Hi-Lift Jack Thread
#31
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Re: Hi-Lift Jack Thread
Eric wrote:
> Like everyone else said, the hilift shouldn't be used to change tires. That
> isn't its intedend use. I have 33's and a 4" lift and I'm fairly certain my
> stock bottle jack will still assist me in changing a tire.
It works great on my 35" tires and it even works on 37" tires. :)
Jerry
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> Like everyone else said, the hilift shouldn't be used to change tires. That
> isn't its intedend use. I have 33's and a 4" lift and I'm fairly certain my
> stock bottle jack will still assist me in changing a tire.
It works great on my 35" tires and it even works on 37" tires. :)
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#32
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Re: Hi-Lift Jack Thread
Let me say, though, of all the stories of when someone was using the hilift
as it was intended, but was maimed/killed/almost xxx, it seems there were
extra circumstances. 1) The most common is: I was distracted.. or I took my
hand off the handle for just a minute... or I turned to do this... seems to
me if they had been focused on the task at hand and handling the jack, that
wouldn't have happened. 2) The condition of the jack was never clear. Was
it mounted on the outside of the vehicle and exposed to the elements all the
time? Was it really old? and 3) How experienced was the user?
You can bet I won't take my eyes/hands/focus off the jack for a second while
I'm using it. If I am in a situation that I had to, then I'll wait for
someone else to handle what would require my attention. I also will only
mount my jack inside the cab (behind the rollbars). That will keep the
elements off it. If I'm going to have the top down, I'll put it in a bag.
Also, I can guarantee I won't use this without learning how to use it
properly first. I'll definitely get some experienced people to give me a
hand if/when I use it the first couple of times.
Ok, I'm off my soapbox now... ;-)
HAPPY HO-HO TO EVERYONE!!!
Eric
99 TJ SE
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
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>> Like everyone else said, the hilift shouldn't be used to change tires.
>> That isn't its intedend use. I have 33's and a 4" lift and I'm fairly
>> certain my stock bottle jack will still assist me in changing a tire.
>>
>> Eric
>> 99 TJ SE
>
> Thanx for the input, guess I'll dig around the garage. I'm sure I have an
> old
> scissor & a couple good size bottle jacks out there.
>
> L8r - George
>
>
as it was intended, but was maimed/killed/almost xxx, it seems there were
extra circumstances. 1) The most common is: I was distracted.. or I took my
hand off the handle for just a minute... or I turned to do this... seems to
me if they had been focused on the task at hand and handling the jack, that
wouldn't have happened. 2) The condition of the jack was never clear. Was
it mounted on the outside of the vehicle and exposed to the elements all the
time? Was it really old? and 3) How experienced was the user?
You can bet I won't take my eyes/hands/focus off the jack for a second while
I'm using it. If I am in a situation that I had to, then I'll wait for
someone else to handle what would require my attention. I also will only
mount my jack inside the cab (behind the rollbars). That will keep the
elements off it. If I'm going to have the top down, I'll put it in a bag.
Also, I can guarantee I won't use this without learning how to use it
properly first. I'll definitely get some experienced people to give me a
hand if/when I use it the first couple of times.
Ok, I'm off my soapbox now... ;-)
HAPPY HO-HO TO EVERYONE!!!
Eric
99 TJ SE
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:uv%yd.4677$3v5.3617@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>> Like everyone else said, the hilift shouldn't be used to change tires.
>> That isn't its intedend use. I have 33's and a 4" lift and I'm fairly
>> certain my stock bottle jack will still assist me in changing a tire.
>>
>> Eric
>> 99 TJ SE
>
> Thanx for the input, guess I'll dig around the garage. I'm sure I have an
> old
> scissor & a couple good size bottle jacks out there.
>
> L8r - George
>
>
#33
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Re: Hi-Lift Jack Thread
Let me say, though, of all the stories of when someone was using the hilift
as it was intended, but was maimed/killed/almost xxx, it seems there were
extra circumstances. 1) The most common is: I was distracted.. or I took my
hand off the handle for just a minute... or I turned to do this... seems to
me if they had been focused on the task at hand and handling the jack, that
wouldn't have happened. 2) The condition of the jack was never clear. Was
it mounted on the outside of the vehicle and exposed to the elements all the
time? Was it really old? and 3) How experienced was the user?
You can bet I won't take my eyes/hands/focus off the jack for a second while
I'm using it. If I am in a situation that I had to, then I'll wait for
someone else to handle what would require my attention. I also will only
mount my jack inside the cab (behind the rollbars). That will keep the
elements off it. If I'm going to have the top down, I'll put it in a bag.
Also, I can guarantee I won't use this without learning how to use it
properly first. I'll definitely get some experienced people to give me a
hand if/when I use it the first couple of times.
Ok, I'm off my soapbox now... ;-)
HAPPY HO-HO TO EVERYONE!!!
Eric
99 TJ SE
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5_GdnXNBObTlOFHcRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:uv%yd.4677$3v5.3617@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>> Like everyone else said, the hilift shouldn't be used to change tires.
>> That isn't its intedend use. I have 33's and a 4" lift and I'm fairly
>> certain my stock bottle jack will still assist me in changing a tire.
>>
>> Eric
>> 99 TJ SE
>
> Thanx for the input, guess I'll dig around the garage. I'm sure I have an
> old
> scissor & a couple good size bottle jacks out there.
>
> L8r - George
>
>
as it was intended, but was maimed/killed/almost xxx, it seems there were
extra circumstances. 1) The most common is: I was distracted.. or I took my
hand off the handle for just a minute... or I turned to do this... seems to
me if they had been focused on the task at hand and handling the jack, that
wouldn't have happened. 2) The condition of the jack was never clear. Was
it mounted on the outside of the vehicle and exposed to the elements all the
time? Was it really old? and 3) How experienced was the user?
You can bet I won't take my eyes/hands/focus off the jack for a second while
I'm using it. If I am in a situation that I had to, then I'll wait for
someone else to handle what would require my attention. I also will only
mount my jack inside the cab (behind the rollbars). That will keep the
elements off it. If I'm going to have the top down, I'll put it in a bag.
Also, I can guarantee I won't use this without learning how to use it
properly first. I'll definitely get some experienced people to give me a
hand if/when I use it the first couple of times.
Ok, I'm off my soapbox now... ;-)
HAPPY HO-HO TO EVERYONE!!!
Eric
99 TJ SE
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:uv%yd.4677$3v5.3617@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>> Like everyone else said, the hilift shouldn't be used to change tires.
>> That isn't its intedend use. I have 33's and a 4" lift and I'm fairly
>> certain my stock bottle jack will still assist me in changing a tire.
>>
>> Eric
>> 99 TJ SE
>
> Thanx for the input, guess I'll dig around the garage. I'm sure I have an
> old
> scissor & a couple good size bottle jacks out there.
>
> L8r - George
>
>
#34
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Re: Hi-Lift Jack Thread
Let me say, though, of all the stories of when someone was using the hilift
as it was intended, but was maimed/killed/almost xxx, it seems there were
extra circumstances. 1) The most common is: I was distracted.. or I took my
hand off the handle for just a minute... or I turned to do this... seems to
me if they had been focused on the task at hand and handling the jack, that
wouldn't have happened. 2) The condition of the jack was never clear. Was
it mounted on the outside of the vehicle and exposed to the elements all the
time? Was it really old? and 3) How experienced was the user?
You can bet I won't take my eyes/hands/focus off the jack for a second while
I'm using it. If I am in a situation that I had to, then I'll wait for
someone else to handle what would require my attention. I also will only
mount my jack inside the cab (behind the rollbars). That will keep the
elements off it. If I'm going to have the top down, I'll put it in a bag.
Also, I can guarantee I won't use this without learning how to use it
properly first. I'll definitely get some experienced people to give me a
hand if/when I use it the first couple of times.
Ok, I'm off my soapbox now... ;-)
HAPPY HO-HO TO EVERYONE!!!
Eric
99 TJ SE
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5_GdnXNBObTlOFHcRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:uv%yd.4677$3v5.3617@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>> Like everyone else said, the hilift shouldn't be used to change tires.
>> That isn't its intedend use. I have 33's and a 4" lift and I'm fairly
>> certain my stock bottle jack will still assist me in changing a tire.
>>
>> Eric
>> 99 TJ SE
>
> Thanx for the input, guess I'll dig around the garage. I'm sure I have an
> old
> scissor & a couple good size bottle jacks out there.
>
> L8r - George
>
>
as it was intended, but was maimed/killed/almost xxx, it seems there were
extra circumstances. 1) The most common is: I was distracted.. or I took my
hand off the handle for just a minute... or I turned to do this... seems to
me if they had been focused on the task at hand and handling the jack, that
wouldn't have happened. 2) The condition of the jack was never clear. Was
it mounted on the outside of the vehicle and exposed to the elements all the
time? Was it really old? and 3) How experienced was the user?
You can bet I won't take my eyes/hands/focus off the jack for a second while
I'm using it. If I am in a situation that I had to, then I'll wait for
someone else to handle what would require my attention. I also will only
mount my jack inside the cab (behind the rollbars). That will keep the
elements off it. If I'm going to have the top down, I'll put it in a bag.
Also, I can guarantee I won't use this without learning how to use it
properly first. I'll definitely get some experienced people to give me a
hand if/when I use it the first couple of times.
Ok, I'm off my soapbox now... ;-)
HAPPY HO-HO TO EVERYONE!!!
Eric
99 TJ SE
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:uv%yd.4677$3v5.3617@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>> Like everyone else said, the hilift shouldn't be used to change tires.
>> That isn't its intedend use. I have 33's and a 4" lift and I'm fairly
>> certain my stock bottle jack will still assist me in changing a tire.
>>
>> Eric
>> 99 TJ SE
>
> Thanx for the input, guess I'll dig around the garage. I'm sure I have an
> old
> scissor & a couple good size bottle jacks out there.
>
> L8r - George
>
>
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Easy to say but there's no gaurantee of this. Say you've lifted the Jeep and
are focusing intently on the operation. Your Jeep is in a precarious
situation on the rocks and the strain on the suspension causes one of the
springs to break ...or even just to make a loud & sudden noise ...your body
will reflexively not only look but your hands and body will probably move
somewhat. Now your attention is diverted and you may have momentarily let go
of the Jack in the middle of a crank ...
Even taking that situation a little furthur ...if a spring or something did
break and the Jeep shifted, that could cause just as much of a problem (if
not worse) and wouldn't be the operators fault at all. However you look at
it, the Hilift is a potentially very dangerous tool and the operator and all
bystanders should be well aware of these risks and not assume for a second
that they are 100% safe.
> You can bet I won't take my eyes/hands/focus off the jack for a second
while
> I'm using it.
are focusing intently on the operation. Your Jeep is in a precarious
situation on the rocks and the strain on the suspension causes one of the
springs to break ...or even just to make a loud & sudden noise ...your body
will reflexively not only look but your hands and body will probably move
somewhat. Now your attention is diverted and you may have momentarily let go
of the Jack in the middle of a crank ...
Even taking that situation a little furthur ...if a spring or something did
break and the Jeep shifted, that could cause just as much of a problem (if
not worse) and wouldn't be the operators fault at all. However you look at
it, the Hilift is a potentially very dangerous tool and the operator and all
bystanders should be well aware of these risks and not assume for a second
that they are 100% safe.
> You can bet I won't take my eyes/hands/focus off the jack for a second
while
> I'm using it.
#36
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Re: Hi-Lift Jack Thread
Easy to say but there's no gaurantee of this. Say you've lifted the Jeep and
are focusing intently on the operation. Your Jeep is in a precarious
situation on the rocks and the strain on the suspension causes one of the
springs to break ...or even just to make a loud & sudden noise ...your body
will reflexively not only look but your hands and body will probably move
somewhat. Now your attention is diverted and you may have momentarily let go
of the Jack in the middle of a crank ...
Even taking that situation a little furthur ...if a spring or something did
break and the Jeep shifted, that could cause just as much of a problem (if
not worse) and wouldn't be the operators fault at all. However you look at
it, the Hilift is a potentially very dangerous tool and the operator and all
bystanders should be well aware of these risks and not assume for a second
that they are 100% safe.
> You can bet I won't take my eyes/hands/focus off the jack for a second
while
> I'm using it.
are focusing intently on the operation. Your Jeep is in a precarious
situation on the rocks and the strain on the suspension causes one of the
springs to break ...or even just to make a loud & sudden noise ...your body
will reflexively not only look but your hands and body will probably move
somewhat. Now your attention is diverted and you may have momentarily let go
of the Jack in the middle of a crank ...
Even taking that situation a little furthur ...if a spring or something did
break and the Jeep shifted, that could cause just as much of a problem (if
not worse) and wouldn't be the operators fault at all. However you look at
it, the Hilift is a potentially very dangerous tool and the operator and all
bystanders should be well aware of these risks and not assume for a second
that they are 100% safe.
> You can bet I won't take my eyes/hands/focus off the jack for a second
while
> I'm using it.
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Re: Hi-Lift Jack Thread
Easy to say but there's no gaurantee of this. Say you've lifted the Jeep and
are focusing intently on the operation. Your Jeep is in a precarious
situation on the rocks and the strain on the suspension causes one of the
springs to break ...or even just to make a loud & sudden noise ...your body
will reflexively not only look but your hands and body will probably move
somewhat. Now your attention is diverted and you may have momentarily let go
of the Jack in the middle of a crank ...
Even taking that situation a little furthur ...if a spring or something did
break and the Jeep shifted, that could cause just as much of a problem (if
not worse) and wouldn't be the operators fault at all. However you look at
it, the Hilift is a potentially very dangerous tool and the operator and all
bystanders should be well aware of these risks and not assume for a second
that they are 100% safe.
> You can bet I won't take my eyes/hands/focus off the jack for a second
while
> I'm using it.
are focusing intently on the operation. Your Jeep is in a precarious
situation on the rocks and the strain on the suspension causes one of the
springs to break ...or even just to make a loud & sudden noise ...your body
will reflexively not only look but your hands and body will probably move
somewhat. Now your attention is diverted and you may have momentarily let go
of the Jack in the middle of a crank ...
Even taking that situation a little furthur ...if a spring or something did
break and the Jeep shifted, that could cause just as much of a problem (if
not worse) and wouldn't be the operators fault at all. However you look at
it, the Hilift is a potentially very dangerous tool and the operator and all
bystanders should be well aware of these risks and not assume for a second
that they are 100% safe.
> You can bet I won't take my eyes/hands/focus off the jack for a second
while
> I'm using it.
#38
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Re: Hi-Lift Jack Thread
Ya know come to think, I'm old enough to remember when that was the (standard)
type of jack that came with all cars & trucks & they did the job but I also remember
wondering if the thing was going to go flying or slip out from under the car. Also it's
real easy to get caught up in the moment while changing a flat (or getting yourself
outa a swamp-hole which may just be the case down here in Florida) but you do get
caught up & find your self doing things that you wouldn't normally do. To get my Jeep's
blowout changed the other day we did a couple things that weren't very safe & I remember
that I even commented that "I was sure OSHA wouldn't approve of this." But when
your on the side of the road & traffic is flying by & your half on the road, half off or close
to a ditch, sand all over & pieces of tires, nut, bolts, broken bottles, beer cans & other
assorted roadside trash you're not thinking safety so much as you might be thinking
what's the quickest way to get this tire changed & get the hell outa here. I guess
there's always AAA..........................
Happy Holidays Ya'll - George
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:HC1zd.2588$Q%4.1613@fed1read06...
> Eric wrote:
>> Like everyone else said, the hilift shouldn't be used to change tires. That isn't its intedend
>> use. I have 33's and a 4" lift and I'm fairly certain my stock bottle jack will still assist me
>> in changing a tire.
>
> It works great on my 35" tires and it even works on 37" tires. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
type of jack that came with all cars & trucks & they did the job but I also remember
wondering if the thing was going to go flying or slip out from under the car. Also it's
real easy to get caught up in the moment while changing a flat (or getting yourself
outa a swamp-hole which may just be the case down here in Florida) but you do get
caught up & find your self doing things that you wouldn't normally do. To get my Jeep's
blowout changed the other day we did a couple things that weren't very safe & I remember
that I even commented that "I was sure OSHA wouldn't approve of this." But when
your on the side of the road & traffic is flying by & your half on the road, half off or close
to a ditch, sand all over & pieces of tires, nut, bolts, broken bottles, beer cans & other
assorted roadside trash you're not thinking safety so much as you might be thinking
what's the quickest way to get this tire changed & get the hell outa here. I guess
there's always AAA..........................
Happy Holidays Ya'll - George
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:HC1zd.2588$Q%4.1613@fed1read06...
> Eric wrote:
>> Like everyone else said, the hilift shouldn't be used to change tires. That isn't its intedend
>> use. I have 33's and a 4" lift and I'm fairly certain my stock bottle jack will still assist me
>> in changing a tire.
>
> It works great on my 35" tires and it even works on 37" tires. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#39
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Re: Hi-Lift Jack Thread
Ya know come to think, I'm old enough to remember when that was the (standard)
type of jack that came with all cars & trucks & they did the job but I also remember
wondering if the thing was going to go flying or slip out from under the car. Also it's
real easy to get caught up in the moment while changing a flat (or getting yourself
outa a swamp-hole which may just be the case down here in Florida) but you do get
caught up & find your self doing things that you wouldn't normally do. To get my Jeep's
blowout changed the other day we did a couple things that weren't very safe & I remember
that I even commented that "I was sure OSHA wouldn't approve of this." But when
your on the side of the road & traffic is flying by & your half on the road, half off or close
to a ditch, sand all over & pieces of tires, nut, bolts, broken bottles, beer cans & other
assorted roadside trash you're not thinking safety so much as you might be thinking
what's the quickest way to get this tire changed & get the hell outa here. I guess
there's always AAA..........................
Happy Holidays Ya'll - George
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:HC1zd.2588$Q%4.1613@fed1read06...
> Eric wrote:
>> Like everyone else said, the hilift shouldn't be used to change tires. That isn't its intedend
>> use. I have 33's and a 4" lift and I'm fairly certain my stock bottle jack will still assist me
>> in changing a tire.
>
> It works great on my 35" tires and it even works on 37" tires. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
type of jack that came with all cars & trucks & they did the job but I also remember
wondering if the thing was going to go flying or slip out from under the car. Also it's
real easy to get caught up in the moment while changing a flat (or getting yourself
outa a swamp-hole which may just be the case down here in Florida) but you do get
caught up & find your self doing things that you wouldn't normally do. To get my Jeep's
blowout changed the other day we did a couple things that weren't very safe & I remember
that I even commented that "I was sure OSHA wouldn't approve of this." But when
your on the side of the road & traffic is flying by & your half on the road, half off or close
to a ditch, sand all over & pieces of tires, nut, bolts, broken bottles, beer cans & other
assorted roadside trash you're not thinking safety so much as you might be thinking
what's the quickest way to get this tire changed & get the hell outa here. I guess
there's always AAA..........................
Happy Holidays Ya'll - George
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:HC1zd.2588$Q%4.1613@fed1read06...
> Eric wrote:
>> Like everyone else said, the hilift shouldn't be used to change tires. That isn't its intedend
>> use. I have 33's and a 4" lift and I'm fairly certain my stock bottle jack will still assist me
>> in changing a tire.
>
> It works great on my 35" tires and it even works on 37" tires. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#40
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Re: Hi-Lift Jack Thread
Ya know come to think, I'm old enough to remember when that was the (standard)
type of jack that came with all cars & trucks & they did the job but I also remember
wondering if the thing was going to go flying or slip out from under the car. Also it's
real easy to get caught up in the moment while changing a flat (or getting yourself
outa a swamp-hole which may just be the case down here in Florida) but you do get
caught up & find your self doing things that you wouldn't normally do. To get my Jeep's
blowout changed the other day we did a couple things that weren't very safe & I remember
that I even commented that "I was sure OSHA wouldn't approve of this." But when
your on the side of the road & traffic is flying by & your half on the road, half off or close
to a ditch, sand all over & pieces of tires, nut, bolts, broken bottles, beer cans & other
assorted roadside trash you're not thinking safety so much as you might be thinking
what's the quickest way to get this tire changed & get the hell outa here. I guess
there's always AAA..........................
Happy Holidays Ya'll - George
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:HC1zd.2588$Q%4.1613@fed1read06...
> Eric wrote:
>> Like everyone else said, the hilift shouldn't be used to change tires. That isn't its intedend
>> use. I have 33's and a 4" lift and I'm fairly certain my stock bottle jack will still assist me
>> in changing a tire.
>
> It works great on my 35" tires and it even works on 37" tires. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
type of jack that came with all cars & trucks & they did the job but I also remember
wondering if the thing was going to go flying or slip out from under the car. Also it's
real easy to get caught up in the moment while changing a flat (or getting yourself
outa a swamp-hole which may just be the case down here in Florida) but you do get
caught up & find your self doing things that you wouldn't normally do. To get my Jeep's
blowout changed the other day we did a couple things that weren't very safe & I remember
that I even commented that "I was sure OSHA wouldn't approve of this." But when
your on the side of the road & traffic is flying by & your half on the road, half off or close
to a ditch, sand all over & pieces of tires, nut, bolts, broken bottles, beer cans & other
assorted roadside trash you're not thinking safety so much as you might be thinking
what's the quickest way to get this tire changed & get the hell outa here. I guess
there's always AAA..........................
Happy Holidays Ya'll - George
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:HC1zd.2588$Q%4.1613@fed1read06...
> Eric wrote:
>> Like everyone else said, the hilift shouldn't be used to change tires. That isn't its intedend
>> use. I have 33's and a 4" lift and I'm fairly certain my stock bottle jack will still assist me
>> in changing a tire.
>
> It works great on my 35" tires and it even works on 37" tires. :)
>
> Jerry
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