy you can afford to just
>throw money at it, good for you.
Wealth has nothing to do with it. Can you put a price tag on your wife's
safety?
>
>> If I didn't have the knowledge and ability to fix it, somebody who
>> did would have already fixed it, and been paid for it.
>
>Knowledge is what I am HERE for. Are you not offering any?
Nope.
>Ability:
>http://sprite.viptx.net/~moomesa/NEWJEEP.html
>what have YOU built lately?
OK, I'll admit it. you're good with a spray can. Could possibly be color blind
though...
>
>> It's one thing to send your wife out to kill herself in it. The
>> problem is, she'd likely take somebody else with her. Possibly
>> somebody I care about.
>>
>> Not acceptable.
>
>1) Not acceptable. You evaded the question. Where would you start?
>Tires? Shims? Springs? Steering Box? Frame Alignment? Where?
No evading at all. You asked, and I told you where I'd start.
>2) If you are trying to help, then help, otherwise keep it to yourself.
>Criticizm isn't help. Put up or shut up.
If you don't want to hear it, don't ask. Shutting up is not an option.
>
>3) At least I'm here trying to get answers. Since I live in the
>country, more than 90 miles from any major shop, I use this forum to
>gather as much info as possible. And since I'm capable of doing much of
>the work myself, the info I get here is a great deal of help. Thanks to
>the effort of other posters here, even Bill.
>
>
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>In article <t98uqv80pmqnu5ulgi792b2biqec66cuga@4ax.com>,
> bllsht <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote:
>
>> If my wife was going to be driving it, and the steering was unsafe,
>> you can bet I wouldn't be here asking stupid ------- questions.
>>
>I'm so glad you are so independantly wealthy you can afford to just
>throw money at it, good for you.
Wealth has nothing to do with it. Can you put a price tag on your wife's
safety?
>
>> If I didn't have the knowledge and ability to fix it, somebody who
>> did would have already fixed it, and been paid for it.
>
>Knowledge is what I am HERE for. Are you not offering any?
Nope.
>Ability:
>http://sprite.viptx.net/~moomesa/NEWJEEP.html
>what have YOU built lately?
OK, I'll admit it. you're good with a spray can. Could possibly be color blind
though...
>
>> It's one thing to send your wife out to kill herself in it. The
>> problem is, she'd likely take somebody else with her. Possibly
>> somebody I care about.
>>
>> Not acceptable.
>
>1) Not acceptable. You evaded the question. Where would you start?
>Tires? Shims? Springs? Steering Box? Frame Alignment? Where?
No evading at all. You asked, and I told you where I'd start.
>2) If you are trying to help, then help, otherwise keep it to yourself.
>Criticizm isn't help. Put up or shut up.
If you don't want to hear it, don't ask. Shutting up is not an option.
>
>3) At least I'm here trying to get answers. Since I live in the
>country, more than 90 miles from any major shop, I use this forum to
>gather as much info as possible. And since I'm capable of doing much of
>the work myself, the info I get here is a great deal of help. Thanks to
>the effort of other posters here, even Bill.
>
>
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Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
In message <moomesa-66C26C.09120610112003@corp.newsfeeds.com>, "Jeepers" wrote:
>In article <t98uqv80pmqnu5ulgi792b2biqec66cuga@4ax.com>,
> bllsht <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote:
>
>> If my wife was going to be driving it, and the steering was unsafe,
>> you can bet I wouldn't be here asking stupid ------- questions.
>>
>I'm so glad you are so independantly wealthy you can afford to just
>throw money at it, good for you.
Wealth has nothing to do with it. Can you put a price tag on your wife's
safety?
>
>> If I didn't have the knowledge and ability to fix it, somebody who
>> did would have already fixed it, and been paid for it.
>
>Knowledge is what I am HERE for. Are you not offering any?
Nope.
>Ability:
>http://sprite.viptx.net/~moomesa/NEWJEEP.html
>what have YOU built lately?
OK, I'll admit it. you're good with a spray can. Could possibly be color blind
though...
>
>> It's one thing to send your wife out to kill herself in it. The
>> problem is, she'd likely take somebody else with her. Possibly
>> somebody I care about.
>>
>> Not acceptable.
>
>1) Not acceptable. You evaded the question. Where would you start?
>Tires? Shims? Springs? Steering Box? Frame Alignment? Where?
No evading at all. You asked, and I told you where I'd start.
>2) If you are trying to help, then help, otherwise keep it to yourself.
>Criticizm isn't help. Put up or shut up.
If you don't want to hear it, don't ask. Shutting up is not an option.
>
>3) At least I'm here trying to get answers. Since I live in the
>country, more than 90 miles from any major shop, I use this forum to
>gather as much info as possible. And since I'm capable of doing much of
>the work myself, the info I get here is a great deal of help. Thanks to
>the effort of other posters here, even Bill.
>
>
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>In article <t98uqv80pmqnu5ulgi792b2biqec66cuga@4ax.com>,
> bllsht <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote:
>
>> If my wife was going to be driving it, and the steering was unsafe,
>> you can bet I wouldn't be here asking stupid ------- questions.
>>
>I'm so glad you are so independantly wealthy you can afford to just
>throw money at it, good for you.
Wealth has nothing to do with it. Can you put a price tag on your wife's
safety?
>
>> If I didn't have the knowledge and ability to fix it, somebody who
>> did would have already fixed it, and been paid for it.
>
>Knowledge is what I am HERE for. Are you not offering any?
Nope.
>Ability:
>http://sprite.viptx.net/~moomesa/NEWJEEP.html
>what have YOU built lately?
OK, I'll admit it. you're good with a spray can. Could possibly be color blind
though...
>
>> It's one thing to send your wife out to kill herself in it. The
>> problem is, she'd likely take somebody else with her. Possibly
>> somebody I care about.
>>
>> Not acceptable.
>
>1) Not acceptable. You evaded the question. Where would you start?
>Tires? Shims? Springs? Steering Box? Frame Alignment? Where?
No evading at all. You asked, and I told you where I'd start.
>2) If you are trying to help, then help, otherwise keep it to yourself.
>Criticizm isn't help. Put up or shut up.
If you don't want to hear it, don't ask. Shutting up is not an option.
>
>3) At least I'm here trying to get answers. Since I live in the
>country, more than 90 miles from any major shop, I use this forum to
>gather as much info as possible. And since I'm capable of doing much of
>the work myself, the info I get here is a great deal of help. Thanks to
>the effort of other posters here, even Bill.
>
>
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Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
In message <moomesa-66C26C.09120610112003@corp.newsfeeds.com>, "Jeepers" wrote:
>In article <t98uqv80pmqnu5ulgi792b2biqec66cuga@4ax.com>,
> bllsht <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote:
>
>> If my wife was going to be driving it, and the steering was unsafe,
>> you can bet I wouldn't be here asking stupid ------- questions.
>>
>I'm so glad you are so independantly wealthy you can afford to just
>throw money at it, good for you.
Wealth has nothing to do with it. Can you put a price tag on your wife's
safety?
>
>> If I didn't have the knowledge and ability to fix it, somebody who
>> did would have already fixed it, and been paid for it.
>
>Knowledge is what I am HERE for. Are you not offering any?
Nope.
>Ability:
>http://sprite.viptx.net/~moomesa/NEWJEEP.html
>what have YOU built lately?
OK, I'll admit it. you're good with a spray can. Could possibly be color blind
though...
>
>> It's one thing to send your wife out to kill herself in it. The
>> problem is, she'd likely take somebody else with her. Possibly
>> somebody I care about.
>>
>> Not acceptable.
>
>1) Not acceptable. You evaded the question. Where would you start?
>Tires? Shims? Springs? Steering Box? Frame Alignment? Where?
No evading at all. You asked, and I told you where I'd start.
>2) If you are trying to help, then help, otherwise keep it to yourself.
>Criticizm isn't help. Put up or shut up.
If you don't want to hear it, don't ask. Shutting up is not an option.
>
>3) At least I'm here trying to get answers. Since I live in the
>country, more than 90 miles from any major shop, I use this forum to
>gather as much info as possible. And since I'm capable of doing much of
>the work myself, the info I get here is a great deal of help. Thanks to
>the effort of other posters here, even Bill.
>
>
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>In article <t98uqv80pmqnu5ulgi792b2biqec66cuga@4ax.com>,
> bllsht <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote:
>
>> If my wife was going to be driving it, and the steering was unsafe,
>> you can bet I wouldn't be here asking stupid ------- questions.
>>
>I'm so glad you are so independantly wealthy you can afford to just
>throw money at it, good for you.
Wealth has nothing to do with it. Can you put a price tag on your wife's
safety?
>
>> If I didn't have the knowledge and ability to fix it, somebody who
>> did would have already fixed it, and been paid for it.
>
>Knowledge is what I am HERE for. Are you not offering any?
Nope.
>Ability:
>http://sprite.viptx.net/~moomesa/NEWJEEP.html
>what have YOU built lately?
OK, I'll admit it. you're good with a spray can. Could possibly be color blind
though...
>
>> It's one thing to send your wife out to kill herself in it. The
>> problem is, she'd likely take somebody else with her. Possibly
>> somebody I care about.
>>
>> Not acceptable.
>
>1) Not acceptable. You evaded the question. Where would you start?
>Tires? Shims? Springs? Steering Box? Frame Alignment? Where?
No evading at all. You asked, and I told you where I'd start.
>2) If you are trying to help, then help, otherwise keep it to yourself.
>Criticizm isn't help. Put up or shut up.
If you don't want to hear it, don't ask. Shutting up is not an option.
>
>3) At least I'm here trying to get answers. Since I live in the
>country, more than 90 miles from any major shop, I use this forum to
>gather as much info as possible. And since I'm capable of doing much of
>the work myself, the info I get here is a great deal of help. Thanks to
>the effort of other posters here, even Bill.
>
>
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Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
In article <boobhg0mc8@enews2.newsguy.com>,
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote:
> Ok, cutting through all the BS, stock YJ springs will appear to be virtually
> flat, with almost no arch. So, if this YJ has not been lifted, and still has
> stock tires the following measurements will indicate if it has sagged, etc.
>
> Front: Ground to underside of front bumber at frame: 18 1/8"
> Rear: Ground to rear crossmember at tow hitch bolt hole: 17 1/8".
>
> I took these measurements off of a brand new '95 on a dealer's lot back in
> 95 so I'd always have a reference. Hope this helps.
>
>
Excellent! Thanks for the forethought. It has flat springs, but I'll
measure when I get home tonight or tomorrow. I spent the weekend and
Monday on the road with it. I noticed the left front dives when I jerk
to the right on a straight away. I think the Jeep has a combination
problem: long shackles (bad caster) and fatigued leaves. It only has
80,000 miles but I think the leaves are tired. If they are really far
from your measurements I guess we're looking at a Pro Comp replacement,
which is fine, but expensive or we'll work back towards stock since
this is really a runabout second car and won't really see too much off
road, other than our quarter mile unpaved muddy driveway.
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"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote:
> Ok, cutting through all the BS, stock YJ springs will appear to be virtually
> flat, with almost no arch. So, if this YJ has not been lifted, and still has
> stock tires the following measurements will indicate if it has sagged, etc.
>
> Front: Ground to underside of front bumber at frame: 18 1/8"
> Rear: Ground to rear crossmember at tow hitch bolt hole: 17 1/8".
>
> I took these measurements off of a brand new '95 on a dealer's lot back in
> 95 so I'd always have a reference. Hope this helps.
>
>
Excellent! Thanks for the forethought. It has flat springs, but I'll
measure when I get home tonight or tomorrow. I spent the weekend and
Monday on the road with it. I noticed the left front dives when I jerk
to the right on a straight away. I think the Jeep has a combination
problem: long shackles (bad caster) and fatigued leaves. It only has
80,000 miles but I think the leaves are tired. If they are really far
from your measurements I guess we're looking at a Pro Comp replacement,
which is fine, but expensive or we'll work back towards stock since
this is really a runabout second car and won't really see too much off
road, other than our quarter mile unpaved muddy driveway.
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Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
In article <boobhg0mc8@enews2.newsguy.com>,
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote:
> Ok, cutting through all the BS, stock YJ springs will appear to be virtually
> flat, with almost no arch. So, if this YJ has not been lifted, and still has
> stock tires the following measurements will indicate if it has sagged, etc.
>
> Front: Ground to underside of front bumber at frame: 18 1/8"
> Rear: Ground to rear crossmember at tow hitch bolt hole: 17 1/8".
>
> I took these measurements off of a brand new '95 on a dealer's lot back in
> 95 so I'd always have a reference. Hope this helps.
>
>
Excellent! Thanks for the forethought. It has flat springs, but I'll
measure when I get home tonight or tomorrow. I spent the weekend and
Monday on the road with it. I noticed the left front dives when I jerk
to the right on a straight away. I think the Jeep has a combination
problem: long shackles (bad caster) and fatigued leaves. It only has
80,000 miles but I think the leaves are tired. If they are really far
from your measurements I guess we're looking at a Pro Comp replacement,
which is fine, but expensive or we'll work back towards stock since
this is really a runabout second car and won't really see too much off
road, other than our quarter mile unpaved muddy driveway.
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"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote:
> Ok, cutting through all the BS, stock YJ springs will appear to be virtually
> flat, with almost no arch. So, if this YJ has not been lifted, and still has
> stock tires the following measurements will indicate if it has sagged, etc.
>
> Front: Ground to underside of front bumber at frame: 18 1/8"
> Rear: Ground to rear crossmember at tow hitch bolt hole: 17 1/8".
>
> I took these measurements off of a brand new '95 on a dealer's lot back in
> 95 so I'd always have a reference. Hope this helps.
>
>
Excellent! Thanks for the forethought. It has flat springs, but I'll
measure when I get home tonight or tomorrow. I spent the weekend and
Monday on the road with it. I noticed the left front dives when I jerk
to the right on a straight away. I think the Jeep has a combination
problem: long shackles (bad caster) and fatigued leaves. It only has
80,000 miles but I think the leaves are tired. If they are really far
from your measurements I guess we're looking at a Pro Comp replacement,
which is fine, but expensive or we'll work back towards stock since
this is really a runabout second car and won't really see too much off
road, other than our quarter mile unpaved muddy driveway.
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Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
In article <boobhg0mc8@enews2.newsguy.com>,
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote:
> Ok, cutting through all the BS, stock YJ springs will appear to be virtually
> flat, with almost no arch. So, if this YJ has not been lifted, and still has
> stock tires the following measurements will indicate if it has sagged, etc.
>
> Front: Ground to underside of front bumber at frame: 18 1/8"
> Rear: Ground to rear crossmember at tow hitch bolt hole: 17 1/8".
>
> I took these measurements off of a brand new '95 on a dealer's lot back in
> 95 so I'd always have a reference. Hope this helps.
>
>
Excellent! Thanks for the forethought. It has flat springs, but I'll
measure when I get home tonight or tomorrow. I spent the weekend and
Monday on the road with it. I noticed the left front dives when I jerk
to the right on a straight away. I think the Jeep has a combination
problem: long shackles (bad caster) and fatigued leaves. It only has
80,000 miles but I think the leaves are tired. If they are really far
from your measurements I guess we're looking at a Pro Comp replacement,
which is fine, but expensive or we'll work back towards stock since
this is really a runabout second car and won't really see too much off
road, other than our quarter mile unpaved muddy driveway.
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"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote:
> Ok, cutting through all the BS, stock YJ springs will appear to be virtually
> flat, with almost no arch. So, if this YJ has not been lifted, and still has
> stock tires the following measurements will indicate if it has sagged, etc.
>
> Front: Ground to underside of front bumber at frame: 18 1/8"
> Rear: Ground to rear crossmember at tow hitch bolt hole: 17 1/8".
>
> I took these measurements off of a brand new '95 on a dealer's lot back in
> 95 so I'd always have a reference. Hope this helps.
>
>
Excellent! Thanks for the forethought. It has flat springs, but I'll
measure when I get home tonight or tomorrow. I spent the weekend and
Monday on the road with it. I noticed the left front dives when I jerk
to the right on a straight away. I think the Jeep has a combination
problem: long shackles (bad caster) and fatigued leaves. It only has
80,000 miles but I think the leaves are tired. If they are really far
from your measurements I guess we're looking at a Pro Comp replacement,
which is fine, but expensive or we'll work back towards stock since
this is really a runabout second car and won't really see too much off
road, other than our quarter mile unpaved muddy driveway.
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Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
In article <3FAFBD01.4BAF1E98@sympatico.ca>,
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> You are describing 'torque steer' I think it's called. This can come
> from a variety of places.
>
> - dead or missing bushings in one spring end
check
> - loose axle U bolt on one or more spring packs
will check
> - loose front wheel bearing
check
> - dead rear wheel bearing
will check
> - broken frame
check
> - ball joint bad enough to be really dangerous
check
> - tie rod end about to fail
check
> - body shifting on the frame (old tenant's CJ7 was like that, he even
> had torque shift on his automatic)
check
> - maybe something simple like the caster being out enough to allow a
> combined wear from all the ball joints and tie rod ends to allow one
> wheel with the most wear not to track straight.
Could be. the Jeep only has 80,000 miles. I think the springs are worn.
Thanks!
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Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> You are describing 'torque steer' I think it's called. This can come
> from a variety of places.
>
> - dead or missing bushings in one spring end
check
> - loose axle U bolt on one or more spring packs
will check
> - loose front wheel bearing
check
> - dead rear wheel bearing
will check
> - broken frame
check
> - ball joint bad enough to be really dangerous
check
> - tie rod end about to fail
check
> - body shifting on the frame (old tenant's CJ7 was like that, he even
> had torque shift on his automatic)
check
> - maybe something simple like the caster being out enough to allow a
> combined wear from all the ball joints and tie rod ends to allow one
> wheel with the most wear not to track straight.
Could be. the Jeep only has 80,000 miles. I think the springs are worn.
Thanks!
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