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Re: CJ idle/running problem
He says he managed to get it out but I didn't ask how - though I
should have. Might have made for an interesting story. On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:38:32 GMT, "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote: >just a quick question....where's the other end of hte dipstick?! did it >break off in the engine? Will it get in to the oil pump or anything and do >damage? > > >"Rob" <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote in message >news:nt9ga0159btb1kjjqmkoragvgjmh52nrhv@4ax.com.. . >> >> I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I >> was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids >> and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home. >> >> Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but >> the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it >> he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell >> if its full or not. >> >> Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with >> the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in. >> >> It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay >> running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around >> the intake manifold. >> >> I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what >> damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in >> some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an >> idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal? >> >> Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about >> the CJ and I can't even drive it! >> >> Rob >> > |
Re: CJ idle/running problem
He says he managed to get it out but I didn't ask how - though I
should have. Might have made for an interesting story. On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:38:32 GMT, "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote: >just a quick question....where's the other end of hte dipstick?! did it >break off in the engine? Will it get in to the oil pump or anything and do >damage? > > >"Rob" <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote in message >news:nt9ga0159btb1kjjqmkoragvgjmh52nrhv@4ax.com.. . >> >> I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I >> was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids >> and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home. >> >> Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but >> the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it >> he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell >> if its full or not. >> >> Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with >> the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in. >> >> It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay >> running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around >> the intake manifold. >> >> I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what >> damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in >> some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an >> idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal? >> >> Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about >> the CJ and I can't even drive it! >> >> Rob >> > |
Re: CJ idle/running problem
He says he managed to get it out but I didn't ask how - though I
should have. Might have made for an interesting story. On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:38:32 GMT, "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote: >just a quick question....where's the other end of hte dipstick?! did it >break off in the engine? Will it get in to the oil pump or anything and do >damage? > > >"Rob" <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote in message >news:nt9ga0159btb1kjjqmkoragvgjmh52nrhv@4ax.com.. . >> >> I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I >> was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids >> and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home. >> >> Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but >> the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it >> he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell >> if its full or not. >> >> Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with >> the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in. >> >> It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay >> running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around >> the intake manifold. >> >> I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what >> damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in >> some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an >> idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal? >> >> Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about >> the CJ and I can't even drive it! >> >> Rob >> > |
Re: Help: CJ idle/running problem
"reddish brown"
rust? Rob wrote: > That does sound like a nightmare. > > It's an '83 CJ-7 with the 258 I6. The owner replaced the stock carb > with a Holley carb: > http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...SC/0-8007.html > > I checked the plugs and none were oily, though all looked "well > seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some light in > color, others more reddish brown. > > The motor was rebuilt in '97 about 14k miles ago. > > Thanks again, > > Rob > > > On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:16:11 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > > >>You really don't want the same answer for both.... >> >>Too much oil will hit the crankshaft. The crankshaft then turns the oil >>to foam. The oil pump pumps foam to the bearings. The engine then >>starts slowing down while seizing up from lack of oil. >> >>Or hopefully you can just drain the sucker and put the right amount in >>and that will stop the oil all over the place. >> >>You 'really' need to tell us what 'kind' of engine and the year for us >>to point you to say a common carb fix for no idle, leaky valve cover >>issues with one engine, etc... >> >>Mike >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> >>Rob wrote: >> >>>Guess I really have two questions - first about the over filled oil / >>>blown seal. Second about how to diagnose the suddone failure to keep >>>an idle. >>> >>>Thanks again, >>> >>>Rob >>> >>>On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:55:16 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I >>>>was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids >>>>and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home. >>>> >>>>Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but >>>>the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it >>>>he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell >>>>if its full or not. >>>> >>>>Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with >>>>the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in. >>>> >>>>It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay >>>>running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around >>>>the intake manifold. >>>> >>>>I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what >>>>damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in >>>>some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an >>>>idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal? >>>> >>>>Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about >>>>the CJ and I can't even drive it! >>>> >>>>Rob >>>> > > |
Re: Help: CJ idle/running problem
"reddish brown"
rust? Rob wrote: > That does sound like a nightmare. > > It's an '83 CJ-7 with the 258 I6. The owner replaced the stock carb > with a Holley carb: > http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...SC/0-8007.html > > I checked the plugs and none were oily, though all looked "well > seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some light in > color, others more reddish brown. > > The motor was rebuilt in '97 about 14k miles ago. > > Thanks again, > > Rob > > > On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:16:11 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > > >>You really don't want the same answer for both.... >> >>Too much oil will hit the crankshaft. The crankshaft then turns the oil >>to foam. The oil pump pumps foam to the bearings. The engine then >>starts slowing down while seizing up from lack of oil. >> >>Or hopefully you can just drain the sucker and put the right amount in >>and that will stop the oil all over the place. >> >>You 'really' need to tell us what 'kind' of engine and the year for us >>to point you to say a common carb fix for no idle, leaky valve cover >>issues with one engine, etc... >> >>Mike >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> >>Rob wrote: >> >>>Guess I really have two questions - first about the over filled oil / >>>blown seal. Second about how to diagnose the suddone failure to keep >>>an idle. >>> >>>Thanks again, >>> >>>Rob >>> >>>On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:55:16 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I >>>>was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids >>>>and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home. >>>> >>>>Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but >>>>the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it >>>>he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell >>>>if its full or not. >>>> >>>>Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with >>>>the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in. >>>> >>>>It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay >>>>running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around >>>>the intake manifold. >>>> >>>>I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what >>>>damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in >>>>some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an >>>>idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal? >>>> >>>>Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about >>>>the CJ and I can't even drive it! >>>> >>>>Rob >>>> > > |
Re: Help: CJ idle/running problem
"reddish brown"
rust? Rob wrote: > That does sound like a nightmare. > > It's an '83 CJ-7 with the 258 I6. The owner replaced the stock carb > with a Holley carb: > http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...SC/0-8007.html > > I checked the plugs and none were oily, though all looked "well > seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some light in > color, others more reddish brown. > > The motor was rebuilt in '97 about 14k miles ago. > > Thanks again, > > Rob > > > On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:16:11 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > > >>You really don't want the same answer for both.... >> >>Too much oil will hit the crankshaft. The crankshaft then turns the oil >>to foam. The oil pump pumps foam to the bearings. The engine then >>starts slowing down while seizing up from lack of oil. >> >>Or hopefully you can just drain the sucker and put the right amount in >>and that will stop the oil all over the place. >> >>You 'really' need to tell us what 'kind' of engine and the year for us >>to point you to say a common carb fix for no idle, leaky valve cover >>issues with one engine, etc... >> >>Mike >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> >>Rob wrote: >> >>>Guess I really have two questions - first about the over filled oil / >>>blown seal. Second about how to diagnose the suddone failure to keep >>>an idle. >>> >>>Thanks again, >>> >>>Rob >>> >>>On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:55:16 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I >>>>was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids >>>>and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home. >>>> >>>>Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but >>>>the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it >>>>he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell >>>>if its full or not. >>>> >>>>Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with >>>>the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in. >>>> >>>>It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay >>>>running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around >>>>the intake manifold. >>>> >>>>I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what >>>>damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in >>>>some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an >>>>idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal? >>>> >>>>Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about >>>>the CJ and I can't even drive it! >>>> >>>>Rob >>>> > > |
Re: Help: CJ idle/running problem
"reddish brown"
rust? Rob wrote: > That does sound like a nightmare. > > It's an '83 CJ-7 with the 258 I6. The owner replaced the stock carb > with a Holley carb: > http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...SC/0-8007.html > > I checked the plugs and none were oily, though all looked "well > seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some light in > color, others more reddish brown. > > The motor was rebuilt in '97 about 14k miles ago. > > Thanks again, > > Rob > > > On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:16:11 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > > >>You really don't want the same answer for both.... >> >>Too much oil will hit the crankshaft. The crankshaft then turns the oil >>to foam. The oil pump pumps foam to the bearings. The engine then >>starts slowing down while seizing up from lack of oil. >> >>Or hopefully you can just drain the sucker and put the right amount in >>and that will stop the oil all over the place. >> >>You 'really' need to tell us what 'kind' of engine and the year for us >>to point you to say a common carb fix for no idle, leaky valve cover >>issues with one engine, etc... >> >>Mike >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> >>Rob wrote: >> >>>Guess I really have two questions - first about the over filled oil / >>>blown seal. Second about how to diagnose the suddone failure to keep >>>an idle. >>> >>>Thanks again, >>> >>>Rob >>> >>>On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:55:16 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I >>>>was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids >>>>and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home. >>>> >>>>Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but >>>>the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it >>>>he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell >>>>if its full or not. >>>> >>>>Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with >>>>the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in. >>>> >>>>It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay >>>>running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around >>>>the intake manifold. >>>> >>>>I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what >>>>damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in >>>>some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an >>>>idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal? >>>> >>>>Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about >>>>the CJ and I can't even drive it! >>>> >>>>Rob >>>> > > |
Re: Help: CJ idle/running problem
Jo did pass the time by typing:
> "reddish brown" > rust? MMT / gasoline additives will make plugs that color and it's normal. > Rob wrote: > >> That does sound like a nightmare. >> >> It's an '83 CJ-7 with the 258 I6. The owner replaced the stock carb >> with a Holley carb: >> http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...SC/0-8007.html >> >> I checked the plugs and none were oily, though all looked "well >> seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some light in >> color, others more reddish brown. >> >> The motor was rebuilt in '97 about 14k miles ago. |
Re: Help: CJ idle/running problem
Jo did pass the time by typing:
> "reddish brown" > rust? MMT / gasoline additives will make plugs that color and it's normal. > Rob wrote: > >> That does sound like a nightmare. >> >> It's an '83 CJ-7 with the 258 I6. The owner replaced the stock carb >> with a Holley carb: >> http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...SC/0-8007.html >> >> I checked the plugs and none were oily, though all looked "well >> seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some light in >> color, others more reddish brown. >> >> The motor was rebuilt in '97 about 14k miles ago. |
Re: Help: CJ idle/running problem
Jo did pass the time by typing:
> "reddish brown" > rust? MMT / gasoline additives will make plugs that color and it's normal. > Rob wrote: > >> That does sound like a nightmare. >> >> It's an '83 CJ-7 with the 258 I6. The owner replaced the stock carb >> with a Holley carb: >> http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...SC/0-8007.html >> >> I checked the plugs and none were oily, though all looked "well >> seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some light in >> color, others more reddish brown. >> >> The motor was rebuilt in '97 about 14k miles ago. |
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