Highlift jack
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Re: Highlift jack
Water? like you were playing a drinking water reservoir?
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Steve wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Don't get me wrong, the bottle jack does it for me 99% of the time and I
> always prefer to lift from under the axle where possible. It's just that
> sometimes, say if I'm ***** deep in ice water or I need to take the
> weight off the springs for a repair, the hilift is far more effective.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
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Steve wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Don't get me wrong, the bottle jack does it for me 99% of the time and I
> always prefer to lift from under the axle where possible. It's just that
> sometimes, say if I'm ***** deep in ice water or I need to take the
> weight off the springs for a repair, the hilift is far more effective.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
#182
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Re: Highlift jack
I think it's an integral tool...sure....but must be used with care!
Remember, common sense isn't all that common!
There was a thread back a bit about using tow straps and hooking two
together.
It was following someone that had gotten killed because they didn't hook
them together properly (used a metal clevis instead of intertwining).
This is an example of knowing what you're doing and thinking ahead!
IF you have to get under the jeep....DON'T JUST use the hi-lift. If you are
high-centered....sure, jack'er up and push it over....just watch your toes!
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:10psobsto0j9fea@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:419E541E.34BDC812@sympatico.ca...
>> Jerry B says the manual warns of sudden drops when in the up position
>> unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
>> obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
>> them away lots of times too.
>>
>> This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
>> when I got there!
>>
>> I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
>> too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
>> the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
>>
>> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
>> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
>> gets some education, even me.
>>
>> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
>> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
>> be.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> I agree with everything you have said relative to the safety of the HiLift
> Jack. I just think that it is a useful tool that people should carry and
> use, even if they must use it with caution.
>
> Pointing to a guy that did everything possible wrong with his jack does
> not
> point to problems with the jack, it points to problems with the idiot that
> is using it. As for dropping loads of less than 100 pounds, I am not sure
> that is a fact if the lever is set to be raising the load, it is certainly
> a
> fact when lowering the load. When they are working properly, you should be
> able to set the direction lever to raise the load, then pull the handle
> and
> raise the lifting mechanism, and the pins will ratchet as they go over the
> holes in the stalk. The lift will easily drop, sometimes drop
> unexpectedly,
> when the lever is set to lower the load but there is no load on the jack.
> When this happens, the lift could easily hit a foot and cause some serious
> pain. By the time the load weighs less than 100 pounds on the lift, it is
> already on the ground, so the falling load ought not be a problem in this
> case. Having said that, the load will never fall, unless the jack tips
> over,
> if the selector lever is set to raise the load. Another safety, for lack
> of
> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
> the raised position. When the handle is raised, the pins are inserted into
> at least one hole, and if the handle can be locked in that position, it
> will
> not flail about and destroy everything within reach. HiLift supplies a
> wire-clamp that is supposed to hold the handle up when the load is raised.
> The operator is supposed to use the handle to raise his load, then leave
> the
> handle raised so that the wire-clamp is secured to the stalk of the jack.
> I
> am not sure, but I think that many people might take the wire clamp off
> thinking it serves no purpose. My clamp is damaged and I do not rely on
> it,
> so if I must leave my Jeep on the jack for any reason, I use a bungie cord
> or even some tape to hold the jack handle raised - this locks the lift
> mechanism in place until somebody comes along and lowers the handle. If
> the
> handle falls from this position on its own, that is when the handle will
> flail about wildly and harm everybody and everything within its reach.
>
> Whenever I take my HiLift off of its rack, I also pull out my can of WD40
> and spray the moving parts and fully exercise those parts before I try to
> use the jack. I have learned over the years that the pins can stick,
> mostly
> due to what I do to my jack for months on end between uses. My jack
> suffers
> through mud and water, then more water from washing the mud off, and I
> expect it to get sticky. WD40 returns it to serviceable condition in a
> matter of seconds, and when I take of on a planned trip, I will even do a
> PM
> service to my jack while I am still at home.
>
> I am not here to sell HiLifts, but as dangerous as they are, they have a
> place on the back of just about any Jeep. They can be a valuable tool
> despite the dangers they present.
>
>
>
>
>
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> >
>> > His jack is broken.
>> >
>> > A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is
> set to
>> > the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS
> engaged
>> > in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins
> is
>> > ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly,
>> > and
>> > cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
>> >
>> > The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised
> very
>> > high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall.
>> > When
>> > this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
>> >
>> > Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly
> rock
>> > crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is
>> > going
> to
>> > drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never
>> > intended
> to
>> > be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period.
>> > Using
> a
>> > HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we
> arer
>> > already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The
>> > only
>> > application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or
> stumps,
>> > where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a
> tire
>> > so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times
> lifted my
>> > Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone
>> > back
> to
>> > get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
>> > another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a
>> > HiLift
> is
>> > dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
>> > > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
>> > > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost
> took
>> > > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
>> > >
>> > > Who needs em?
>> > >
>> > > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was
> never
>> > > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > >
>> > > JimG wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
>> > > >
>> > > > JimG
>> > > >
>> > > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
>> > > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set
> to
>> > the
>> > > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the
> handle
>> > will
>> > > > not
>> > > > > run away.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
>> > > > >...
>> > > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will
> go
>> > > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Really!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>
>
Remember, common sense isn't all that common!
There was a thread back a bit about using tow straps and hooking two
together.
It was following someone that had gotten killed because they didn't hook
them together properly (used a metal clevis instead of intertwining).
This is an example of knowing what you're doing and thinking ahead!
IF you have to get under the jeep....DON'T JUST use the hi-lift. If you are
high-centered....sure, jack'er up and push it over....just watch your toes!
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:10psobsto0j9fea@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:419E541E.34BDC812@sympatico.ca...
>> Jerry B says the manual warns of sudden drops when in the up position
>> unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
>> obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
>> them away lots of times too.
>>
>> This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
>> when I got there!
>>
>> I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
>> too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
>> the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
>>
>> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
>> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
>> gets some education, even me.
>>
>> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
>> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
>> be.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> I agree with everything you have said relative to the safety of the HiLift
> Jack. I just think that it is a useful tool that people should carry and
> use, even if they must use it with caution.
>
> Pointing to a guy that did everything possible wrong with his jack does
> not
> point to problems with the jack, it points to problems with the idiot that
> is using it. As for dropping loads of less than 100 pounds, I am not sure
> that is a fact if the lever is set to be raising the load, it is certainly
> a
> fact when lowering the load. When they are working properly, you should be
> able to set the direction lever to raise the load, then pull the handle
> and
> raise the lifting mechanism, and the pins will ratchet as they go over the
> holes in the stalk. The lift will easily drop, sometimes drop
> unexpectedly,
> when the lever is set to lower the load but there is no load on the jack.
> When this happens, the lift could easily hit a foot and cause some serious
> pain. By the time the load weighs less than 100 pounds on the lift, it is
> already on the ground, so the falling load ought not be a problem in this
> case. Having said that, the load will never fall, unless the jack tips
> over,
> if the selector lever is set to raise the load. Another safety, for lack
> of
> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
> the raised position. When the handle is raised, the pins are inserted into
> at least one hole, and if the handle can be locked in that position, it
> will
> not flail about and destroy everything within reach. HiLift supplies a
> wire-clamp that is supposed to hold the handle up when the load is raised.
> The operator is supposed to use the handle to raise his load, then leave
> the
> handle raised so that the wire-clamp is secured to the stalk of the jack.
> I
> am not sure, but I think that many people might take the wire clamp off
> thinking it serves no purpose. My clamp is damaged and I do not rely on
> it,
> so if I must leave my Jeep on the jack for any reason, I use a bungie cord
> or even some tape to hold the jack handle raised - this locks the lift
> mechanism in place until somebody comes along and lowers the handle. If
> the
> handle falls from this position on its own, that is when the handle will
> flail about wildly and harm everybody and everything within its reach.
>
> Whenever I take my HiLift off of its rack, I also pull out my can of WD40
> and spray the moving parts and fully exercise those parts before I try to
> use the jack. I have learned over the years that the pins can stick,
> mostly
> due to what I do to my jack for months on end between uses. My jack
> suffers
> through mud and water, then more water from washing the mud off, and I
> expect it to get sticky. WD40 returns it to serviceable condition in a
> matter of seconds, and when I take of on a planned trip, I will even do a
> PM
> service to my jack while I am still at home.
>
> I am not here to sell HiLifts, but as dangerous as they are, they have a
> place on the back of just about any Jeep. They can be a valuable tool
> despite the dangers they present.
>
>
>
>
>
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> >
>> > His jack is broken.
>> >
>> > A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is
> set to
>> > the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS
> engaged
>> > in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins
> is
>> > ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly,
>> > and
>> > cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
>> >
>> > The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised
> very
>> > high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall.
>> > When
>> > this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
>> >
>> > Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly
> rock
>> > crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is
>> > going
> to
>> > drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never
>> > intended
> to
>> > be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period.
>> > Using
> a
>> > HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we
> arer
>> > already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The
>> > only
>> > application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or
> stumps,
>> > where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a
> tire
>> > so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times
> lifted my
>> > Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone
>> > back
> to
>> > get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
>> > another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a
>> > HiLift
> is
>> > dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
>> > > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
>> > > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost
> took
>> > > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
>> > >
>> > > Who needs em?
>> > >
>> > > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was
> never
>> > > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > >
>> > > JimG wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
>> > > >
>> > > > JimG
>> > > >
>> > > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
>> > > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set
> to
>> > the
>> > > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the
> handle
>> > will
>> > > > not
>> > > > > run away.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
>> > > > >...
>> > > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will
> go
>> > > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Really!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>
>
#183
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
I think it's an integral tool...sure....but must be used with care!
Remember, common sense isn't all that common!
There was a thread back a bit about using tow straps and hooking two
together.
It was following someone that had gotten killed because they didn't hook
them together properly (used a metal clevis instead of intertwining).
This is an example of knowing what you're doing and thinking ahead!
IF you have to get under the jeep....DON'T JUST use the hi-lift. If you are
high-centered....sure, jack'er up and push it over....just watch your toes!
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:10psobsto0j9fea@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:419E541E.34BDC812@sympatico.ca...
>> Jerry B says the manual warns of sudden drops when in the up position
>> unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
>> obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
>> them away lots of times too.
>>
>> This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
>> when I got there!
>>
>> I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
>> too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
>> the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
>>
>> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
>> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
>> gets some education, even me.
>>
>> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
>> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
>> be.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> I agree with everything you have said relative to the safety of the HiLift
> Jack. I just think that it is a useful tool that people should carry and
> use, even if they must use it with caution.
>
> Pointing to a guy that did everything possible wrong with his jack does
> not
> point to problems with the jack, it points to problems with the idiot that
> is using it. As for dropping loads of less than 100 pounds, I am not sure
> that is a fact if the lever is set to be raising the load, it is certainly
> a
> fact when lowering the load. When they are working properly, you should be
> able to set the direction lever to raise the load, then pull the handle
> and
> raise the lifting mechanism, and the pins will ratchet as they go over the
> holes in the stalk. The lift will easily drop, sometimes drop
> unexpectedly,
> when the lever is set to lower the load but there is no load on the jack.
> When this happens, the lift could easily hit a foot and cause some serious
> pain. By the time the load weighs less than 100 pounds on the lift, it is
> already on the ground, so the falling load ought not be a problem in this
> case. Having said that, the load will never fall, unless the jack tips
> over,
> if the selector lever is set to raise the load. Another safety, for lack
> of
> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
> the raised position. When the handle is raised, the pins are inserted into
> at least one hole, and if the handle can be locked in that position, it
> will
> not flail about and destroy everything within reach. HiLift supplies a
> wire-clamp that is supposed to hold the handle up when the load is raised.
> The operator is supposed to use the handle to raise his load, then leave
> the
> handle raised so that the wire-clamp is secured to the stalk of the jack.
> I
> am not sure, but I think that many people might take the wire clamp off
> thinking it serves no purpose. My clamp is damaged and I do not rely on
> it,
> so if I must leave my Jeep on the jack for any reason, I use a bungie cord
> or even some tape to hold the jack handle raised - this locks the lift
> mechanism in place until somebody comes along and lowers the handle. If
> the
> handle falls from this position on its own, that is when the handle will
> flail about wildly and harm everybody and everything within its reach.
>
> Whenever I take my HiLift off of its rack, I also pull out my can of WD40
> and spray the moving parts and fully exercise those parts before I try to
> use the jack. I have learned over the years that the pins can stick,
> mostly
> due to what I do to my jack for months on end between uses. My jack
> suffers
> through mud and water, then more water from washing the mud off, and I
> expect it to get sticky. WD40 returns it to serviceable condition in a
> matter of seconds, and when I take of on a planned trip, I will even do a
> PM
> service to my jack while I am still at home.
>
> I am not here to sell HiLifts, but as dangerous as they are, they have a
> place on the back of just about any Jeep. They can be a valuable tool
> despite the dangers they present.
>
>
>
>
>
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> >
>> > His jack is broken.
>> >
>> > A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is
> set to
>> > the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS
> engaged
>> > in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins
> is
>> > ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly,
>> > and
>> > cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
>> >
>> > The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised
> very
>> > high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall.
>> > When
>> > this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
>> >
>> > Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly
> rock
>> > crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is
>> > going
> to
>> > drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never
>> > intended
> to
>> > be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period.
>> > Using
> a
>> > HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we
> arer
>> > already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The
>> > only
>> > application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or
> stumps,
>> > where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a
> tire
>> > so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times
> lifted my
>> > Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone
>> > back
> to
>> > get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
>> > another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a
>> > HiLift
> is
>> > dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
>> > > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
>> > > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost
> took
>> > > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
>> > >
>> > > Who needs em?
>> > >
>> > > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was
> never
>> > > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > >
>> > > JimG wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
>> > > >
>> > > > JimG
>> > > >
>> > > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
>> > > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set
> to
>> > the
>> > > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the
> handle
>> > will
>> > > > not
>> > > > > run away.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
>> > > > >...
>> > > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will
> go
>> > > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Really!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>
>
Remember, common sense isn't all that common!
There was a thread back a bit about using tow straps and hooking two
together.
It was following someone that had gotten killed because they didn't hook
them together properly (used a metal clevis instead of intertwining).
This is an example of knowing what you're doing and thinking ahead!
IF you have to get under the jeep....DON'T JUST use the hi-lift. If you are
high-centered....sure, jack'er up and push it over....just watch your toes!
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:10psobsto0j9fea@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:419E541E.34BDC812@sympatico.ca...
>> Jerry B says the manual warns of sudden drops when in the up position
>> unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
>> obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
>> them away lots of times too.
>>
>> This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
>> when I got there!
>>
>> I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
>> too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
>> the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
>>
>> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
>> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
>> gets some education, even me.
>>
>> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
>> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
>> be.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> I agree with everything you have said relative to the safety of the HiLift
> Jack. I just think that it is a useful tool that people should carry and
> use, even if they must use it with caution.
>
> Pointing to a guy that did everything possible wrong with his jack does
> not
> point to problems with the jack, it points to problems with the idiot that
> is using it. As for dropping loads of less than 100 pounds, I am not sure
> that is a fact if the lever is set to be raising the load, it is certainly
> a
> fact when lowering the load. When they are working properly, you should be
> able to set the direction lever to raise the load, then pull the handle
> and
> raise the lifting mechanism, and the pins will ratchet as they go over the
> holes in the stalk. The lift will easily drop, sometimes drop
> unexpectedly,
> when the lever is set to lower the load but there is no load on the jack.
> When this happens, the lift could easily hit a foot and cause some serious
> pain. By the time the load weighs less than 100 pounds on the lift, it is
> already on the ground, so the falling load ought not be a problem in this
> case. Having said that, the load will never fall, unless the jack tips
> over,
> if the selector lever is set to raise the load. Another safety, for lack
> of
> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
> the raised position. When the handle is raised, the pins are inserted into
> at least one hole, and if the handle can be locked in that position, it
> will
> not flail about and destroy everything within reach. HiLift supplies a
> wire-clamp that is supposed to hold the handle up when the load is raised.
> The operator is supposed to use the handle to raise his load, then leave
> the
> handle raised so that the wire-clamp is secured to the stalk of the jack.
> I
> am not sure, but I think that many people might take the wire clamp off
> thinking it serves no purpose. My clamp is damaged and I do not rely on
> it,
> so if I must leave my Jeep on the jack for any reason, I use a bungie cord
> or even some tape to hold the jack handle raised - this locks the lift
> mechanism in place until somebody comes along and lowers the handle. If
> the
> handle falls from this position on its own, that is when the handle will
> flail about wildly and harm everybody and everything within its reach.
>
> Whenever I take my HiLift off of its rack, I also pull out my can of WD40
> and spray the moving parts and fully exercise those parts before I try to
> use the jack. I have learned over the years that the pins can stick,
> mostly
> due to what I do to my jack for months on end between uses. My jack
> suffers
> through mud and water, then more water from washing the mud off, and I
> expect it to get sticky. WD40 returns it to serviceable condition in a
> matter of seconds, and when I take of on a planned trip, I will even do a
> PM
> service to my jack while I am still at home.
>
> I am not here to sell HiLifts, but as dangerous as they are, they have a
> place on the back of just about any Jeep. They can be a valuable tool
> despite the dangers they present.
>
>
>
>
>
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> >
>> > His jack is broken.
>> >
>> > A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is
> set to
>> > the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS
> engaged
>> > in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins
> is
>> > ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly,
>> > and
>> > cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
>> >
>> > The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised
> very
>> > high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall.
>> > When
>> > this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
>> >
>> > Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly
> rock
>> > crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is
>> > going
> to
>> > drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never
>> > intended
> to
>> > be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period.
>> > Using
> a
>> > HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we
> arer
>> > already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The
>> > only
>> > application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or
> stumps,
>> > where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a
> tire
>> > so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times
> lifted my
>> > Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone
>> > back
> to
>> > get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
>> > another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a
>> > HiLift
> is
>> > dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
>> > > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
>> > > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost
> took
>> > > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
>> > >
>> > > Who needs em?
>> > >
>> > > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was
> never
>> > > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > >
>> > > JimG wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
>> > > >
>> > > > JimG
>> > > >
>> > > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
>> > > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set
> to
>> > the
>> > > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the
> handle
>> > will
>> > > > not
>> > > > > run away.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
>> > > > >...
>> > > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will
> go
>> > > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Really!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>
>
#184
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
I think it's an integral tool...sure....but must be used with care!
Remember, common sense isn't all that common!
There was a thread back a bit about using tow straps and hooking two
together.
It was following someone that had gotten killed because they didn't hook
them together properly (used a metal clevis instead of intertwining).
This is an example of knowing what you're doing and thinking ahead!
IF you have to get under the jeep....DON'T JUST use the hi-lift. If you are
high-centered....sure, jack'er up and push it over....just watch your toes!
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:10psobsto0j9fea@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:419E541E.34BDC812@sympatico.ca...
>> Jerry B says the manual warns of sudden drops when in the up position
>> unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
>> obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
>> them away lots of times too.
>>
>> This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
>> when I got there!
>>
>> I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
>> too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
>> the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
>>
>> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
>> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
>> gets some education, even me.
>>
>> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
>> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
>> be.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> I agree with everything you have said relative to the safety of the HiLift
> Jack. I just think that it is a useful tool that people should carry and
> use, even if they must use it with caution.
>
> Pointing to a guy that did everything possible wrong with his jack does
> not
> point to problems with the jack, it points to problems with the idiot that
> is using it. As for dropping loads of less than 100 pounds, I am not sure
> that is a fact if the lever is set to be raising the load, it is certainly
> a
> fact when lowering the load. When they are working properly, you should be
> able to set the direction lever to raise the load, then pull the handle
> and
> raise the lifting mechanism, and the pins will ratchet as they go over the
> holes in the stalk. The lift will easily drop, sometimes drop
> unexpectedly,
> when the lever is set to lower the load but there is no load on the jack.
> When this happens, the lift could easily hit a foot and cause some serious
> pain. By the time the load weighs less than 100 pounds on the lift, it is
> already on the ground, so the falling load ought not be a problem in this
> case. Having said that, the load will never fall, unless the jack tips
> over,
> if the selector lever is set to raise the load. Another safety, for lack
> of
> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
> the raised position. When the handle is raised, the pins are inserted into
> at least one hole, and if the handle can be locked in that position, it
> will
> not flail about and destroy everything within reach. HiLift supplies a
> wire-clamp that is supposed to hold the handle up when the load is raised.
> The operator is supposed to use the handle to raise his load, then leave
> the
> handle raised so that the wire-clamp is secured to the stalk of the jack.
> I
> am not sure, but I think that many people might take the wire clamp off
> thinking it serves no purpose. My clamp is damaged and I do not rely on
> it,
> so if I must leave my Jeep on the jack for any reason, I use a bungie cord
> or even some tape to hold the jack handle raised - this locks the lift
> mechanism in place until somebody comes along and lowers the handle. If
> the
> handle falls from this position on its own, that is when the handle will
> flail about wildly and harm everybody and everything within its reach.
>
> Whenever I take my HiLift off of its rack, I also pull out my can of WD40
> and spray the moving parts and fully exercise those parts before I try to
> use the jack. I have learned over the years that the pins can stick,
> mostly
> due to what I do to my jack for months on end between uses. My jack
> suffers
> through mud and water, then more water from washing the mud off, and I
> expect it to get sticky. WD40 returns it to serviceable condition in a
> matter of seconds, and when I take of on a planned trip, I will even do a
> PM
> service to my jack while I am still at home.
>
> I am not here to sell HiLifts, but as dangerous as they are, they have a
> place on the back of just about any Jeep. They can be a valuable tool
> despite the dangers they present.
>
>
>
>
>
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> >
>> > His jack is broken.
>> >
>> > A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is
> set to
>> > the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS
> engaged
>> > in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins
> is
>> > ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly,
>> > and
>> > cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
>> >
>> > The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised
> very
>> > high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall.
>> > When
>> > this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
>> >
>> > Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly
> rock
>> > crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is
>> > going
> to
>> > drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never
>> > intended
> to
>> > be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period.
>> > Using
> a
>> > HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we
> arer
>> > already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The
>> > only
>> > application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or
> stumps,
>> > where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a
> tire
>> > so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times
> lifted my
>> > Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone
>> > back
> to
>> > get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
>> > another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a
>> > HiLift
> is
>> > dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
>> > > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
>> > > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost
> took
>> > > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
>> > >
>> > > Who needs em?
>> > >
>> > > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was
> never
>> > > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > >
>> > > JimG wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
>> > > >
>> > > > JimG
>> > > >
>> > > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
>> > > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set
> to
>> > the
>> > > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the
> handle
>> > will
>> > > > not
>> > > > > run away.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
>> > > > >...
>> > > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will
> go
>> > > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Really!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>
>
Remember, common sense isn't all that common!
There was a thread back a bit about using tow straps and hooking two
together.
It was following someone that had gotten killed because they didn't hook
them together properly (used a metal clevis instead of intertwining).
This is an example of knowing what you're doing and thinking ahead!
IF you have to get under the jeep....DON'T JUST use the hi-lift. If you are
high-centered....sure, jack'er up and push it over....just watch your toes!
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:10psobsto0j9fea@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:419E541E.34BDC812@sympatico.ca...
>> Jerry B says the manual warns of sudden drops when in the up position
>> unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
>> obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
>> them away lots of times too.
>>
>> This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
>> when I got there!
>>
>> I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
>> too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
>> the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
>>
>> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
>> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
>> gets some education, even me.
>>
>> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
>> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
>> be.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> I agree with everything you have said relative to the safety of the HiLift
> Jack. I just think that it is a useful tool that people should carry and
> use, even if they must use it with caution.
>
> Pointing to a guy that did everything possible wrong with his jack does
> not
> point to problems with the jack, it points to problems with the idiot that
> is using it. As for dropping loads of less than 100 pounds, I am not sure
> that is a fact if the lever is set to be raising the load, it is certainly
> a
> fact when lowering the load. When they are working properly, you should be
> able to set the direction lever to raise the load, then pull the handle
> and
> raise the lifting mechanism, and the pins will ratchet as they go over the
> holes in the stalk. The lift will easily drop, sometimes drop
> unexpectedly,
> when the lever is set to lower the load but there is no load on the jack.
> When this happens, the lift could easily hit a foot and cause some serious
> pain. By the time the load weighs less than 100 pounds on the lift, it is
> already on the ground, so the falling load ought not be a problem in this
> case. Having said that, the load will never fall, unless the jack tips
> over,
> if the selector lever is set to raise the load. Another safety, for lack
> of
> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
> the raised position. When the handle is raised, the pins are inserted into
> at least one hole, and if the handle can be locked in that position, it
> will
> not flail about and destroy everything within reach. HiLift supplies a
> wire-clamp that is supposed to hold the handle up when the load is raised.
> The operator is supposed to use the handle to raise his load, then leave
> the
> handle raised so that the wire-clamp is secured to the stalk of the jack.
> I
> am not sure, but I think that many people might take the wire clamp off
> thinking it serves no purpose. My clamp is damaged and I do not rely on
> it,
> so if I must leave my Jeep on the jack for any reason, I use a bungie cord
> or even some tape to hold the jack handle raised - this locks the lift
> mechanism in place until somebody comes along and lowers the handle. If
> the
> handle falls from this position on its own, that is when the handle will
> flail about wildly and harm everybody and everything within its reach.
>
> Whenever I take my HiLift off of its rack, I also pull out my can of WD40
> and spray the moving parts and fully exercise those parts before I try to
> use the jack. I have learned over the years that the pins can stick,
> mostly
> due to what I do to my jack for months on end between uses. My jack
> suffers
> through mud and water, then more water from washing the mud off, and I
> expect it to get sticky. WD40 returns it to serviceable condition in a
> matter of seconds, and when I take of on a planned trip, I will even do a
> PM
> service to my jack while I am still at home.
>
> I am not here to sell HiLifts, but as dangerous as they are, they have a
> place on the back of just about any Jeep. They can be a valuable tool
> despite the dangers they present.
>
>
>
>
>
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> >
>> > His jack is broken.
>> >
>> > A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is
> set to
>> > the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS
> engaged
>> > in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins
> is
>> > ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly,
>> > and
>> > cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
>> >
>> > The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised
> very
>> > high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall.
>> > When
>> > this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
>> >
>> > Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly
> rock
>> > crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is
>> > going
> to
>> > drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never
>> > intended
> to
>> > be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period.
>> > Using
> a
>> > HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we
> arer
>> > already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The
>> > only
>> > application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or
> stumps,
>> > where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a
> tire
>> > so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times
> lifted my
>> > Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone
>> > back
> to
>> > get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
>> > another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a
>> > HiLift
> is
>> > dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
>> > > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
>> > > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost
> took
>> > > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
>> > >
>> > > Who needs em?
>> > >
>> > > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was
> never
>> > > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > >
>> > > JimG wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
>> > > >
>> > > > JimG
>> > > >
>> > > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
>> > > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set
> to
>> > the
>> > > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the
> handle
>> > will
>> > > > not
>> > > > > run away.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
>> > > > >...
>> > > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will
> go
>> > > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Really!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>
>
#185
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:10:58 UTC "Jeff Strickland"
<spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
> Another safety, for lack of
> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
> the raised position.
Even better is the old fashioned way: Stick a bolt or big-a$$
screwdriver through the hole just below the head. That's truly a
positive stop.
--
Will Honea
<spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
> Another safety, for lack of
> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
> the raised position.
Even better is the old fashioned way: Stick a bolt or big-a$$
screwdriver through the hole just below the head. That's truly a
positive stop.
--
Will Honea
#186
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:10:58 UTC "Jeff Strickland"
<spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
> Another safety, for lack of
> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
> the raised position.
Even better is the old fashioned way: Stick a bolt or big-a$$
screwdriver through the hole just below the head. That's truly a
positive stop.
--
Will Honea
<spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
> Another safety, for lack of
> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
> the raised position.
Even better is the old fashioned way: Stick a bolt or big-a$$
screwdriver through the hole just below the head. That's truly a
positive stop.
--
Will Honea
#187
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:10:58 UTC "Jeff Strickland"
<spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
> Another safety, for lack of
> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
> the raised position.
Even better is the old fashioned way: Stick a bolt or big-a$$
screwdriver through the hole just below the head. That's truly a
positive stop.
--
Will Honea
<spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
> Another safety, for lack of
> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
> the raised position.
Even better is the old fashioned way: Stick a bolt or big-a$$
screwdriver through the hole just below the head. That's truly a
positive stop.
--
Will Honea
#188
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
Yup, that's even better.
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-czd93IN8bFuX@anon.none.net...
> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:10:58 UTC "Jeff Strickland"
> <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
>
>> Another safety, for lack of
>> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle
>> in
>> the raised position.
>
> Even better is the old fashioned way: Stick a bolt or big-a$$
> screwdriver through the hole just below the head. That's truly a
> positive stop.
>
> --
> Will Honea
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-czd93IN8bFuX@anon.none.net...
> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:10:58 UTC "Jeff Strickland"
> <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
>
>> Another safety, for lack of
>> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle
>> in
>> the raised position.
>
> Even better is the old fashioned way: Stick a bolt or big-a$$
> screwdriver through the hole just below the head. That's truly a
> positive stop.
>
> --
> Will Honea
#189
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
Yup, that's even better.
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-czd93IN8bFuX@anon.none.net...
> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:10:58 UTC "Jeff Strickland"
> <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
>
>> Another safety, for lack of
>> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle
>> in
>> the raised position.
>
> Even better is the old fashioned way: Stick a bolt or big-a$$
> screwdriver through the hole just below the head. That's truly a
> positive stop.
>
> --
> Will Honea
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-czd93IN8bFuX@anon.none.net...
> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:10:58 UTC "Jeff Strickland"
> <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
>
>> Another safety, for lack of
>> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle
>> in
>> the raised position.
>
> Even better is the old fashioned way: Stick a bolt or big-a$$
> screwdriver through the hole just below the head. That's truly a
> positive stop.
>
> --
> Will Honea
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Re: Highlift jack
Yup, that's even better.
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:10:58 UTC "Jeff Strickland"
> <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
>
>> Another safety, for lack of
>> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle
>> in
>> the raised position.
>
> Even better is the old fashioned way: Stick a bolt or big-a$$
> screwdriver through the hole just below the head. That's truly a
> positive stop.
>
> --
> Will Honea
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-czd93IN8bFuX@anon.none.net...
> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:10:58 UTC "Jeff Strickland"
> <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
>
>> Another safety, for lack of
>> a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle
>> in
>> the raised position.
>
> Even better is the old fashioned way: Stick a bolt or big-a$$
> screwdriver through the hole just below the head. That's truly a
> positive stop.
>
> --
> Will Honea