Jeepers

In article <bomi2u$1futs9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:

> > How do you figure there is more leverage? The weight pressing
> > down on the front of the spring has not changed. Perhaps in that
> > they are allowed to flex more before contacting the bump stop?
>
> Yes, and they screw up your caster angle too. They are also cheap. When
> was the last time you bought anything cheap that was good?
>
> >
> > Anyway, the question I was looking for an answer for, was:
> > How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
> >
>
> They look almost flat on mine, with about two inches to the bump stop and
> one to one-and-a-half inch of bow (guesstimated).
>
> Earle

My dilemma is what to fix to get the steering safer for the Mrs.

I can't tell if the steering problem is the tires, worn leaves, longer
shackles or if the vehicle was wrecked and the rear end is tracking
loosely.

It feels kinda like the rear wants to go to the left, when at speed,
when the steering wheel is turned slightly to the left.

The leaves look a bit on the flat side too.

I'll be taking it to The Big City tomorrow, where I'll be able to find a
flat level surface where I'll put my Handy-Dandy Craftsman level finder
on the top of the knuckle to check the castor.

Since I'm not made of money I wanted to go about this in a frugal
manner. If I could determine if the leaves are beat, a lift kit with OEM
shackles would be decent place to start. If the leaves are o.k. then I'd
rather install some shims. But I'd hate to do the springs and find out
the frame is bent and the cause of the troubles.

I'm just not sure where to start.


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Jeepers

In article <bomi2u$1futs9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:

> > How do you figure there is more leverage? The weight pressing
> > down on the front of the spring has not changed. Perhaps in that
> > they are allowed to flex more before contacting the bump stop?
>
> Yes, and they screw up your caster angle too. They are also cheap. When
> was the last time you bought anything cheap that was good?
>
> >
> > Anyway, the question I was looking for an answer for, was:
> > How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
> >
>
> They look almost flat on mine, with about two inches to the bump stop and
> one to one-and-a-half inch of bow (guesstimated).
>
> Earle

My dilemma is what to fix to get the steering safer for the Mrs.

I can't tell if the steering problem is the tires, worn leaves, longer
shackles or if the vehicle was wrecked and the rear end is tracking
loosely.

It feels kinda like the rear wants to go to the left, when at speed,
when the steering wheel is turned slightly to the left.

The leaves look a bit on the flat side too.

I'll be taking it to The Big City tomorrow, where I'll be able to find a
flat level surface where I'll put my Handy-Dandy Craftsman level finder
on the top of the knuckle to check the castor.

Since I'm not made of money I wanted to go about this in a frugal
manner. If I could determine if the leaves are beat, a lift kit with OEM
shackles would be decent place to start. If the leaves are o.k. then I'd
rather install some shims. But I'd hate to do the springs and find out
the frame is bent and the cause of the troubles.

I'm just not sure where to start.


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Jeepers

In article <bomi2u$1futs9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:

> > How do you figure there is more leverage? The weight pressing
> > down on the front of the spring has not changed. Perhaps in that
> > they are allowed to flex more before contacting the bump stop?
>
> Yes, and they screw up your caster angle too. They are also cheap. When
> was the last time you bought anything cheap that was good?
>
> >
> > Anyway, the question I was looking for an answer for, was:
> > How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
> >
>
> They look almost flat on mine, with about two inches to the bump stop and
> one to one-and-a-half inch of bow (guesstimated).
>
> Earle

My dilemma is what to fix to get the steering safer for the Mrs.

I can't tell if the steering problem is the tires, worn leaves, longer
shackles or if the vehicle was wrecked and the rear end is tracking
loosely.

It feels kinda like the rear wants to go to the left, when at speed,
when the steering wheel is turned slightly to the left.

The leaves look a bit on the flat side too.

I'll be taking it to The Big City tomorrow, where I'll be able to find a
flat level surface where I'll put my Handy-Dandy Craftsman level finder
on the top of the knuckle to check the castor.

Since I'm not made of money I wanted to go about this in a frugal
manner. If I could determine if the leaves are beat, a lift kit with OEM
shackles would be decent place to start. If the leaves are o.k. then I'd
rather install some shims. But I'd hate to do the springs and find out
the frame is bent and the cause of the troubles.

I'm just not sure where to start.


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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Didn't your friend take pictures of her car before you bent the
springs. ;-) They should have looked like this stock YJ:
http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
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Jeepers wrote:
>
> How do you figure there is more leverage? The weight pressing down on
> the front of the spring has not changed. Perhaps in that they are
> allowed to flex more before contacting the bump stop?
>
> Anyway, the question I was looking for an answer for, was:
> How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Didn't your friend take pictures of her car before you bent the
springs. ;-) They should have looked like this stock YJ:
http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeepers wrote:
>
> How do you figure there is more leverage? The weight pressing down on
> the front of the spring has not changed. Perhaps in that they are
> allowed to flex more before contacting the bump stop?
>
> Anyway, the question I was looking for an answer for, was:
> How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Didn't your friend take pictures of her car before you bent the
springs. ;-) They should have looked like this stock YJ:
http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeepers wrote:
>
> How do you figure there is more leverage? The weight pressing down on
> the front of the spring has not changed. Perhaps in that they are
> allowed to flex more before contacting the bump stop?
>
> Anyway, the question I was looking for an answer for, was:
> How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?

Earle Horton

I don't think that a "Handy-Dandy Craftsman level finder on the top of the
knuckle" is the best way to check the caster angle. The last time I checked
the top of the knuckle surface was not machined for this operation.
Installation of a shackle lift will definitely decrease your caster angle,
which is not good for steering.

Consult the following link for use of the term "castor."

http://www.bartleby.com/61/94/C0149400.html

Earle

"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
news:moomesa-2F1CD5.17364109112003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> In article <bomi2u$1futs9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
>
> > > How do you figure there is more leverage? The weight pressing
> > > down on the front of the spring has not changed. Perhaps in that
> > > they are allowed to flex more before contacting the bump stop?
> >
> > Yes, and they screw up your caster angle too. They are also cheap.
When
> > was the last time you bought anything cheap that was good?
> >
> > >
> > > Anyway, the question I was looking for an answer for, was:
> > > How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
> > >
> >
> > They look almost flat on mine, with about two inches to the bump stop
and
> > one to one-and-a-half inch of bow (guesstimated).
> >
> > Earle
>
> My dilemma is what to fix to get the steering safer for the Mrs.
>
> I can't tell if the steering problem is the tires, worn leaves, longer
> shackles or if the vehicle was wrecked and the rear end is tracking
> loosely.
>
> It feels kinda like the rear wants to go to the left, when at speed,
> when the steering wheel is turned slightly to the left.
>
> The leaves look a bit on the flat side too.
>
> I'll be taking it to The Big City tomorrow, where I'll be able to find a
> flat level surface where I'll put my Handy-Dandy Craftsman level finder
> on the top of the knuckle to check the castor.
>
> Since I'm not made of money I wanted to go about this in a frugal
> manner. If I could determine if the leaves are beat, a lift kit with OEM
> shackles would be decent place to start. If the leaves are o.k. then I'd
> rather install some shims. But I'd hate to do the springs and find out
> the frame is bent and the cause of the troubles.
>
> I'm just not sure where to start.
>
>
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Earle Horton

I don't think that a "Handy-Dandy Craftsman level finder on the top of the
knuckle" is the best way to check the caster angle. The last time I checked
the top of the knuckle surface was not machined for this operation.
Installation of a shackle lift will definitely decrease your caster angle,
which is not good for steering.

Consult the following link for use of the term "castor."

http://www.bartleby.com/61/94/C0149400.html

Earle

"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
news:moomesa-2F1CD5.17364109112003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> In article <bomi2u$1futs9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
>
> > > How do you figure there is more leverage? The weight pressing
> > > down on the front of the spring has not changed. Perhaps in that
> > > they are allowed to flex more before contacting the bump stop?
> >
> > Yes, and they screw up your caster angle too. They are also cheap.
When
> > was the last time you bought anything cheap that was good?
> >
> > >
> > > Anyway, the question I was looking for an answer for, was:
> > > How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
> > >
> >
> > They look almost flat on mine, with about two inches to the bump stop
and
> > one to one-and-a-half inch of bow (guesstimated).
> >
> > Earle
>
> My dilemma is what to fix to get the steering safer for the Mrs.
>
> I can't tell if the steering problem is the tires, worn leaves, longer
> shackles or if the vehicle was wrecked and the rear end is tracking
> loosely.
>
> It feels kinda like the rear wants to go to the left, when at speed,
> when the steering wheel is turned slightly to the left.
>
> The leaves look a bit on the flat side too.
>
> I'll be taking it to The Big City tomorrow, where I'll be able to find a
> flat level surface where I'll put my Handy-Dandy Craftsman level finder
> on the top of the knuckle to check the castor.
>
> Since I'm not made of money I wanted to go about this in a frugal
> manner. If I could determine if the leaves are beat, a lift kit with OEM
> shackles would be decent place to start. If the leaves are o.k. then I'd
> rather install some shims. But I'd hate to do the springs and find out
> the frame is bent and the cause of the troubles.
>
> I'm just not sure where to start.
>
>
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Earle Horton

I don't think that a "Handy-Dandy Craftsman level finder on the top of the
knuckle" is the best way to check the caster angle. The last time I checked
the top of the knuckle surface was not machined for this operation.
Installation of a shackle lift will definitely decrease your caster angle,
which is not good for steering.

Consult the following link for use of the term "castor."

http://www.bartleby.com/61/94/C0149400.html

Earle

"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
news:moomesa-2F1CD5.17364109112003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> In article <bomi2u$1futs9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
>
> > > How do you figure there is more leverage? The weight pressing
> > > down on the front of the spring has not changed. Perhaps in that
> > > they are allowed to flex more before contacting the bump stop?
> >
> > Yes, and they screw up your caster angle too. They are also cheap.
When
> > was the last time you bought anything cheap that was good?
> >
> > >
> > > Anyway, the question I was looking for an answer for, was:
> > > How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
> > >
> >
> > They look almost flat on mine, with about two inches to the bump stop
and
> > one to one-and-a-half inch of bow (guesstimated).
> >
> > Earle
>
> My dilemma is what to fix to get the steering safer for the Mrs.
>
> I can't tell if the steering problem is the tires, worn leaves, longer
> shackles or if the vehicle was wrecked and the rear end is tracking
> loosely.
>
> It feels kinda like the rear wants to go to the left, when at speed,
> when the steering wheel is turned slightly to the left.
>
> The leaves look a bit on the flat side too.
>
> I'll be taking it to The Big City tomorrow, where I'll be able to find a
> flat level surface where I'll put my Handy-Dandy Craftsman level finder
> on the top of the knuckle to check the castor.
>
> Since I'm not made of money I wanted to go about this in a frugal
> manner. If I could determine if the leaves are beat, a lift kit with OEM
> shackles would be decent place to start. If the leaves are o.k. then I'd
> rather install some shims. But I'd hate to do the springs and find out
> the frame is bent and the cause of the troubles.
>
> I'm just not sure where to start.
>
>
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belowme

OK, then assuming that I correct my caster angle with steel shims (never
aluminum) and install a proper bump stop, the longer shackle shouldn't be a
problem, right? You can't convince me that an aftermarket reinforced
shackle is weaker than the stamped out piece of metal that OEM installs.

Actually, I have already decided to install shackles, I am just wondering
what the popular (or not) opinion is. I also haven't decided how much
taller to make the shackles, I have made them long enough to go 3 inches
taller, although I am not likely to do that. I will probably go between 1
and 2. I also have a suspension lift kit installed, so I am not concerned
about an old fatigued spring.

Jerry


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FAECFA1.6F289B06@***.net...
> Didn't your friend take pictures of her car before you bent the
> springs. ;-) They should have looked like this stock YJ:
>
http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeepers wrote:
> >
> > How do you figure there is more leverage? The weight pressing down on
> > the front of the spring has not changed. Perhaps in that they are
> > allowed to flex more before contacting the bump stop?
> >
> > Anyway, the question I was looking for an answer for, was:
> > How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?