Highlift jack
#151
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Re: Highlift jack
Jeff, find in message: ("dropping" your load) at:
http://www.hi-lift.com/manual/manual.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> His jack is broken.
>
> A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is set to
> the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS engaged
> in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins is
> ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly, and
> cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
>
> The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised very
> high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall. When
> this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
>
> Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly rock
> crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is going to
> drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never intended to
> be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period. Using a
> HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we arer
> already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The only
> application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or stumps,
> where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a tire
> so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times lifted my
> Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone back to
> get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
> another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a HiLift is
> dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
http://www.hi-lift.com/manual/manual.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> His jack is broken.
>
> A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is set to
> the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS engaged
> in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins is
> ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly, and
> cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
>
> The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised very
> high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall. When
> this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
>
> Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly rock
> crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is going to
> drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never intended to
> be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period. Using a
> HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we arer
> already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The only
> application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or stumps,
> where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a tire
> so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times lifted my
> Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone back to
> get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
> another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a HiLift is
> dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
#152
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
Jerry B says the manual warns of sudden drops when in the up position
unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
them away lots of times too.
This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
when I got there!
I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
gets some education, even me.
I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
be.
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> His jack is broken.
>
> A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is set to
> the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS engaged
> in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins is
> ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly, and
> cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
>
> The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised very
> high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall. When
> this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
>
> Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly rock
> crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is going to
> drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never intended to
> be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period. Using a
> HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we arer
> already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The only
> application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or stumps,
> where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a tire
> so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times lifted my
> Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone back to
> get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
> another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a HiLift is
> dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
> > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
> > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost took
> > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
> >
> > Who needs em?
> >
> > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was never
> > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > JimG wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
> > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set to
> the
> > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the handle
> will
> > > not
> > > > run away.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
> > > >...
> > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will go
> > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
> > > > >
> > > > > Really!
> > > > >
> > > >
unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
them away lots of times too.
This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
when I got there!
I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
gets some education, even me.
I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
be.
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> His jack is broken.
>
> A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is set to
> the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS engaged
> in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins is
> ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly, and
> cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
>
> The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised very
> high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall. When
> this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
>
> Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly rock
> crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is going to
> drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never intended to
> be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period. Using a
> HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we arer
> already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The only
> application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or stumps,
> where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a tire
> so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times lifted my
> Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone back to
> get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
> another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a HiLift is
> dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
> > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
> > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost took
> > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
> >
> > Who needs em?
> >
> > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was never
> > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > JimG wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
> > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set to
> the
> > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the handle
> will
> > > not
> > > > run away.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
> > > >...
> > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will go
> > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
> > > > >
> > > > > Really!
> > > > >
> > > >
#153
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
Jerry B says the manual warns of sudden drops when in the up position
unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
them away lots of times too.
This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
when I got there!
I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
gets some education, even me.
I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
be.
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> His jack is broken.
>
> A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is set to
> the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS engaged
> in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins is
> ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly, and
> cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
>
> The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised very
> high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall. When
> this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
>
> Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly rock
> crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is going to
> drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never intended to
> be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period. Using a
> HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we arer
> already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The only
> application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or stumps,
> where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a tire
> so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times lifted my
> Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone back to
> get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
> another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a HiLift is
> dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
> > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
> > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost took
> > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
> >
> > Who needs em?
> >
> > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was never
> > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > JimG wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
> > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set to
> the
> > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the handle
> will
> > > not
> > > > run away.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
> > > >...
> > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will go
> > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
> > > > >
> > > > > Really!
> > > > >
> > > >
unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
them away lots of times too.
This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
when I got there!
I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
gets some education, even me.
I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
be.
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> His jack is broken.
>
> A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is set to
> the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS engaged
> in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins is
> ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly, and
> cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
>
> The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised very
> high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall. When
> this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
>
> Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly rock
> crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is going to
> drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never intended to
> be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period. Using a
> HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we arer
> already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The only
> application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or stumps,
> where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a tire
> so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times lifted my
> Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone back to
> get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
> another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a HiLift is
> dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
> > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
> > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost took
> > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
> >
> > Who needs em?
> >
> > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was never
> > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > JimG wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
> > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set to
> the
> > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the handle
> will
> > > not
> > > > run away.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
> > > >...
> > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will go
> > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
> > > > >
> > > > > Really!
> > > > >
> > > >
#154
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
Jerry B says the manual warns of sudden drops when in the up position
unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
them away lots of times too.
This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
when I got there!
I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
gets some education, even me.
I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
be.
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> His jack is broken.
>
> A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is set to
> the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS engaged
> in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins is
> ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly, and
> cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
>
> The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised very
> high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall. When
> this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
>
> Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly rock
> crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is going to
> drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never intended to
> be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period. Using a
> HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we arer
> already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The only
> application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or stumps,
> where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a tire
> so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times lifted my
> Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone back to
> get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
> another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a HiLift is
> dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
> > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
> > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost took
> > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
> >
> > Who needs em?
> >
> > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was never
> > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > JimG wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
> > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set to
> the
> > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the handle
> will
> > > not
> > > > run away.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
> > > >...
> > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will go
> > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
> > > > >
> > > > > Really!
> > > > >
> > > >
unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
them away lots of times too.
This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
when I got there!
I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
gets some education, even me.
I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
be.
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> His jack is broken.
>
> A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is set to
> the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS engaged
> in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins is
> ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly, and
> cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
>
> The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised very
> high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall. When
> this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
>
> Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly rock
> crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is going to
> drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never intended to
> be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period. Using a
> HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we arer
> already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The only
> application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or stumps,
> where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a tire
> so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times lifted my
> Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone back to
> get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
> another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a HiLift is
> dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
> > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
> > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost took
> > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
> >
> > Who needs em?
> >
> > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was never
> > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > JimG wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
> > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set to
> the
> > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the handle
> will
> > > not
> > > > run away.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
> > > >...
> > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will go
> > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
> > > > >
> > > > > Really!
> > > > >
> > > >
#155
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
Hi Mike,
I'm never in the woods without the hilift. Saved my can several times.
Ever try changing broken leaf spring ubolts & pin with a bottle jack?
That said, I agree 100% with your statement below. These periodic
discussions serve well to remind us how improper use or a momentarily
lapse of prudence can be fatal.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Mike Romain wrote:
> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
> gets some education, even me.
>
> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
> be.
>
> Mike
I'm never in the woods without the hilift. Saved my can several times.
Ever try changing broken leaf spring ubolts & pin with a bottle jack?
That said, I agree 100% with your statement below. These periodic
discussions serve well to remind us how improper use or a momentarily
lapse of prudence can be fatal.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Mike Romain wrote:
> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
> gets some education, even me.
>
> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
> be.
>
> Mike
#156
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
Hi Mike,
I'm never in the woods without the hilift. Saved my can several times.
Ever try changing broken leaf spring ubolts & pin with a bottle jack?
That said, I agree 100% with your statement below. These periodic
discussions serve well to remind us how improper use or a momentarily
lapse of prudence can be fatal.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Mike Romain wrote:
> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
> gets some education, even me.
>
> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
> be.
>
> Mike
I'm never in the woods without the hilift. Saved my can several times.
Ever try changing broken leaf spring ubolts & pin with a bottle jack?
That said, I agree 100% with your statement below. These periodic
discussions serve well to remind us how improper use or a momentarily
lapse of prudence can be fatal.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Mike Romain wrote:
> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
> gets some education, even me.
>
> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
> be.
>
> Mike
#157
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
Hi Mike,
I'm never in the woods without the hilift. Saved my can several times.
Ever try changing broken leaf spring ubolts & pin with a bottle jack?
That said, I agree 100% with your statement below. These periodic
discussions serve well to remind us how improper use or a momentarily
lapse of prudence can be fatal.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Mike Romain wrote:
> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
> gets some education, even me.
>
> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
> be.
>
> Mike
I'm never in the woods without the hilift. Saved my can several times.
Ever try changing broken leaf spring ubolts & pin with a bottle jack?
That said, I agree 100% with your statement below. These periodic
discussions serve well to remind us how improper use or a momentarily
lapse of prudence can be fatal.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Mike Romain wrote:
> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
> gets some education, even me.
>
> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
> be.
>
> Mike
#158
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:419E541E.34BDC812@sympatico.ca...
> Jerry B says the manual warns of sudden drops when in the up position
> unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
> obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
> them away lots of times too.
>
> This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
> when I got there!
>
> I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
> too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
> the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
>
> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
> gets some education, even me.
>
> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
> be.
>
> Mike
>
I agree with everything you have said relative to the safety of the HiLift
Jack. I just think that it is a useful tool that people should carry and
use, even if they must use it with caution.
Pointing to a guy that did everything possible wrong with his jack does not
point to problems with the jack, it points to problems with the idiot that
is using it. As for dropping loads of less than 100 pounds, I am not sure
that is a fact if the lever is set to be raising the load, it is certainly a
fact when lowering the load. When they are working properly, you should be
able to set the direction lever to raise the load, then pull the handle and
raise the lifting mechanism, and the pins will ratchet as they go over the
holes in the stalk. The lift will easily drop, sometimes drop unexpectedly,
when the lever is set to lower the load but there is no load on the jack.
When this happens, the lift could easily hit a foot and cause some serious
pain. By the time the load weighs less than 100 pounds on the lift, it is
already on the ground, so the falling load ought not be a problem in this
case. Having said that, the load will never fall, unless the jack tips over,
if the selector lever is set to raise the load. Another safety, for lack of
a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
the raised position. When the handle is raised, the pins are inserted into
at least one hole, and if the handle can be locked in that position, it will
not flail about and destroy everything within reach. HiLift supplies a
wire-clamp that is supposed to hold the handle up when the load is raised.
The operator is supposed to use the handle to raise his load, then leave the
handle raised so that the wire-clamp is secured to the stalk of the jack. I
am not sure, but I think that many people might take the wire clamp off
thinking it serves no purpose. My clamp is damaged and I do not rely on it,
so if I must leave my Jeep on the jack for any reason, I use a bungie cord
or even some tape to hold the jack handle raised - this locks the lift
mechanism in place until somebody comes along and lowers the handle. If the
handle falls from this position on its own, that is when the handle will
flail about wildly and harm everybody and everything within its reach.
Whenever I take my HiLift off of its rack, I also pull out my can of WD40
and spray the moving parts and fully exercise those parts before I try to
use the jack. I have learned over the years that the pins can stick, mostly
due to what I do to my jack for months on end between uses. My jack suffers
through mud and water, then more water from washing the mud off, and I
expect it to get sticky. WD40 returns it to serviceable condition in a
matter of seconds, and when I take of on a planned trip, I will even do a PM
service to my jack while I am still at home.
I am not here to sell HiLifts, but as dangerous as they are, they have a
place on the back of just about any Jeep. They can be a valuable tool
despite the dangers they present.
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > His jack is broken.
> >
> > A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is
set to
> > the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS
engaged
> > in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins
is
> > ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly, and
> > cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
> >
> > The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised
very
> > high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall. When
> > this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
> >
> > Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly
rock
> > crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is going
to
> > drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never intended
to
> > be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period. Using
a
> > HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we
arer
> > already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The only
> > application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or
stumps,
> > where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a
tire
> > so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times
lifted my
> > Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone back
to
> > get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
> > another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a HiLift
is
> > dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
> > > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
> > > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost
took
> > > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
> > >
> > > Who needs em?
> > >
> > > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was
never
> > > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > JimG wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
> > > >
> > > > JimG
> > > >
> > > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
> > > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set
to
> > the
> > > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the
handle
> > will
> > > > not
> > > > > run away.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
> > > > >...
> > > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will
go
> > > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Really!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
#159
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:419E541E.34BDC812@sympatico.ca...
> Jerry B says the manual warns of sudden drops when in the up position
> unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
> obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
> them away lots of times too.
>
> This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
> when I got there!
>
> I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
> too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
> the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
>
> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
> gets some education, even me.
>
> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
> be.
>
> Mike
>
I agree with everything you have said relative to the safety of the HiLift
Jack. I just think that it is a useful tool that people should carry and
use, even if they must use it with caution.
Pointing to a guy that did everything possible wrong with his jack does not
point to problems with the jack, it points to problems with the idiot that
is using it. As for dropping loads of less than 100 pounds, I am not sure
that is a fact if the lever is set to be raising the load, it is certainly a
fact when lowering the load. When they are working properly, you should be
able to set the direction lever to raise the load, then pull the handle and
raise the lifting mechanism, and the pins will ratchet as they go over the
holes in the stalk. The lift will easily drop, sometimes drop unexpectedly,
when the lever is set to lower the load but there is no load on the jack.
When this happens, the lift could easily hit a foot and cause some serious
pain. By the time the load weighs less than 100 pounds on the lift, it is
already on the ground, so the falling load ought not be a problem in this
case. Having said that, the load will never fall, unless the jack tips over,
if the selector lever is set to raise the load. Another safety, for lack of
a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
the raised position. When the handle is raised, the pins are inserted into
at least one hole, and if the handle can be locked in that position, it will
not flail about and destroy everything within reach. HiLift supplies a
wire-clamp that is supposed to hold the handle up when the load is raised.
The operator is supposed to use the handle to raise his load, then leave the
handle raised so that the wire-clamp is secured to the stalk of the jack. I
am not sure, but I think that many people might take the wire clamp off
thinking it serves no purpose. My clamp is damaged and I do not rely on it,
so if I must leave my Jeep on the jack for any reason, I use a bungie cord
or even some tape to hold the jack handle raised - this locks the lift
mechanism in place until somebody comes along and lowers the handle. If the
handle falls from this position on its own, that is when the handle will
flail about wildly and harm everybody and everything within its reach.
Whenever I take my HiLift off of its rack, I also pull out my can of WD40
and spray the moving parts and fully exercise those parts before I try to
use the jack. I have learned over the years that the pins can stick, mostly
due to what I do to my jack for months on end between uses. My jack suffers
through mud and water, then more water from washing the mud off, and I
expect it to get sticky. WD40 returns it to serviceable condition in a
matter of seconds, and when I take of on a planned trip, I will even do a PM
service to my jack while I am still at home.
I am not here to sell HiLifts, but as dangerous as they are, they have a
place on the back of just about any Jeep. They can be a valuable tool
despite the dangers they present.
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > His jack is broken.
> >
> > A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is
set to
> > the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS
engaged
> > in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins
is
> > ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly, and
> > cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
> >
> > The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised
very
> > high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall. When
> > this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
> >
> > Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly
rock
> > crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is going
to
> > drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never intended
to
> > be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period. Using
a
> > HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we
arer
> > already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The only
> > application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or
stumps,
> > where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a
tire
> > so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times
lifted my
> > Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone back
to
> > get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
> > another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a HiLift
is
> > dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
> > > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
> > > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost
took
> > > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
> > >
> > > Who needs em?
> > >
> > > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was
never
> > > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > JimG wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
> > > >
> > > > JimG
> > > >
> > > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
> > > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set
to
> > the
> > > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the
handle
> > will
> > > > not
> > > > > run away.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
> > > > >...
> > > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will
go
> > > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Really!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
#160
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Highlift jack
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:419E541E.34BDC812@sympatico.ca...
> Jerry B says the manual warns of sudden drops when in the up position
> unless it has more than 100 lb on it. My buddy didn't read the book
> obviously. I have seen them just drop when trying to set them up or put
> them away lots of times too.
>
> This one guy was trying to change a front axle using only a High Lift
> when I got there!
>
> I will never lighten up about those jacks, sorry Jeff. I just have seen
> too many people like my buddy and even you it would seem that don't read
> the book or take lessons on the use of the thing.
>
> By pointing out my reasons for disliking them, a good discussion
> normally occurs on a lot of 'do's and don'ts' about them so everyone
> gets some education, even me.
>
> I think folks deserve to know the 'worst' part about something as well
> as hearing about how 'wonderful' and 'useful' such a dangerous 'toy' can
> be.
>
> Mike
>
I agree with everything you have said relative to the safety of the HiLift
Jack. I just think that it is a useful tool that people should carry and
use, even if they must use it with caution.
Pointing to a guy that did everything possible wrong with his jack does not
point to problems with the jack, it points to problems with the idiot that
is using it. As for dropping loads of less than 100 pounds, I am not sure
that is a fact if the lever is set to be raising the load, it is certainly a
fact when lowering the load. When they are working properly, you should be
able to set the direction lever to raise the load, then pull the handle and
raise the lifting mechanism, and the pins will ratchet as they go over the
holes in the stalk. The lift will easily drop, sometimes drop unexpectedly,
when the lever is set to lower the load but there is no load on the jack.
When this happens, the lift could easily hit a foot and cause some serious
pain. By the time the load weighs less than 100 pounds on the lift, it is
already on the ground, so the falling load ought not be a problem in this
case. Having said that, the load will never fall, unless the jack tips over,
if the selector lever is set to raise the load. Another safety, for lack of
a better word, first action that a user can employ is to tie the handle in
the raised position. When the handle is raised, the pins are inserted into
at least one hole, and if the handle can be locked in that position, it will
not flail about and destroy everything within reach. HiLift supplies a
wire-clamp that is supposed to hold the handle up when the load is raised.
The operator is supposed to use the handle to raise his load, then leave the
handle raised so that the wire-clamp is secured to the stalk of the jack. I
am not sure, but I think that many people might take the wire clamp off
thinking it serves no purpose. My clamp is damaged and I do not rely on it,
so if I must leave my Jeep on the jack for any reason, I use a bungie cord
or even some tape to hold the jack handle raised - this locks the lift
mechanism in place until somebody comes along and lowers the handle. If the
handle falls from this position on its own, that is when the handle will
flail about wildly and harm everybody and everything within its reach.
Whenever I take my HiLift off of its rack, I also pull out my can of WD40
and spray the moving parts and fully exercise those parts before I try to
use the jack. I have learned over the years that the pins can stick, mostly
due to what I do to my jack for months on end between uses. My jack suffers
through mud and water, then more water from washing the mud off, and I
expect it to get sticky. WD40 returns it to serviceable condition in a
matter of seconds, and when I take of on a planned trip, I will even do a PM
service to my jack while I am still at home.
I am not here to sell HiLifts, but as dangerous as they are, they have a
place on the back of just about any Jeep. They can be a valuable tool
despite the dangers they present.
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > His jack is broken.
> >
> > A properly working HiLift will never drop its load if the selector is
set to
> > the Raised position. There are two pins, and one of them is ALWAYS
engaged
> > in a hole when raising a load, while lowering the load, one of the pins
is
> > ALWAYS out of a hole, and this means the load can drop unexpectedly, and
> > cause the handle to flail away at everything within its reach.
> >
> > The biggest danger of a HiLift is the load will shift when it is raised
very
> > high, and this shift can - and often does - cause the load to fall. When
> > this happens, the jack falls over, the lifting mechanism does not drop.
> >
> > Personally, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Jeeping, particularly
rock
> > crawling, is a dangerous activity right out of the gate. If one is going
to
> > drive a vehicle at extreme angles and over stuff that was never intended
to
> > be driven over, then one is engaged in dangerous activity. Period. Using
a
> > HiLift is certainly a dangerous activity, no question about it but we
arer
> > already spending the entire weekend doing dangerous activities. The only
> > application for a HiLift is to get a vehicle unstuck from rocks or
stumps,
> > where the vehicle needs to be lifted so something can be placed under a
tire
> > so the vehicle can proceed under its own power. I have often times
lifted my
> > Jeep on the HiLift, then slowly driven off of the HiLift, then gone back
to
> > get my jack. All I needed was to shift the weight from one corner to
> > another, and the HiLift was the perfect tool for the goal. Yes, a HiLift
is
> > dangerous, but most offroading is dangerous.
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:419D3674.5E35AE95@sympatico.ca...
> > > Another friend a couple months ago found out 'his' highlift will just
> > > 'drop' to the ground if bumped right when in the 'up' mode. Almost
took
> > > his finger off when he was trying to reset it 'up' for storage.
> > >
> > > Who needs em?
> > >
> > > Some fool farmer got a Jeep and used that sucker for things it was
never
> > > designed for and everyone followed him like a heard of sheep.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > JimG wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Exactly! Mike flunked Hi-Lift 101, you passed Jeff.
> > > >
> > > > JimG
> > > >
> > > > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message ...
> > > > > Mike is completely correct here, but the selector needs to be set
to
> > the
> > > > > Lowering position. If the jack is set to raise the load, the
handle
> > will
> > > > not
> > > > > run away.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" wrote in message
> > > > >...
> > > > > > You just flunked 'highlift 101'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you bump the damn thing slightly when up the handle can/will
go
> > > > > > ballistic all by it's self!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Really!
> > > > > >
> > > > >